so is the thunderbolt a big improvement over the Evo?

[nygiants10]

Just cuirous if it is majorly improved or just a flashy name to sell to verizon customers

 

[jfoey22]

Just cuirous if it is majorly improved or just a flashy name to sell to verizon customers

Are you new to the site? This phone is a major improvement over the EVO. VZW over Sprint, 2nd Gen Snapdragon Processor, Super LCD over LCD. I am there are plenty more others will point out. I would suggest reading as there are many threads asking the same question you just did.

 

[lilbballer27]

Are you new to the site? This phone is a major improvement over the EVO. VZW over Sprint, 2nd Gen Snapdragon Processor, Super LCD over LCD. I am there are plenty more others will point out. I would suggest reading as there are many threads asking the same question you just did.

He does only have 13 posts so i would assume yes he's new lol

 

[Steven58]

er... I'm not new to this site and I have the same question. Of course, since we're nice to newbies and oldbies, we'll take the question seriously, right?

This is a "second gen" snapdragon? That's the first I hear of that. What's the difference. I know this phone will have a bit more ram, but is it really a MAJOR upgrade from the evo?

(btw, sprint is now rated almost as high as vzw by Consumer Reports... go figure.)

 

[madkillr05]

er... I'm not new to this site and I have the same question. Of course, since we're nice to newbies and oldbies, we'll take the question seriously, right?

This is a "second gen" snapdragon? That's the first I hear of that. What's the difference. I know this phone will have a bit more ram, but is it really a MAJOR upgrade from the evo?

"(The Thunderbolt) runs the updated Snapdragon and improvement is stunning. the newer smaller chip improves in heat handling, power consumption and provides much better graphics power then the last iteration." <--- From Black Man X

 

[Steven58]

"(The Thunderbolt) runs the updated Snapdragon and improvement is stunning. the newer smaller chip improves in heat handling, power consumption and provides much better graphics power then the last iteration." <--- From Black Man X

hmm... you got me curious, now, as I do have 4g here.

 

[madkillr05]

EDIT*** Sorry, i ment to say the Samsung Galaxy S, and Nexus S, but the score is 1926, which is only about 100 off of the Bionic, but this is WITHOUT motoblur on the Bionic, when moto skins the Bionic up, the scores will probably fall.
http://blog.suroboy.com/htc-thunderbolt-4g-tested-2x-faster-samsung-galaxy.htm

Sorry For the confusion (and if i was a sales person, i would know the release date and wouldn't have to ask , but i have heard people say the Thunderbolt does get better scores, i just cant find an image to confirm)

 

[Steven58]

The Thunderbolt actually has higher Quadrant Scores than the Bionic Food for thought.

Y'kidding me? Seriously? Me, I'm nauseatedly sick of my DX's locked bootloader and I'm a fan of Sense UI. (Are you a salesman for HtC , or somphin'? )

 

[maddixny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LraU4akIokU&hd=1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCdSyeo6KFY&hd=1

 

[Zaggs]

EDIT*** Sorry, i ment to say the Samsung Galaxy S, and Nexus S, but the score is 1926, which is only about 100 off of the Bionic, but this is WITHOUT motoblur on the Bionic, when moto skins the Bionic up, the scores will probably fall.
HTC Thunderbolt 4G Tested, 2X Faster than Samsung Galaxy S | News, Reviews, Gadget Database

Sorry For the confusion (and if i was a sales person, i would know the release date and wouldn't have to ask , but i have heard people say the Thunderbolt does get better scores, i just cant find an image to confirm)

It would actually be 300 below the Bionic as the Bionic has come in at 2284. Thats without the test even knowing what the processor was and not optimized for dual core operation.
So then the question becomes, outside of high end games will the Bionic be noticeably faster then the Thunderbolt?

Droid Bionic Quadrant results out | AndroidOS.in

 

[sw33ndawg]

hmm... you got me curious, now, as I do have 4g here.

where in jersey do you have 4g? I'm in the Toms River area and am nowhere close to a 4g spot.

 

[dbuschini]

jfoey22 = Nick Burns 'Your Company's Computer Guy' from Saturday Night Live

 

[nkk]

The newer snapdragon has the following benefits:

Much better GPU. The older snapdragon (on the Inc, EVO, etc) ha an inferior GPU. One of the reasons it stayed viable is that all the other processors on the market (ignoring for now tegra--we are looking at ones in phones in the past year) were ARM cortex-A8 chips. The Hummingbird and OMAP are just slightly modified A8's, and thus they performed better than a stock A8. HTC said that they would use the ARMv7 instruction set (the same one all the other processors use), but that they would build their own processing core and call it Scorpion. The Scorpion core is much more optimized than the slightly modified A8 cores, and thus even with the vastly inferior GPU, the first gen snapdragons were real competitors in the SOC market.

Now, with a fairly good GPU, the second gen should fly. And, if the MT4G is any example, it does.

The second gen is also a 45nm process as possed to the 65nm of the first gen. This leads to more transistors per area of space = more processing power. Also, with the decreased printing length comes lower resistance, so each transistor takes less energy to use (this is a simplification--PM me for more scientific explanations).

-Nkk

 

[sean76]

Maybe I'm goin out on a limb here...But the EVO was 2010's Winner for a phone game changer, and was an insanely speedy device. I for one will say that after Froyo came to the EVO it was down right FAST! Now you include a newer Gen SnapDragon into the mix, newer version of sense, Vzw's already proven 3G, and top it all off with 4G...I gotta say, this phone is very desirable! The Bionic to me is not appealing, not with the Atrix out there! seems like Moto and vzw went a lesser route with the Bionic IMO...However, back to the Bolt. Yes, I'd say it is an Improvement to the already very good EVO, and if your into sense, 4"3 screens, and like HTC products, I'd say it's a very worthy competitor to vzw's line up...Yes even when duel core hits vzw soon! Only thing missing is a Super Amoled screen IMO.

 

[madkillr05]

It would actually be 300 below the Bionic as the Bionic has come in at 2284. Thats without the test even knowing what the processor was and not optimized for dual core operation.
So then the question becomes, outside of high end games will the Bionic be noticeably faster then the Thunderbolt?

Droid Bionic Quadrant results out | AndroidOS.in

I actually dont think many apps will be optimized for dual core, thats the thing. it takes more work from devs to make an ap multicore. So i would think that the 3 or 4 more fps in games is the only benefit you would see in real world use. The avg consumer is not going to notice any difference.

 

[pittguy578]

The newer snapdragon has the following benefits:

Much better GPU. The older snapdragon (on the Inc, EVO, etc) ha an inferior GPU. One of the reasons it stayed viable is that all the other processors on the market (ignoring for now tegra--we are looking at ones in phones in the past year) were ARM cortex-A8 chips. The Hummingbird and OMAP are just slightly modified A8's, and thus they performed better than a stock A8. HTC said that they would use the ARMv7 instruction set (the same one all the other processors use), but that they would build their own processing core and call it Scorpion. The Scorpion core is much more optimized than the slightly modified A8 cores, and thus even with the vastly inferior GPU, the first gen snapdragons were real competitors in the SOC market.

Now, with a fairly good GPU, the second gen should fly. And, if the MT4G is any example, it does.

The second gen is also a 45nm process as possed to the 65nm of the first gen. This leads to more transistors per area of space = more processing power. Also, with the decreased printing length comes lower resistance, so each transistor takes less energy to use (this is a simplification--PM me for more scientific explanations).

-Nkk

Going to a smaller manufacturing process does not equal more processing power. It just means it consumes less heat and power.There actually has to be enhancements in the design for it to have more processing power. Look at Intel's line of chips. They have come out with newer versions of the "same" chips-sole difference was the manufacturing process. They did not have more processing power. They were just able to put them into laptops, etc

 

[nkk]

Going to a smaller manufacturing process does not equal more processing power. It just means it consumes less heat and power.There actually has to be enhancements in the design for it to have more processing power. Look at Intel's line of chips. They have come out with newer versions of the "same" chips-sole difference was the manufacturing process. They did not have more processing power. They were just able to put them into laptops, etc

True. However, I was implying that with a smaller size per transistor, Qualcomm would keep the same area and pack more transistors. I am pretty sure that is what they did, but please do correct me if I am mistaken. Also, with it being 2nd gen, I thought it was clear that there were enhancements made (on a random note, more transistors will give more power without any architectural change). Sorry I was not clear about that; I hate to mislead people.

-Nkk

 

[ECFfighter7232]

Y'kidding me? Seriously? Me, I'm nauseatedly sick of my DX's locked bootloader and I'm a fan of Sense UI. (Are you a salesman for HtC , or somphin'? )

Steven thinking of leaving the X?!?!?! Lol well atleast if you go with the bolt ill be familiar with someone else from the X threads

 

[digdug1]

It would actually be 300 below the Bionic as the Bionic has come in at 2284. Thats without the test even knowing what the processor was and not optimized for dual core operation.
So then the question becomes, outside of high end games will the Bionic be noticeably faster then the Thunderbolt?

Droid Bionic Quadrant results out | AndroidOS.in

look at it like this- try this a few weeks after these devices are released. it has been said that the tb will have root hours after release and over clocking soon after.

look how long it took to root the x. the fact is that as fast as technology is advancing the bionic will most likely be outdated before it gets rooted let alone overclocked.

this new snapdragon will scorch the bionic upon root and will for most likely the entire length of my one year contract.