Leadership fail?

[Crude]

64 Senators Declare Obama AWOL On Deficit, Entitlements


I'm not sure this is what he had in mind when he advocated bi-partisanship.

 

[Dark Jedi]

Are we shocked at all by obama handling of things. He prob thought I serve 4 years. make appearances and give world leaders Ipods of his favorite songs. Be on vacation most of the time. Get former presidents to push his ideas. Yeah not surprising at all.

 

[ElasticNinja]

the deficit reduction looks like a joke to me anyway

 

[RiverOfIce]

I really have to ask, what do you want him to do?

Fighting 2, failed wars, which cost the USA 1.30 trillion dollars, only to make people that disliked us at first, really hate us now. 1.30 trillion dollars with zero return to anyone.

The only thing the republicans want to do is to make sure 1.3 trillion dollars more gets spent on either the extremely wealthy or to go to war. They could care less if they actually help anyone in the usa.

The democrates just want to make sure pet projects and systemic waste occurs enough to drain away the money before it really does something good for the american people.

What would you like obama to do?

Go to the republican and say, you cant have any more wars and the wealthy need to pay their fair share?

Go to democrats and say unless the money actually creates and does something, I will not approve?

What do you want. Because either of those options will work. Tell either side that you need to buckle down and only spend money on projects that improves the economy and stays 100% in america will just get him laughed at.

To of the biggest problems with this country is

1.) The republicans are just maggots trying to carve off the biggest pieces they can, while there is still something left to carve from.

2.) The democrats are doing everything possible to revive the dead horse.

But the truth of the matter is this, america, the one you know and love, is dead horse. It was systemically poisoned to death by your parents and your parent, parents. There is no american dream, only how much you can carve off while you still can.

I know you don't like the imagery, but really, look around. What does american produce? How many american jobs are going overseas?

Why is it the only people that got a bail out was the extremely wealthy? Because they know they must get a larger piece of the dead horse, while there is still some left.

Understand this. Right this minute, if you are a tax payer, you owe 130,000 dollars this minute. Can you afford 130,000 dollar debt? Can you afford the 1,200 dollars a month for the next 30 years, just to pay off your amount.

But more importantly, my total taxes is about 20% of my income. A person the earns half of what I do, pays about 38% of their income in taxes.

So, tell me, what should he do? Start two failed wars and cause another economic melt down? Because that is the only thing the democrats and republicans seem to care to spend money on.

 

[Dark Jedi]

Well anything would be better than sitting on his ass with the cruise control on. He is the President our nations leader. Its about time for him to take control and start doing what he promised. THe only thing he is good at is going on vacation and passing the buck. Oh also have town hall meetings. I really think he got in over his head.

 

[Crude]

I really have to ask, what do you want him to do?

Fighting 2, failed wars, which cost the USA 1.30 trillion dollars, only to make people that disliked us at first, really hate us now. 1.30 trillion dollars with zero return to anyone.

The only thing the republicans want to do is to make sure 1.3 trillion dollars more gets spent on either the extremely wealthy or to go to war. They could care less if they actually help anyone in the usa.

The democrates just want to make sure pet projects and systemic waste occurs enough to drain away the money before it really does something good for the american people.

What would you like obama to do?

Go to the republican and say, you cant have any more wars and the wealthy need to pay their fair share?

Go to democrats and say unless the money actually creates and does something, I will not approve?

What do you want. Because either of those options will work. Tell either side that you need to buckle down and only spend money on projects that improves the economy and stays 100% in america will just get him laughed at.

To of the biggest problems with this country is

1.) The republicans are just maggots trying to carve off the biggest pieces they can, while there is still something left to carve from.

2.) The democrats are doing everything possible to revive the dead horse.

But the truth of the matter is this, america, the one you know and love, is dead horse. It was systemically poisoned to death by your parents and your parent, parents. There is no american dream, only how much you can carve off while you still can.

I know you don't like the imagery, but really, look around. What does american produce? How many american jobs are going overseas?

Why is it the only people that got a bail out was the extremely wealthy? Because they know they must get a larger piece of the dead horse, while there is still some left.

Understand this. Right this minute, if you are a tax payer, you owe 130,000 dollars this minute. Can you afford 130,000 dollar debt? Can you afford the 1,200 dollars a month for the next 30 years, just to pay off your amount.

But more importantly, my total taxes is about 20% of my income. A person the earns half of what I do, pays about 38% of their income in taxes.

So, tell me, what should he do? Start two failed wars and cause another economic melt down? Because that is the only thing the democrats and republicans seem to care to spend money on.

 

[Crude]

Here read this....
American Thinker: Obama, The Accidental President

 

[Mac_Leod]

Well anything would be better than sitting on his ass with the cruise control on. He is the President our nations leader. Its about time for him to take control and start doing what he promised. THe only thing he is good at is going on vacation and passing the buck. Oh also have town hall meetings. I really think he got in over his head.

Well, to be honest, what did you expect from a junior first-term senator?

 

[Tempusfugit]

AWOL? Bush vacations anyone? I swear americans have the attention spa - ooooo look a nickel!

Where was I? OH ya.

Uh, a couple months ago the republicans in congress basically said "we're fillibustering everything, eff off" - but sure blame Obama.

I don't really like Obama, but its funny the stuff he gets flak for.

 

[Dark Jedi]

Well, to be honest, what did you expect from a junior first-term senator?

To be honest. Not a damn thing. Hey I will give anyone a chance before passing my judgement. Can he be considered first term as he never finished his term as a senator.

 

[Crude]

AWOL? Bush vacations anyone? I swear americans have the attention spa - ooooo look a nickel!

Where was I? OH ya.

Uh, a couple months ago the republicans in congress basically said "we're fillibustering everything, eff off" - but sure blame Obama.

I don't really like Obama, but its funny the stuff he gets flak for.

Who got the blame for being a God and sending a hurricane into new Orleans? Which is more absurd?

 

[Tempusfugit]

Who got the blame for being a God and sending a hurricane into new Orleans? Which is more absurd?

Really? First that wasn't mainstream media, I can assure you that. Second, when bush was in office he didn't receive nearly as much criticism as Obama, and he did a worse job, and was probably "AWOL" a lot more - gotta finish reading this book to this class, I'll get to the country being under attack later.

 

[Crude]

Really? First that wasn't mainstream media, I can assure you that. Second, when bush was in office he didn't receive nearly as much criticism as Obama,

what planet where you one?

and he did a worse job,

hardly

and was probably "AWOL" a lot more - gotta finish reading this book to this class, I'll get to the country being under attack later.

aaaaaand credibility out the window.

 

[Dark Jedi]

Really? First that wasn't mainstream media, I can assure you that. Second, when bush was in office he didn't receive nearly as much criticism as Obama, and he did a worse job, and was probably "AWOL" a lot more - gotta finish reading this book to this class, I'll get to the country being under attack later.

Bush was criticized everytime he opened his mouth. How people made fun of him mispronouncing words and even making up words. People called him stupid. So no he wasn't criticized as much as Obama.

 

[Tempusfugit]

hardly

Oh yaaaaaa, it was Obama's fault the economy started collapsing before he was president. He started the wars and did away with habeas corpus too.

aaaaaand credibility out the window.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_17.pdf

 

[Tempusfugit]

George W. Bush presided over two recessions, two wars, 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina — but he still managed to take more time off than any president in modern history. While Bush was in the White House, he tended not to work too hard — he was known for scheduling plenty of time for exercise during the day, and liked to knock off early — but Bush also spent time away from the White House with a frequency unseen in generations, taking more and longer breaks than any of his 20th-century predecessors.

Before 2000, the president with the most vacation time in the modern era was Reagan. Bush not only beat Reagan’s record, he did so with 17 months to spare. Spanning his two terms, Bush spent 487 days at Camp David, and 490 days at a ranch in Crawford. That’s a total of 977 days — about a third of his overall presidency.

 

[Dark Jedi]

George W. Bush presided over two recessions, two wars, 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina

 

[Tempusfugit]

How many times he visit camp David to meet with foreign leaders to discuss policies?

Just over 24 in his 2nd term. So call them all 3 days(probably weren't) and you're still at ~150 for both terms. I'm sure all 150 days were strictly business and shooting each other in the face though.


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As in Bush's first term, his second-term roster is dominated by family, friends and Cabinet members. The most famous names include pro golfer Ben Crenshaw, who spent the night at the White House and Camp David, and Olympic figure skater Dorothy Hamill, who stayed at the White House. Just over two-dozen foreign dignitaries visited Camp David during Bush's second term

 

[Tempusfugit]

Where did crude go - did he ever find my credibility?

 

[Crude]

Where this is going someone will end up in trouble. I'm bowing out.

 

[byteware]

I really have to ask, what do you want him to do?

Let's answer these as best as possible.

Fighting 2, failed wars, which cost the USA 1.30 trillion dollars, only to make people that disliked us at first, really hate us now. 1.30 trillion dollars with zero return to anyone.

Failed wars? Well, if that isn't a rhetoric statement, I don't know what is...

Iraq has been won (on our part), and is now up to the Iraqi people.

Afghanistan is still undecided, but needs to be won to prevent Al Qaeda from having a base of operations (I'm much less hopeful about Afghanistan though).

The only thing the republicans want to do is to make sure 1.3 trillion dollars more gets spent on either the extremely wealthy or to go to war. They could care less if they actually help anyone in the usa.

Would you kindly detail how they are spending money on the Extremely wealthy?

Also, you will find that the biggest difference between Democrats and Republicans is that they differ on WHO should help the poor, not whether or not they should be helped.

For instance, the first groups on the scene in New Orleans after Katrina were Evangelical Christian groups. Days before the government was there, Evangelical Christians (the base of the Republican Party) was there given aid.

Republicans believe it is the responsibility of the individual. Democrats believe it is the responsibility of the individual to make sure the government is doing it.

Neither side is evil, just based upon a different philosophy.

The democrates just want to make sure pet projects and systemic waste occurs enough to drain away the money before it really does something good for the american people.

That's called Bureaucracy.

Go to the republican and say, you cant have any more wars and the wealthy need to pay their fair share?

Well, here are a few questions. Who got us into the Libyan Civil War? Those darn blasted Republicans?

Who Authorized the Iraq War? Congress, with a nearly unanimous vote including Democrats?

The top 10% of income earners in this country make 5 times what everyone else makes...

And they pay 21 times what everyone else pays in taxes.

What would be their fair share of taxes? And who gets to decide what their fair share is?

What do you want. Because either of those options will work. Tell either side that you need to buckle down and only spend money on projects that improves the economy and stays 100% in america will just get him laughed at.

This is what's called a false dilemma. It's a logical fallacy. You present two choices as our only options, when that clearly isn't true.

How about he not sign any bill into law if it contains amendments to fund unrelated items. This will stop unnecessary spending, and pork projects...

In fact, he made a campaign promise to do something very similar (not sign anything with pork).

To of the biggest problems with this country is

1.) The republicans are just maggots trying to carve off the biggest pieces they can, while there is still something left to carve from.

2.) The democrats are doing everything possible to revive the dead horse.

This shows that you get most of your information about what's going on from political rhetoric.

The thing about political rhetoric... it's false. It's blatantly unreliable.

I know you don't like the imagery, but really, look around. What does american produce? How many american jobs are going overseas?

What does America produce? I don't know for sure besides automobiles. I do know that we produce nearly half again what China does.

U.S. manufacturing is No. 1, for now - Business - U.S. business - Made in America - msnbc.com

Why is it the only people that got a bail out was the extremely wealthy? Because they know they must get a larger piece of the dead horse, while there is still some left.

People didn't get a bail out, businesses did. If you know of any person who received a bailout, then please let us know.

But more importantly, my total taxes is about 20% of my income. A person the earns half of what I do, pays about 38% of their income in taxes.

A family of four making $50,000/year pays no income taxes whatsoever. So, unless you make more than $100,000.

This couldn't even begin to be true.

 

[byteware]

George W. Bush presided over two recessions, two wars, 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina

 

[Knewz]

better to sit on a deficit than increase it.

no matter who holds presidency they will always be criticized by someone. Obama is not doing a bad job. And from what Bush left him to deal with, i'd say he's actually doing pretty well. if you expect him to turn junk into gold in his first term, you are clearly deluded. The state this country is in financially, socially, economically cannot be fixed by one man alone nor can it be done quickly.

 

[ElasticNinja]

I still feel if the Republicans hadn't wasted so much time on healthcare (which the electorate voted for), that there would be a bigger focus on fixing the economy
I guess that's just an issue with your political system

 

[byteware]

I still feel if the Republicans hadn't wasted so much time on healthcare (which the electorate voted for), that there would be a bigger focus on fixing the economy

Electorate voted for? The majority of the population was against and IS against the health care overhaul.

I guess that's just an issue with your political system

I think you are confusing the two parties.