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If Sprint offers Unlimited Data

RoboMonkey

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May 12, 2010
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Why do we have to root or pay more $$ just too wireless tether?
Why do they care how we consume the service we're paying for?

I'd be happy to never root and pay for 2gigs or 5gigs at a lower price to wireless tether.

Edit:
I don't have to root to use wireless tether on my LG OPtimus V on Virgin Mobile and it's on Sprint Network. But on my EVO I do.
 
How so? It's all using data right? Sounds more like "unlimited" doesn't really mean "unlimited".

Because Sprint says so and you agree in the contract. Sprint says "unlimited" for the phone, not for tether. You may think they SHOULDN'T but they do and it is their right.

One more thing. Why can you use "unlimited + free tethering" on a Virgin Mobile phone when it's on the same Sprint 3g network?

Now Virgin Mobile throttles after 5GB. See?

People tether all the time. Sprint can tell if you use the Hotspot app without modification and cannot if you use some other method.
 
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all you can eat buffets....

so .. according to your arguement...
i pay for all you can eat... for me... but if I have my friend sitting next to me... i can go get food and share with my friend.. no problem, right?

phone gets data for the phone to consume... but sharing with my laptop....is another device consuming data too.





on the other hand
does not mean I dont agree with you.... I am rooted and have free tethering.
but I do see their side of the argument.
 
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How so? It's all using data right?
Actually no, it is not all data.

How the internet interacts with a phone is different then a pc. For example, phones can signal to sites to send only the mobile version, custom compressed images, and limit certain interactions, for example you could never play an online pc video game with a phone.

Let us look at a specific example. Steam. Steam is not available for the phone, so the "data" to the phone is zero. Pc's can access steam and the gigabytes of data that it can deliver. One connection from a phone to steam would cost less then 2Mb. One connection from a tethered phone to steam could cost 20 gigabytes. Same goes for youtube, which degrades the video for mobile devices. Peer networks are the same.

A pc is meant to engage the interent on a whole differnet level, with the latest smart phones that level is slowing disappearing.

But regardless of all of that. Data is not just data.

When you place a phone call it takes frequency to make that call. If you add up all the calls, data, and text frequencies, you get between 15-25mhz of frequencies. Now we all know spectrum and frequencies are limited. Which means that you cant really talk all day long or download all day long, because your sprint simply does not have enough frequency for you to do that. It has enough for you to do it randomly for a period of time, but the system depends on you stopping, so some one else can start.

The connection to your phone, unlike pcs, is not made for 100% connected all the time, in fact it is made for you to be connected less then 1% of the time, which is not really possible with most pc's.

But ignoring that. Data is still not all equal.

As I pointed above, frequency is limited. Wimax/LTE use frequency to a level of efficiency that is amazing, but it is still limited. So it not much data you are sending, but what kind of data you are sending.

All data in limited systems needs to be broken in to cast system.

1.) Live voice and video streaming.
2.) Server stored voice and video streaming.
3.) Latency sensitive Apps. Facebook, twitter, and other "broadcast" system.
4.) Web pages and text pages.
5.) Email and other none time related data.
6.) Bandwidth hogs that are always 100% connected.

Why?
Because if a Live video is disrupted by network lag, it ruins the user experience. If your video/music is stop to load, mid video it is annoying. If you are latency sensitive apps are stalled, you can miss real time events, (instant message from you boss telling you that he needs a ride to work, like this morning.) After that point it really does not matter, email, webpages, ect all work on the fact you can reload them later.

On a 3g system, there is no way to know what is being sent where and how it is being sent. 4g systems can tell and do adjust, but 3g systems do not.

Since there is no way to tell with 3g and no way to shape traffic make sure the data that has to get through actually does, you have to limit interactions to those services.

When you pay for tethering, you are paying for access to an system that is every overloaded already! When you use that system, there is about an 80% you are disrupting someones experience.

Why? Because number 6 is the most used of all them, accounting for 80% of all traffic daily. With no way to control massive data hogging uses, peer-to-peer, for example. The system will become over ran very quickly.

So the take home.

1.) Cellphones are not pc's, you can download hundreds of gigabytes of files with most pc's, but with a phone you are usually limited to about 32 gigabytes.

2.) It takes frequency for you to connect with the internet, that is very limited.

3.) There is currently no real way to shape 3g traffic to make sure time sensitive data arrives consistently.

4.) Most tethered data directly disrupts the network traffic, in most cases. Charging a premium for that disruption allows the carrier to build a better network.

With both wimax and lte, these problems do go away. Wimax/lte can detect when a voice call or video is accessed and adjust the network for that. Data hogging programs that degraded the network, can be adjusted for. Spectrum efficiency is increased many fold. Moving voice to voip will almost double that spectrum.

But data is never, "just data".
 
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When I say "Data is Data" what I should have said was, If I want to use 5gb of data and then be throttled who cares. As I've said virgin mobile Let's you do this and it is on sprints network.

And to the all you can eat analogy, that was kind of off. It's more like if I pay for all you can eat can I use more than one plate. :)

I'm not try to start a flame or troll post. Like I said I just find it strange that sprint has better tethering rules for their prepay customers.
 
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How so? It's all using data right? Sounds more like "unlimited" doesn't really mean "unlimited".

One more thing. Why can you use "unlimited + free tethering" on a Virgin Mobile phone when it's on the same Sprint 3g network?

Virgin mobile data sucks. Sure, its "unlimited" at great prices, but it either is slow as hell, for turns of all the time, and you have to mess with toggling airplane mode, reactivating, messing with customer service, and half the time the only fix is waiting for it to come back.
 
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When I say "Data is Data" what I should have said was, If I want to use 5gb of data and then be throttled who cares. As I've said virgin mobile Let's you do this and it is on sprints network.

And to the all you can eat analogy, that was kind of off. It's more like if I pay for all you can eat can I use more than one plate. :)

I'm not try to start a flame or troll post. Like I said I just find it strange that sprint has better tethering rules for their prepay customers.


All you can eat....
Food goes in my mouth.. not others.

Tethering... can be many devices and many users
 
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I'm okay with it if they throttle after 5gb


You need to take that talk elsewhere.

Throttling is one of the worst practices in business in terms of user experience. It basically means get saddled with sub dial up speeds at cable prices.

Just so we are are clear, you're okay with watching one netflix HD movie and getting .25mb download speeds for the rest of the month?

Are you sure? That's throttling, and it sucks balls like you can't imagine.
 
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You need to take that talk elsewhere.

Throttling is one of the worst practices in business in terms of user experience. It basically means get saddled with sub dial up speeds at cable prices.

Just so we are are clear, you're okay with watching one netflix HD movie and getting .25mb download speeds for the rest of the month?

Are you sure? That's throttling, and it sucks balls like you can't imagine.

LoL no I'm not. I don't use that much data (even tethered), so I'd never hit the cap. I just use my evo to surf on my iPad and netbook...mostly email, gtalk, and yahoo. I don't stream music or video. Oh and these forums.
 
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The way I look at it is this, for me wireless tethering means nothing to me because I get very bad 3G speeds where I live. But having said that I am one of "those guys" that thinks it's complete bullshit to charge $10/mo for 4g if you don't have it in your area. If they can setup separate plans for wireless tether then why can't they for 4g?

I mean if I had 4g in my area I would have NO issue paying an additional $10/mo for it. And I didn't even have any issue paying the extra for 4g when it looked like a possibility that I would have access someday. But with clearwire going under, and with talks that sprint is going to abandon wiimax in favor of lte.

I'm sorry but that is complete bullshit. If you want to compare it to a buffet that would be like going to an all you can eat, but you have to pay an additional $10 for steak that will be "coming to the buffet soon" so you keep paying then they announce one day "sorry we are going to abandon steak"

And I know everyone will say "well there are other buffets, nobody is making you stay with sprint" but to those who might say that my response is;

I was told by sprint that 4g would be available in my area within a year, they now have until June.
 
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The way I look at it is this, for me wireless tethering means nothing to me because I get very bad 3G speeds where I live. But having said that I am one of "those guys" that thinks it's complete bullshit to charge $10/mo for 4g if you don't have it in your area. If they can setup separate plans for wireless tether then why can't they for 4g?

I mean if I had 4g in my area I would have NO issue paying an additional $10/mo for it. And I didn't even have any issue paying the extra for 4g when it looked like a possibility that I would have access someday. But with clearwire going under, and with talks that sprint is going to abandon wiimax in favor of lte.

I'm sorry but that is complete bullshit. If you want to compare it to a buffet that would be like going to an all you can eat, but you have to pay an additional $10 for steak that will be "coming to the buffet soon" so you keep paying then they announce one day "sorry we are going to abandon steak"

And I know everyone will say "well there are other buffets, nobody is making you stay with sprint" but to those who might say that my response is;

I was told by sprint that 4g would be available in my area within a year, they now have until June.


i read last week... that sprint has signed a new deal with clearwire.. for 2 yrs.. and will invest 1billion over the 2 yrs.

so you might have a chance to taste 4G and better data speeds.
 
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i read last week... that sprint has signed a new deal with clearwire.. for 2 yrs.. and will invest 1billion over the 2 yrs.

so you might have a chance to taste 4G and better data speeds.


That's the thing that gets me, I just talked to an "advanced sprint tech" and he told me that it is true that clearwire has gone belly up, and sprint is abandoning wiimax in favor of lte. But that the evo and other 4g phone will be compatible with lte with a firmware update.

But why won't sprint send out something to us. At least explaining all of the rumors. I mean, I'm not expecting inside info, but something straight from sprint is better than rumors on various android forums.
 
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I was told the exact same thing by a Sprint rep when I took my phone in today. I asked him point blank if the EVOs were going to be obsolete as far as 4G was concerned since Clearwire was in bankruptcy. He said, "Spint is in talks to get LTE. Right now, nothing is carved in stone, but your EVO will work with LTE." I must have had a look on my face like, "yeah right", because he followed that with, "It can be done with a firmware update." I don't know if that's Sprint's line they are telling their CSRs to use or if the guy really knows what he's talking about.

As far as "different" is concerned, the one big honking difference is that LTE is more widely available than WiMax and when Clearwire finally hangs it up, it might be the only ship in the port. Verizon has had 4G LTE available in my area for months. Not so with Sprint.
 
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After looking into this, it would be very hard to do just firmware update. Clear has not gone belly up. It is actually doing ok.

But, what makes you think that lte is going to be any different the wimax?

Yeah, I even ran across a thread on xda, I think? Talking about how there is no way they could update a wiimax phone to lte technology. But, having said that, sprint did say it is possible. And according to Sarah they told her the same thing.

But the difference between wiimax and lte, well if clearwire is belly up, I don't see sprint throwing anymore money into that money pit. So I'd say wiimax is @ a standstill. So what you have is what you got, plus from what I've read even people in 4g wiimax cities have issues staying connected. I was in a 4g city, and I would connect, then 5 mins later look at my phone...bam 3G. I never stayed connected longer than 10mins @ one time.

And lte has already blown clearwire out of the water. I read somewhere that lte already has the same amount of towers that clearwire has. And lte is still growing.
 
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As far as "different" is concerned, the one big honking difference is that LTE is more widely available than WiMax and when Clearwire finally hangs it up, it might be the only ship in the port. Verizon has had 4G LTE available in my area for months. Not so with Sprint.
And I am telling you that it is nearly impossible. But beleive what you want. But if sprint does go to lte, you will not be able to roam on verizon or use verizons lte service.
I don't see sprint throwing anymore money into that money pit. So I'd say wiimax is @ a standstill. So what you have is what you got, plus from what I've read even people in 4g wiimax cities have issues staying connected. I read somewhere that lte already has the same amount of towers that clearwire has. And lte is still growing.

It is not wimax that is having the connection problems it is how the network is built out. Changing to lte will not help you. It will be the same network with a different name. It would be like buying a go cart to go deep sea fishing.

What you are saying is this.

You buy a ford focus, repaint it and calling it a bmw. You see the problem, if you change "ford/wimax" to "bmw/lte" it does not change what the network is. Your problems are physical problem with the physical towers and how the they are physically work out. You want to try to fix a physical problem with a software patch. Which is like taking a 15 year old windows pc and installing linux on it, and then claiming all your problems are solved.

If you take wimax and change it to lte, it will not change anything. You will still have network problems, it would only cost sprint 10 times more money to give you what you are getting now.

It is not wimax that is creating sprints problems, it is the fact that they are debt with no end in site.

All sprint will do is, to use your own words, is throw more money, 10 times the amount they currently are, in a money pit.

As for them at a stand still, in the last month they have turned on over 4 million people to wimax. If that is a stand still for you, great.
 
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Look, I'm not trying to argue with you. I am simply relaying what Sprint is telling their customers. If you have issue with it, you're talking to the wrong person. I'm just another Sprint customer who bought a 4G phone based on a promise that 4G would be available in my area. It isn't and Sprint still isn't giving concrete info on if/when it's even going to be possible on their network. Perhaps you should call Sprint and explain to them why their current line isn't feasible. Maybe they'll come up with something new?

I have been with Sprint since 2007. I like them very much, but I don't like paying for something based on vague promises that may never come to fruition. So, when my contact is up next April, if no 4G, I'm going to Verizon.
 
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