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Evo 3D 'pro' reviews

...Just like you, I'm concerned about poor call quality (that's the only thing I'm concerned about), and I'll do my own tests in the store as well when deciding if I want to buy it or get something else.

Yup, yup, yup. I'm wary of the call quality, as well, but I haven't read anything that's making me re-think things, as yet, anyway. I'll keep a close ear on the situation, and go from there. If it doesn't work out, I'll drop to a EVO4G and STILL be rid of the Pre.

(PS, I wonder if my quality will seem better since my wife says I can't hear squat!!! :D)
 
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Regarding bad call quality in the reviews:

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These reviewers are reviewing smartphones all the time, and it's very likely their methodology for these reviews are very similar. All radios on, testing a call to the same number(s), calling from the same location, etc, etc. This is an assumption I'm making, but I believe it's very likely.

Therefore, if a reviewer says Evo 3D has bad call quality, it's likely in reference to other phones s/he's tested in very similar circumstances, and the Evo 3D doesn't perform as well comparably.

That's not to say the Evo 3D couldn't perform better with call quality in other test conditions. But I tend to believe there is legitimacy with call quality problems because it's such a universal feature, and the reviewers have a lot of experience testing that.

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^This^

Their methodology for reviews is probably similar because this is the way the vast majority of owners will use their phones. There are a lot of factors that may come into play, I'd much rather place trust in a review from someone who has used a phone for a few days rather than an unboxing, turn it on and start writing a diatribe. There's not a lot of evidence that these reviewers had more than a few minutes with it (although some did).

Call quality cannot be dismissed, and its prevalent from most reviewers. If the Evo 3D is subpar from other smartphones reviewed, regardless of methodology, then its an issue. If a phone can't function well as a phone it may as well be a brick, but then that's just my opinion. If you disagree, iPod Touch might be the device for you.
 
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Yup, yup, yup. I'm wary of the call quality, as well, but I haven't read anything that's making me re-think things, as yet, anyway. I'll keep a close ear on the situation, and go from there. If it doesn't work out, I'll drop to a EVO4G and STILL be rid of the Pre.

(PS, I wonder if my quality will seem better since my wife says I can't hear squat!!! :D)

I hear you (no pun intended). I'm still stuck with my TP2, I bought the Evo4G and LOVED IT, but returned it within 30 days once I found out the Evo3D was coming in only a few months. I haven't seen anything that makes me re-think things yet, I still plan on buying the 3D, but will try it out in store. If the call quality is poor, then I'd either have to wait for several more months for either the Motorola or the SGII (which I can't take the TP2 for another few months lol) or I'd get the Evo4G. On Sprint none of the other devices interest me to be honest.

Either way, I NEED to get something other then the TP2 and FAST, so I'm crossing my fingers the Evo3D doesn't have any major problems! If the call quality sucks really bad, then I won't have a choice but to get the Evo4G I think (not a fan of Epic or the Nexus)
 
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Exactly. The problem is, it's not clear if we should be holding reviewers to the same standard as a bunch of folks hanging around in a forum finding and dissecting every piece of Evo 3D information.

The reviewers, for the most part, reflect the average populace, and I think it's fair to say that the problems cited by many of the reviewers would be valid observations by general folks (I think many people have the valid expectation of using 4G all the time, instead of like a switch when you need a turbo boost of data throughput -- why pay so much for/heavily advertise something you can only use in short bursts?).

Additionally, inconsistencies between reviews are often explained by the simple fact that you have different reviewers -- Vlad @ engaget reviewed the Sensation, while Myriam reviewed the Evo, and the Galaxy S2 was reviewed overseas. These things happen.

Good post and you are right about normal buyers attempting to do what the reviewers did. I know my Sprint store explained radio management during the EVO 4G launch to those who wanted to listen, but Sprint wasnt 100% accurate about what radios consumed the most power and having to leave all radios off.
 
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Call quality cannot be dismissed, and its prevalent from most reviewers. If the Evo 3D is subpar from other smartphones reviewed, regardless of methodology, then its an issue. If a phone can't function well as a phone it may as well be a brick, but then that's just my opinion. If you disagree, iPod Touch might be the device for you.

Absotively! :) That's why there's pads now, too. It's gotta be a phone, for sure. Being a home-based employee, I gotta have a phone that works (that's why I dropped Cingular). The main reason I want the 3D (or something similar), is that I know, as well as anyone can, that this phone will not become what my Pre has become - a dinosaur without support. I don't even think the OG EVO will.

The phone will work and work well, as well as the GPS and data connections. If the 3VO does not perform those well.... then back it goes, as many times as necessary to get right, with which device I decide on.
 
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Good post and you are right about normal buyers attempting to do what the reviewers did. I know my Sprint store explained radio management during the EVO 4G launch to those who wanted to listen, but Sprint wasnt 100% accurate about what radios consumed the most power and having to leave all radios off.


Lol never listen to Sprint store reps. Those are the same ones that would forcefully try to put Task Killers on the EVO.

If you really have pre-judgement on the 3D, your best bet is to wait for forum users.

Im sure someone will pan out, battery management, early on.

I still say though, if some of these reviewers are getting 12 hours(Im curious about the standby time in those hours) with 4G, I will be happy getting a 3D.
 
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Good observables, likely not the only conclusion or the correct one.

As mentioned, these things should be able to deal with radio interference.

What they're not able to always cope with is power management when you hit the right stress conditions.

Fun trick for all Evo 4G owners - turn on GPS radio, let it idle, forget location or maps. Check your wifi speed. Turn off your GPS radio - re-run speed test: watch your wifi speed double or more.

Try the same thing on the Shift - no difference.

What's up and why?

They make the phones compact and more affordable by using multi-function chips wherever they can.

And normally, you can never notice to pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

But - put your primary call radio functions under stress of low signal and its software/firmware/hardware is immediatly going to run home to Momma (a high-priority phone management function, iow) for help - Hey, Mom, is it me or the towers? I dunno dear, maybe we should just hop around a little bit and make sure. Mind you, we're not bright, so let's do this a lot in a low signal area. (Ok, I won't quit my day job. Anyway... doing that take extra power.)

It's at that point, depending on make, model and the stress condition, that the power management of the multi-function chips can't keep up. In my Evo example, it keeps up just fine, but wifi/gps are same circuit on that phone. Turn one off, you give more power to the other, and you stop managing shared data paths and slow control looping for that chip.

So, entirely reasonable you solved the problem by turning off some function. And not too bad a deal that you had to do in a place that's Fort Knox-like.

But if you had to do that under otherwise normal conditions, that's just a crappy phone, as common sense tells us and you already know.

So - without being able to measure what you saw - if I had to guess, I'd guess power management before RF interference.

LOL, I failed in my theory. Sprint said they haven't seen these audio problems. Is it possible the reviewers get a different phone than us? Phones Sprint tweaked before going to reviewers.
 
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LOL, I failed in my theory. Sprint said they haven't seen these audio problems. Is it possible the reviewers get a different phone than us? Phones Sprint tweaked before going to reviewers.


It is possible reviewers might have a different phone. Depending on how long they have had them. Seems like the NDA might have been lifted yesterday as this is when every site got thier reviews out.

But we are probably just talking on a software side, that maybe the call quality needs a quick OTA for fixing. Sprint was pretty quick last year with fixing initial EVO issues.

Wasnt there OTA update available launch day I believe?
 
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Step 1 for me: Make some calls in the Sprint Store
Step 2: Setup data schedule on 3VO
Step 3: Turn off all my radios like on my 4G
Step 4: Report battery drainage to this website after 3 hours. It will be better than the 1% an hour on my 4G...watch.

Good plan but I am going to take the phone home and test every possible day to day phone call scenario for myself. We have 30 days to return the phone so why not try some real world experiences to find out how it really performs. With Sprint's return policy I think it is a no brainer.
 
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It is possible reviewers might have a different phone. Depending on how long they have had them. Seems like the NDA might have been lifted yesterday as this is when every site got thier reviews out.

But we are probably just talking on a software side, that maybe the call quality needs a quick OTA for fixing. Sprint was pretty quick last year with fixing initial EVO issues.

Wasnt there OTA update available launch day I believe?

Yup as soon as you turned on your launch day Evo you could update it. I can't remember what it fixed though. Anything is possible at this point. They could have earlier software or are missing a bug fix but I doubt it. The first waves of phones have probably been boxed up and ready to ship for close to a month now, maybe longer, and they sent out a handful of them to reviewers. Having said that I am sure the software engineers are hard at work on testing and tweaking to see if there is indeed a problem, if it can be fixed by software, and if it can be done quickly. I will say this, Sprint is getting better and better with Android and HTC updates. yes they still have bugs but they are faster than most and at least address them.
 
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Here is another one, posted earlier today from Gizmodo. Nothing but negative comments, though :/

HTC Evo 3D: Oh My God Make It Stop Hurting

This "flash review" is a bit of a joke and I had fun reading all the comments making fun of the reviewer for doing such a sub par job. Oh and the reviewer even deleted this comment and moved it to the "#fanboys" section.

"Is this phone good because of 3D or in spite of it? Well, neither, actually. HTC was smart to make that part of the device not obtrusive in any way
 
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Cant believe you lasted on a Palm Pre for 2 years....

Dont get me wrong, I used to luv that lil phone, but I couldnt pass up getting the EVO last year(Gold Premier, annual upgrades).

Coming from me, I can honestly say, you will not be dissappointed whether its a 3D or an EVO. The only true thing you will miss is the cards lol.

I'm also rocking a launch day pre..... what a turd
 
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Gizmodo...after how they murdered the Droid X in their review, by talking mainly about Blur and the bootloader...and just glancing over phone feature and the hardware....I dont even look to them for reviews anymore.

There was some guy from Techno Buffalo doing phone comparisons on Youtube...and instances where the Droid X was a winner vs the iPhone, even if barely...he gave it to the iPhone. So no more reviews from him.

Engadget....they are probably a lil better than most other non Android centric sites. One thing I will give Gizmodo and Engadget credit for is trying to get the bootloader issue into the lime light. It shouldnt factor into a review's final score tho. But it was nice of them to mention it.

Anandtech and Phone Arena...are 2 place I put alot of stock in. Phone Arena reviewer(s) are big on photos, video recording, and battery life. Anandtech is just so technical its not even funny....lol

Those 2 can list what they feel are negatives in a way that just makes you accept it. Gizmodo....my problem with them is the saying: "Its not what you say its how you say it" That and they find 1-2 things they really hate and that becomes the review.

And if based on reviews, even posts in forums, I wouldnt have got the Droid 1. It had a showstopper issue the first few months it was out. Based on reviews I wouldnt have got the Droid X1 too. Most reviews agreed Blur wasnt good. I just got it and tested something vs. my Droid 1 and that was enough for me to keep it.

Some of yall made some good points, especially about the reviews. So like some have already said, take reviews with a grain of salt, and do your own review also. I've said this a few times last year...the best phone out is the phone that has the cons you can live with. The Fascinate had some better multimedia features than the Droid X. To me, the X was the best phone out. Cuz it had cons I could live with. As you can tell, I'm on Verizon...lol
 
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I wonder if this is the reason why CDMA networks have fewer dropped calls than GSM networks? People are out and about, they get a voice call, and their phone dumps the data radios.

Maybe, but my money is on a simpler answer - tower technology and corporate resolve.

One of the professional societies I've been a member had a primary mission to detail various signal effects when setting various types of antennas up. The top guys had some incredible solutions to the age-old problem - you want coverage, you don't have unlimited power, you need more than one broadcast point - that works, but right within the strong spots, the signals cancel and you got nothing. The other thing they all noted was the satisfactory victory when an employer actually listened and did things the right way.

Many people on AT&T - contrary to my experience - claim to have never suffered a dropped GSM call. My intuition tells me that in their areas, the guys got lucky setting up the towers or they simply did a better job. Either way, there are stories out there suggesting it can be done.

If there were corporate resolve, the problem wouldn't exist anyway - they'd repeat the success.

I think - but don't know for certain, just I think I understand - that part of the CDMA magic is that call quality isn't related to signal strength (if you used both gsm and cdma you've probably experienced that's true). So maybe some part of that radio magic is helpful at fewer dropped calls.

I'll let someone with real knowledge like RiverOfIce comment further.

LOL, I failed in my theory. Sprint said they haven't seen these audio problems. Is it possible the reviewers get a different phone than us? Phones Sprint tweaked before going to reviewers.

You maybe failed in your theory, but you passed with flying colors why we have theories or engineering info - to solve problems. Honestly, it wouldn't have occurred to me to try to turn off the other radios to see if it helped call quality. You did - you win! ;) :)

It is possible reviewers might have a different phone. Depending on how long they have had them. Seems like the NDA might have been lifted yesterday as this is when every site got thier reviews out.

But we are probably just talking on a software side, that maybe the call quality needs a quick OTA for fixing. Sprint was pretty quick last year with fixing initial EVO issues.

Wasnt there OTA update available launch day I believe?

Yep, we had an OTA on launch day.

I think Sprint/HTC's problem is they deliver the same phone to reviewers that they do to consumers: Every stupid Sense and radio feature turned on out of the box. That's not use-it mode, that's demo mode. It gives the eye candy a bad name and kills batteries.

Here's an idea - how about a setup wizard like with other computers? HTC Setup is a little of that - do you want location services, what's your Gmail address - but only enough to go use it fast. Complete the wizard. End with a phone more closely configured for consumer use. Ask - do you use Bluetooth? Do you even live in a 4G area? Do you have wifi - and would you like to set it up right now? Do you have more email accounts besides Gmail? Do you use Facebook? Do you use Twitter? Would you like to keep a record of your Footsteps? That's just off the top of my head.

At the end of that, reviewers could try what consumers might and give good answers. Otherwise, don't blame the reviewers if someone hands them a phone with all the bloat on maximum and tells them: this is how people will use this phone. Because that's what they'll review. :D

As for call quality - I've not absorbed all the reviews, been elsewhere. I read where one of you cats pointed out one reviewer is in a Sprint-challenged zone and never gives them a pass - dunno if that's part of the discussion or not.

But after stellar call quality on my Evo, the 3vo had better have it - 'nuff said. No denial on that pup.
 
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All I know is since my Gingerbread update if I copy and paste text from this forum into an email some of the words are jumbled together. Meaning I have to separate them by hand. The 3VO better not have this problem.

When I visit the Sprint store on 24 June I plan to call most of the cats on this forum. Then you will praise the call quality and love the 3VO.
 
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Regarding bad call quality in the reviews:

I tend not to look for explanations why a given reviewer might have received bad signal, and here's why:

These reviewers are reviewing smartphones all the time, and it's very likely their methodology for these reviews are very similar. All radios on, testing a call to the same number(s), calling from the same location, etc, etc. This is an assumption I'm making, but I believe it's very likely.

Therefore, if a reviewer says Evo 3D has bad call quality, it's likely in reference to other phones s/he's tested in very similar circumstances, and the Evo 3D doesn't perform as well comparably.

I got the Evo 4G on launch day, June 4th. I read everything I could about it for days/weeks leading up to launch. And if my memory is correct, I remember reading a lot of similar comments about call quality on that phone. So I bought the phone wondering if call quality would be significantly less than my BB. I was pleasantly surprised, and have had no problem with call quality. So I guess I tend to also dismiss these comments, maybe foolishly so.

Does anyone else remember similar comments about the 4G?
 
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A day of reading these comments and thinking it thru, I'm back on board 100% to get the 3D.

The cons that have been mentioned are no/or actually less different than the EVO last year.

Bad battery life compared to the Sensation. Absolutely no different than bad battery life of the EVO vs. the I4 from last year. All I care is that the Battery is better than the EVO itself(An Upgrade).

Call quality, honestly that is a nonessential point to me.

Picking up a 4G signal...hmm, but I rarely ever use my 4G anyway. And Im curious on that reviewer that was doing that testing.

And the actual 3D aspects of the phone? Well there is a lil problem, cause what if I am a user that does have issues with viewing 3D? I mean we all know you really shouldnt be viewing 3D content for a substantial amount of time.

I honestly dont believe many people would jump(Another High end Android/and/or Carrier) for the EVO 3D. You either want it, or you dont.
 
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The HTC Evo 3D ships with a bigger 1,730mAh lithium ion battery than the Evo 4G and has a rated talk time of 6 hours. Though we&#8217;re still conducting our battery drain tests, we&#8217;ve already noticed better battery life in day-to-day use. Starting with a full charge in the morning and with moderate to heavy use (including playing 3D games and video), we were able to go a full day, sometimes early into the next day, before needing to recharge. As soon as we complete testing, we will update this section with our battery talk time results. According to FCC radiation tests, the Evo 3D has a digital SAR rating of 0.885W/kg and a Hearing Aid Compatibility Rating of M4/T3.

Now that is a site doing some battery testing folks! Battery myth debunked!
HTC Evo 3D (Sprint)
 
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