Anyone Else's Incredible Running Really Slow and Laggy from Time to Time?

[Newlifer]

I am having the SAME issue. It's not only with handcent but the WHOLE phone. Even if I try to answer a call sometimes it won't let me. It lags for everything even just switching screens and forget trying to check facebook or tweetdeck it takes forever. Today a guy from work and I timed how long it took to send a reply to a text message... 45 seconds!!! This is outrageous and I know the only solution HTC is going to give me is to restore my phone yet again.. What a pain! :-( The sad thing is when i first got my Dinc I LOVED IT. now it has just become a nightmare. :-( Sad day....

 

[Sevreth]

Why would stored texts lag the rest of the phone, its not like they are cached in the ram, only a couple are. And guess that could be my problem... I have something like 4000 messages with my gf that I havent deleted any yet

I'm in a similar situation. My gf messages are roping 4k now and the lag of my phone sometimes is unbearable. I get so frustrated and it sometimes doesn't register as sent if I lock the phone too quickly before it is sent.

Sometimes powering down for a bump charge fixes it, but it always seems to come back.

Maybe all our phones are aging, or htc did this intentionally to get us to upgrade lol.

-Sev

 

[bgrutter]

Add me to the list. I'm thinking it *might* have something to do with SetCPU, because it REALLY drags when I get below 20-30%.

Also, my Maps keeps crashing. I'm running a Nandroid Backup right now. Tomorrow, I'm going try out the phone without SetCPU installed. If G-Maps doesn't work, I'm headed to VZW.

 

[Evan2ac]

Unfortunately all android devices still require task killer apps to function smoothly 100% of the time.

 

[euph_22]

Unfortunately all android devices still require task killer apps to function smoothly 100% of the time.

WRONG. Android manages its own tasks very well, thank you. Task killers are more likely to cause problems than prevent them.

Try clearing cache and data from problem apps, and (if you can) uninstall/reinstall them. If you can't you can uninstall/reinstall updates from them.

 

[Evan2ac]

WRONG. Android manages its own tasks very well, thank you. Task killers are more likely to cause problems than prevent them.

Try clearing cache and data from problem apps, and (if you can) uninstall/reinstall them. If you can't you can uninstall/reinstall updates from them.

Im sorry sir but you are incorrect.

Task killer apps remove selected running apps and free system memory in one shot. On the other hand the android OS memory management is what slows down the phone when the system gets low on memory. This has been proven via alogcat logs and has since been undeniable.

This is more noticeable on the incredible as the first generation snapdragon SoC does not have any L2 cache for the CPU and as a result relies even more so on system memory bandwidth.

 

[sdrawkcab25]

Task killer apps remove selected running apps and free system memory in one shot. On the other hand the android OS memory management is what slows down the phone when the system gets low on memory. This has been proven via alogcat logs and has since been undeniable.

Every android developer and google disagrees with you.

The whole point of android is to use all existing memory to store apps so they don't have to be started again. Unused memory is wasted memory.

What knowledge do you base your conclusion on?

 

[euph_22]

Im sorry sir but you are incorrect.

Task killer apps remove selected running apps and free system memory in one shot. On the other hand the android OS memory management is what slows down the phone when the system gets low on memory. This has been proven via alogcat logs and has since been undeniable.

This is more noticeable on the incredible as the first generation snapdragon SoC does not have any L2 cache for the CPU and as a result relies even more so on system memory bandwidth.

So you're saying the amount of ram dedicated as processor cache varies depending on what the applications are using? You do realize that is insane. That would be a virtually unworkable system architecture, not to mention there is absolutely no reason to have it work that way. You'd be sacrificing HUGE amounts of performance on the CPU side to give a puny bump in the applications performance. It works just like video ram on a standard laptop. The laptop video cards borrows a set amount of ram (64-128mb lets say). That amount stays fixed and that ram is completely inaccessible to the rest of the system. As far as the rest of the system goes those 128mb of ram don't exists. There is no interaction between the 2 pools or RAM.

Yes, the OS gets slow when it's running low on RAM. That's true for every operating system. There will be a small amount of lag if the memory management needs to purge background apps from memory to make space. Once that's done the system will be just as fast as ever. This will cause far less lag for far less time than unnecessarily killing background applications that are not using any meaningful system resources only to start them from the beginning at runtime.

To the original posters, you can use System Panel (available on market) to identify any apps that might be using processor constantly, reducing performance.

 

[euph_22]

Why would stored texts lag the rest of the phone, its not like they are cached in the ram, only a couple are. And guess that could be my problem... I have something like 4000 messages with my gf that I havent deleted any yet

Ok, this is speculation on my part. Because android uses the data/data partition to cache private data, which includes text messages. This partition is quite small in our phones. That does 2 things. 1) because more of the partition is being used, that fragments of available space are getting smaller. So to save data into that space (which is widely used by a lot of apps), they have to break the data into more/smaller chunks. This adds to read and write times.
2) Since the system to some extent manages cache's to keep space available there, the system might have to purge some of the caches to make room. This takes time/processor and means that cache is lost. When that app runs again, it might have to reconstruct that data.

Again, I don't know either of those for sure, but it's just a theory.

 

[Evan2ac]

Every android developer and google disagrees with you.

The whole point of android is to use all existing memory to store apps so they don't have to be started again. Unused memory is wasted memory.

What knowledge do you base your conclusion on?

Incorrect sir,

Google does not disagree with me nor do developers. You will not find one. Please provide an instance where they disagree. You are confusing the question of whether or not you NEED for a task killer app or not for the phone to function. The answer to that question is no you do not need one technically but that is not what we are discussing. What we are discussing is whether a task killer app improves performance of the phone, which it clearly does. I have covered this topic extensively over the years and alogcat logs do not lie.

Im surprised people are even still debating this as alogcat logs are the "smoking gun" proof in favor of task killer apps. With alogcat you can SEE with your own eyes that the memory management takes up a noticable amount of time to manage memory. This entire management process can be avoided when using task killer apps hence increasing performance. This is the reason why phones become "slow" after a while of use and rebooting clears this just like a task killer app.

 

[sdrawkcab25]

Incorrect sir,

Google does not disagree with me. Please provide an instance where they disagree. You will not find one. I have convered this topic extensively over the years and alogcat logs do not lie.

http://developer.android.com/videos/index.html#v=QBGfUs9mQYY

And do research on the website, then design an AOSP rom, and I'm confident you will change your mind. Just like EVERY android developer knows, android manages it's tasks extremely well.

More info from one of the most respected developers on android:
http://howto.ccroms.net/ongoing/android_myths

...One of these is how android deals with memory. Android will load up your apps and then keep them running until they absolutely HAVE to kill them. This is because that way, if you want to re-open an app, the system already has it loaded and can then just resume it instead of reloading it. This provides a significant performance increase.

What a lot of people don't realize as well is that android kernels have their own task manager. This means that:

1. it will be more efficient than any app-based task manager as it is run at the kernel level, and 2. it should be left up to that task killer to decide when to free up memory

There is only one case where having a task killer is a good idea, and that is when you want to kill ONE SPECIFIC APP. Killing all apps is never a good idea. You don't know what operations they are performing or if they are necessary.

No matter how much research you have done, you don't carry more clout than google or respected android developers and that is undeniable, therefore you will be unable to convince anyone otherwise.

 

[euph_22]

Im surprised people are even still debating this as alogcat logs are the "smoking gun" proof in favor of task killer apps. With alogcat you can SEE with your own eyes that the memory management takes up a noticable amount of time to manage memory. This entire management process can be avoided when using task killer apps hence increasing performance. This is the reason why phones become "slow" after a while of use and rebooting clears this just like a task killer app.

First off, I explained what that meant AND why that's still better that using a task killer.

Second, the phone could be faster after a reboot BECAUSE it loaded all the stuff back into RAM that you have been removing by task killer.

 

[euph_22]

Incorrect sir,

Google does not disagree with me nor do developers. You will not find one. Please provide an instance where they disagree. You are confusing the question of whether or not you NEED for a task killer app or not for the phone to function. The answer to that question is no you do not need one technically but that is not what we are discussing. What we are discussing is whether a task killer app improves performance of the phone, which it clearly does. I have covered this topic extensively over the years and alogcat logs do not lie.

Can we get a DEV to disagree with this guy so he'll go away?

By the way, I develop on Linux (and am a Graduate student in Computational Math), and I disagree with you.

 

[EarlyMon]

Yes, a developer agrees completely here that task killing sucks -

http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-3d/362038-memory-task-management.html

And I am taking action.

PS - If it helps anyone with a second opinion, the link about at the end of that thread is to SirSlayer's post on this matter. Some of you may know him as Slayer69 from XDA.

So between an actual Android dev (whose tools I highly recommend for your security) and Slayer69, I hope that settles the issue for any of our newcomers experiencing any doubt.

 

[NightAngel79]

I have notice here lately that my phone seems to lag at random times. Not specific to any one app or certain task i'm performing (texting, calling, etc)

 

[EarlyMon]

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that when you get Gingerbread, you'll see improvement on that lagging due to the superior garbage collection we discussed in the Gingerbread thread.

 

[NightAngel79]

I'm sure I will though not sure what the deal is lately. I have completely stopped putting apps on SD card as a rule. Not sure if that has anything to do with it, I know data/data has over 40mb free and program is right around 350 free so not sure that has anything to do with it

 

[EarlyMon]

Have you tried Android System Info (Electric Sheep), free in the Market?

First tab (main page) will show free ram, second tab -> Low Memory Killer Levels

If your free ram is floating through any of those levels, your phone will start into immediate task management - automatically parking and killing what's required.

Depending on complexity of tasks and services at that point, you can and will experience significant lag.

Again, garbage collection improvements really changes the picture there.

Buffering issues are also positively impacted.

 

[NightAngel79]

Hmm might look into that. It has been pretty random lately. Just a minor annoyance really

 

[Vaetix]

And deleting threads in handcent is a joke. Thing crashes half the time or just sits and locks up.

In Handcent:

• Menu
• Batch Mode
• Select Threads
• Force Delete

Works much better than the "obvious" deletion method.

 

[BabyBlues]

I've experienced it as well. I am using stock keyboard and messaging. Sometimes clearing out the texts helps, other times I have to power off and then back on. I'm like NightAngel right now - it's random and only a slight irritation so far.

 

[zemerick]

I'm sure I will though not sure what the deal is lately. I have completely stopped putting apps on SD card as a rule. Not sure if that has anything to do with it, I know data/data has over 40mb free and program is right around 350 free so not sure that has anything to do with it

Doubt that will help. I'm starting to have issues with the lag as well and I almost never use APP2SD. ( Unless you're saying you stopped doing app2sd, and think this is what caused it... ) I used to be able to post on forums fine, but today has mostly been a nightmare. I'll be typing fine, then it just starts getting further and further behind. I wait to try and let it catch up, but it never does. I can hit a button and the lag is still there. I'll hit post, then in the next one...smooth.

Will have to look into it closer sometime soon. This and the text message issue is getting annoying, but I have other things to worry about atm.

 

[NightAngel79]

Doubt that will help. I'm starting to have issues with the lag as well and I almost never use APP2SD. ( Unless you're saying you stopped doing app2sd, and think this is what caused it... ) I used to be able to post on forums fine, but today has mostly been a nightmare. I'll be typing fine, then it just starts getting further and further behind. I wait to try and let it catch up, but it never does. I can hit a button and the lag is still there. I'll hit post, then in the next one...smooth.

Will have to look into it closer sometime soon. This and the text message issue is getting annoying, but I have other things to worry about atm.

Yea I stopped using app2SD after my phone crashed and card got corrupted.... no idea if this has anything to do with it but thought worth mentioning....

If you ever look into it let me/us know what you find out

 

[Hand76]

Anyone get this while playing games?

I could play Angry Birds fine for 30-45 minutes and then all of a sudden I get lag on a level and it takes a few minutes to clear up.

 

[KE4NYV]

Recently, I have also noticed a significant lag on my Dinc. It doesn't matter what I am doing, everything lags. I ran OS Monitor and I found that Dialer was putting anywhere from 80-95% load at all times. Is anyone else seeing the same thing?