Something smells fishy about this

[Crude]

Cigarette-rolling machines boon for businesses, bane for feds - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

 

[batgeek]

but the taxes......it's for the chil'ren!

 

[lordofthereef]

What I don't get is if people are ok with hand-rolled cigarettes, why don't they just roll their own?

 

[Dark Jedi]

What I don't get is if people are ok with hand-rolled cigarettes, why don't they just roll their own?

one is lazyness. Second one is not everyone can roll a cigarette.

 

[copestag]

its pretty hard to get a hand rolled cig to be identical to a store bought..... filter and all........ which is what these machines do.......... other than the little name 'marlboro' etc on the cig itself you cant tell the difference

 

[batgeek]

actually, it's not hard at all to make a "store bought" cigarette. you can buy "tubes"(rolled paper with or without filter attached) and separate tobacco. then get an electronic or manual packing machine(called an injector) and make your own in your house. a friend of mine does this.

http://www.ryocigarette.com/

 

[Crude]

actually, it's not hard at all to make a "store bought" cigarette. you can buy "tubes"(rolled paper with or without filter attached) and separate tobacco. then get an electronic or manual packing machine(called an injector) and make your own in your house. a friend of mine does this.

Roll Your Own Cigarettes - WHOLESALE Prices to the Public - Rolling Tobacco, Cigars, Little Cigars, Pipe Tobacco, Chew, and All Accessories

but what about the kids?

 

[copestag]

yes you can certainly take the time to individually roll a store like cigarette...... kudos to your friend for taking the initiative to save himself some money

but can he roll an entire carton in 8 minutes? thats what this machine does

so I shouldnt say its pretty hard to roll your own....... its pretty inefficient... and not worth the hassle to the vast majority...... however with these machines it saves you a ton of money and time as well....... hell you cant even purchase a carton in 8 minutes at the store

as for the kids.......... obama has them covered...... he'll be spouting off at his next campaign stop about how corporate jet owners, hedge fund managers, and roll your own smokers need to pay their fair share

 

[batgeek]

sadly, he believes some people need to have a bigger fair share than others.

 

[lordofthereef]

so I shouldnt say its pretty hard to roll your own....... its pretty inefficient... and not worth the hassle to the vast majority...... however with these machines it saves you a ton of money and time as well....... hell you cant even purchase a carton in 8 minutes at the store

Great. SO they should be taxed. As it sounds like they now are.

 

[copestag]

absolutely........ the same way that people who drive electric cars should be taxed....... arent they depriving the govt of gas taxes? what about the children?

 

[Crude]

absolutely........ the same way that people who drive electric cars should be taxed....... arent they depriving the govt of gas taxes? what about the children?

don't forget ethanol!

 

[batgeek]

Great. SO they should be taxed. As it sounds like they now are.

let's see. a business, with a machine, that customers come in to rent, to make a product with materials that have already been taxed....is now a manufacturer, and taxed as such?

dubble you tee eff.

that would mean the equipment supply store that i borrowed that tiller from to plow my garden, in order to plant veggies...should have to get taxed as a produce farm. only difference, i'm not paying tax on my veggies like the roll your own folks are paying tax on their bulk tobacco.

matter of fact, any equipment loaned by that store that is used to make, or provide a service to someone should be taxed accodingly to that particular service(building a structure as an example).

yeah! that make a whole bunch of sense!

pure freakin' money grab off a "sin" product. for the chil'ren.

 

[Slug]

don't forget ethanol!

At this point Android Forums would like to point out that in no way does it condone or recommend handling flammable liquids while smoking, whether hand or machine rolled.

 

[batgeek]

nice disclaimer!

 

[Crude]

At this point Android Forums would like to point out that in no way does it condone or recommend handling flammable liquids while smoking, whether hand or machine rolled.

Oh c'mon, do it for the children!

 

[batgeek]

 

[Frisco]

heh .. ^^^

 

[OutofDate1980]

Wonder if the the DEA can go after the seller/renter for drug paraphernalia ? I would guess that marijuana can be a substitute filler.

 

[Bob Maxey]

but what about the kids?

They get a discount.

 

[Bob Maxey]

At this point Android Forums would like to point out that in no way does it condone or recommend handling flammable liquids while smoking, whether hand or machine rolled.

Fine cigars almost demand a great scotch or brandy. So hush up, it is a requirement, for God's sake. Smiley

 

[LoyalServant]

Note how it is always the government being deprived of something....
The goal seems to be make something illegal because they can't figure out how to tax it OR to lump it in with some other tax.

Tax war tax war tax war tax war.... that's all it seems to be about.
The government lawyers need another raise, that's all.

The best ones are when one part of the government wants to tax something and so does another part, and they sue each other.

It's only going to get worse.

 

[Bob Maxey]

actually, it's not hard at all to make a "store bought" cigarette. you can buy "tubes"(rolled paper with or without filter attached) and separate tobacco. then get an electronic or manual packing machine(called an injector) and make your own in your house. a friend of mine does this.

Roll Your Own Cigarettes - WHOLESALE Prices to the Public - Rolling Tobacco, Cigars, Little Cigars, Pipe Tobacco, Chew, and All Accessories

I've seen a machine in the multi-thousand dollar range that is as large as a small fridge. It rolls high quality cigarettes rapidly. Rolling a carton takes very little time compared to the cheap rollers designed for one at a time.

Here in Utah, we have a tax on tobacco as well as rolling papers. I believe it is currently set at 24% just on the papers. Higher federal and state taxes will come; their goal is to make rolling your own as costly as buying factory made smokes.

 

[lordofthereef]

let's see. a business, with a machine, that customers come in to rent, to make a product with materials that have already been taxed....is now a manufacturer, and taxed as such?

What's the difference? The manufacturer, under your definition, is the one that makes the cig from crop to carton, right? How is owning a machine that puts these together any different? You have a machine in your store that is making a product with the sole purpose of tax evasion.

 

[Bob Maxey]

What's the difference? The manufacturer, under your definition, is the one that makes the cig from crop to carton, right? How is owning a machine that puts these together any different? You have a machine in your store that is making a product with the sole purpose of tax evasion.

Silly logic to be sure.