Ron Paul 2012

[weiss27md]

Here are my reasons he should be our next president. He believes strongly in the constitution and has always sticked by his issues. He strongly supports the 2nd amendment which is good for gun owners. He wants to end the Federal Reserve which is own privately and because of the fed inflation keeps going up as they have used $15 trillion in bailouts including $5 trillion to overseas banks. He won't raise taxes. He's a military veteran and wants to bring our troops home and stop being the worlds police. He is all for small government like keeping the fed out of state's rights. He is a doctor and knows a lot about healthcare. He has been a politician for 30 years and I think he is the only honest one. He would also accept a salary of $39,336 as president.
the Issues|Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
Exclusive: Ron Paul's Agenda To Include Eliminating Five Government Departments And He Will Take $39,336 Presidential Salary
Ron Paul debate highlights, also catches Cain in a lie.
Ron Paul Highlights - Bloomberg/Washington Post GOP Debate - YouTube
Speech by OWS protestor
Incredible Speech By Wall Street Protester "End The Fed" 2011 - YouTube
Ron Paul ad - he doesn't mud sling
Ron Paul Ad - Secure - YouTube
Ron Paul debate highlights
Ron Paul Highlights - Fox News/Google Republican Debate - YouTube
Ron Paul debate highlights
Ron Paul Highlights - GOP Debate at the Reagan Library - YouTube
Ron Paul against marijuana prohibition
Ron Paul: End Marijuana Prohibition Now! - YouTube

 

[Frisco]

Thank you for all that. I've been keeping a close eye on Ron Paul, as well as Mr. Cain <--- my front runner at the moment.

My problems with most Republican candidates, a "hot" issue: taxes, which most certainly do need to be raised temporarily in order to begin undoing the massive debt. I keep waiting for some honesty about that from the right, but it keeps coming from the left.

Nobody's perfect, but that issue grinds my gears. The other stuff, pot decrim, abortion, death penalty and on and on, that's social stuff that changes with the wind and tides over time. No matter how we feel about issues such as those, they're going to only temporarily be the way we want them, I've noticed over time.

 

[weiss27md]

Ron Paul is prety big about eliminating government over spending. He wants to bring our military home which would save a lot of money. He would eliminate 5 government departments which would save $1 trillion a year. He says we can lower our debt without raising taxes.
Exclusive: Ron Paul's Agenda To Include Eliminating Five Government Departments And He Will Take $39,336 Presidential Salary
Taxes|Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
He also wants to audit the federal reserve which is something Cain wouldn't. Cain used to work for the reserve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tUdkj80cA

 

[B2L]

I'm a huge Ron Paul supported as well, he is exactly what we need to turn this country around.

 

[Frisco]

He may be too honest for the White House. Honesty is seen as weakness by business interests that fund Presidential campaigns, sadly.

He'll likely be pushed out by one of the other Republican candidates who is seen as better at playing the game.

 

[B2L]

He may be too honest for the White House. Honesty is seen as weakness by business interests that fund Presidential campaigns, sadly.

He'll likely be pushed out by one of the other Republican candidates who is seen as better at playing the game.

Sadly, that is exactly what I expect to happen as well. :/ Herman Cain sounds pretty good, but there are some "important" issues that I disagree on. (In my opinion at least.) So I can't say he has earned my vote.

 

[weiss27md]

Everyone is trying to black out Ron Paul so His supporters have to support him rather than big corporations. Oct 19th is blackthisout.com

 

[Frisco]

Sadly, that is exactly what I expect to happen as well. :/ Herman Cain sounds pretty good, but there are some "important" issues that I disagree on. (In my opinion at least.) So I can't say he has earned my vote.

A Cain thread might be where I end up taking this, but for now, here, I'd like to ask you what differences bewteen Paul and Cain you see, especially the "important issues?"

 

[B2L]

The other stuff, pot decrim, abortion, death penalty and on and on, that's social stuff that changes with the wind and tides over time. No matter how we feel about issues such as those, they're going to only temporarily be the way we want them, I've noticed over time.

Mainly the social issues, I don't feel like I can support someone who seems so close minded to all of these issues. They may be "temporary issues" In your opinion, but I think things really need to change, marijuana has been illegal for quite a while now. Although, It's caused more problems than it has solved them. Our country spends way too much money on the war on drugs, when they could tax and regulate marijuana and completely help out this country. I personally believe it should be legal with similar laws to alcohol. Not only that but you can make pretty much anything from hemp. (Paper, clothes, etc.)

I am also a supporter of gay marriage, and believe people should be able to marry whoever they want.

A Cain thread might be where I end up taking this, but for now, here, I'd like to ask you what differences bewteen Paul and Cain you see, especially the "important issues?"

Other than the social issues I have mentioned, I think Herman Cain is great. Things have changed greatly over the years, and some of these issues aren't exactly temporary. I will support him if I have no other options, but I really think things need to change.

 

[Frisco]

Pot may have remained not legal for quite a while, but as a social issue it has changed greatly in my life time. There was a time what pot and heroin and crime and insanity were all mentioned in the same breath.

Now a bit of education has wised up most people about it, and has also caused many municipalities to basically ignore it being "bustable." Of course, we're seeing the Feds jump on it now, especially where it's been flaunted by merchants purporting to sell it as medicine.

But I digress. I have mixed feelings about all politicians, mainly because I'll never find one who is conservative minded about the same issues I am, and liberal minded about other issues (this is what I hate about partisan politics).

I feel that abortion is up to the woman involved. I feel that pot should be legal. I feel that the death penalty needs to be stopped until we have the technology to prove 100% whether or not the accused really committed the crime (far away future, I'm sure). I feel that affirmative action should only be applied for legal citizens and legal immigrants and only at the education level, not employment. I feel that marriage is up to two adults, non-blood related of course, no matter their gender/sexual orientation.

Etc. In other words, an issues politician, not a partisan politician. I doubt if I'll ever see it in my life time.

 

[B2L]

We share very similar political views. You really couldn't have said it better. I just feel that we should be more advanced in this day and age. I wish most people were just a little bit more open minded.

 

[OutofDate1980]

A Cain thread might be where I end up taking this, but for now, here, I'd like to ask you what differences bewteen Paul and Cain you see, especially the "important issues?"

I believe it's important to "follow the money". Politicians can and will say anything to get elected, but will not go against the wishes of those who supply the money.

Long ties to Koch brothers key to Cain&rsquo;s campaign - The Washington Post

"Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain has cast himself as the outsider, the pizza magnate with real-world experience who will bring fresh ideas to the nation

 

[weiss27md]

Cain's popular 999 plan will make most people pay more taxes or in the words of Cain, "those who buy new goods" Only the super rich will actually benefit. In if you want video of him saying that I will post it.

 

[electric monk]

Ron Paul's stance on Civil Rights is enough to make me stay well away.

 

[A.Nonymous]

Paul has zero chance of being nominated much less elected. He's viewed as an extremist by the very core of the party that he has to sway and nothing he does will change that. If Cain dropped out tomorrow, how many of his followers would go to Paul? Very few. They'd go to Romney, Perry or any one of the other candidates out there before they'd go to Paul. He lacks the ability to take votes from other candidates and appeal to a broad base. His base is rabid about him and that's fine, but he lacks the ability to expand beyond that.

 

[jerofld]

I believe it's important to "follow the money". Politicians can and will say anything to get elected, but will not go against the wishes of those who supply the money.

Long ties to Koch brothers key to Cain&rsquo;s campaign - The Washington Post

"Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain has cast himself as the outsider, the pizza magnate with real-world experience who will bring fresh ideas to the nation

 

[copestag]

The biggest problem with Ron Paul is that he talks about 2 minutes too long.... he comes off so 100% loveable and credible..... then wham he just keeps talking and removes any possibility for taking him serious......

ad libbed example:

I think we should fix <insert problem here> by <insert solution here>, and futhermore we should <insert worthy cause here>.... (applause applause applause).....and as soon as I get the aliens off my lawn Im gonna do it. (heh?)

If he had someone to smack the back of his head at just the right time he would be the ideal candidate for everyone.

 

[Frisco]

If he had someone to smack the back of his head at just the right time he would be the ideal candidate for everyone.

Isn't he married?

 

[jancat]

Its funny how Ron's ideas of putting power into the hands of the states is considered so 'radical'. Dismantling powerful government bodies will always be considered 'crazy-talk'.

Once you create a government agency it simply grows out of control.

Unfortunately, everyone is right... since money runs the country (and the world) the elite have every resource necessary to keep him out.

Doesn't it get tiring to watch this whole 'history thing' ... repeat itself?

 

[Frisco]

Its funny how Ron's ideas of putting power into the hands of the states is considered so 'radical'. Dismantling powerful government bodies will always be considered 'crazy-talk'.

That's a pet peeve of mine. Here in the state where I live there is a huge issue involving the Federal Government allowing/mandating/fighting for a crude oil pipeline to be routed right over the aquifer that supplies drinking water for most of this region. The company is Canadian, and more than one Canadian province (state) has disallowed the pipeline to pass through.

Now the state here is attempting to invoke state's rights about this in an effort to have the company re-route around those wetlands. The company has had dozens of spills and leaks, ruining grounds and causing massive cleanups.

Hillary Clinton has already "approved" the pipeline, having never read about or visited the areas in question. The oil is supposed to end up in Texas refineries.

 

[SamuraiBigEd]

Ron Paul shoots himself in the foot, way too often!

What did it for me...this time...his condemnation on the al-Awlaki killing, the guy is al-Qaida and as such is a target for the U.S. Military, it doesn't matter where he was born. He wants to extend protection to known terrorists because they are born in the U.S., the guy is a nutjob.

 

[Mayhem]

Ron Paul shoots himself in the foot, way too often!

What did it for me...this time...his condemnation on the al-Awlaki killing, the guy is al-Qaida and as such is a target for the U.S. Military, it doesn't matter where he was born. He wants to extend protection to known terrorists because they are born in the U.S., the guy is a nutjob.

His condemnation of the killing of al-Awlaki was justified. Not batting an eyelash at the fact that we assassiated a U.S. citizen (even if a terrorist) somehow makes it ok to do so with any other U.S. citizen.

Kinda reminds me of this:

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me."

 

[Bugman420]

I enjoyed it when his eyebrow fell off during the debate. Hilarious.

 

[weiss27md]

He's the only one that would repeal the Patriot Act which invades everyone's privacy.

 

[SamuraiBigEd]

His condemnation of the killing of al-Awlaki was justified. Not batting an eyelash at the fact that we assassiated a U.S. citizen (even if a terrorist) somehow makes it ok to do so with any other U.S. citizen.

Kinda reminds me of this:

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me."

I would say your argument holds merit except for the fact that al-Awlaki had left the US, was residing in the middle east and active as a terrorist. At that point he had forfeited his rights as a US citizen.