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Kim Jyong-Il confirmed dead Dec 19th 2011

Shinji01

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I must say, 2011 has been quite a year!

Because I spend half my time in japan and the other half in Australia, it has been an interesting year.

I experienced the earthquake in March, Steve Jobs died, and now Kim Jyong Il died too.

I don't know how much of an impact this news has in the US etc, and would like to know.
So, I opened a thread.

However, I am neither pro or con North Korea, communism etc.

I would hate to see haters and quarreling.

other than that, post away!!!
 
I must say, 2011 has been quite a year!

Because I spend half my time in japan and the other half in Australia, it has been an interesting year.

I experienced the earthquake in March, Steve Jobs died, and now Kim Jyong Il died too.

I don't know how much of an impact this news has in the US etc, and would like to know.
So, I opened a thread.

However, I am neither pro or con North Korea, communism etc.

I would hate to see haters and quarreling.

other than that, post away!!!
Don't forget Bin Laden and Khadaffi.
I don't know enough about his son to know if this will be a positive or negative for the US and the west, but it should be interesting to watch this play out, considering they are a nuclear state. Apparently the son is in his 20's, so hopefully he will have a more modern and rational world view. Also hope he will be more concerned about feeding and taking care of his own people.
 
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Don't forget Bin Laden and Khadaffi.
I don't know enough about his son to know if this will be a positive or negative for the US and the west, but it should be interesting to watch this play out, considering they are a nuclear state. Apparently the son is in his 20's, so hopefully he will have a more modern and rational world view. Also hope he will be more concerned about feeding and taking care of his own people.

i know! Thanks for pointing that out.
i had Bin ladin and Khadaffi in mind when I posted, but then i forgot to mention it.
i am totally brain dead today :(

I agree with you that maybe a new younger leader has a different approach in ruling his country.
At the same time, i hope that him being young and energetic doesn't drive him to try to prove himself as a strong leader by reigniting the war between South Korea, or posing threat on Japan.

Many news reports to mention that SK and Japan are on alert right now.

Such a tough year for japan. We have a nuclear power plant to take care of and a nuclear country right next door going through a drastic change in leadership.
 
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i know! Thanks for pointing that out.
i had Bin ladin and Khadaffi in mind when I posted, but then i forgot to mention it.
i am totally brain dead today :(

I agree with you that maybe a new younger leader has a different approach in ruling his country.
At the same time, i hope that him being young and energetic doesn't drive him to try to prove himself as a strong leader by reigniting the war between South Korea, or posing threat on Japan.

Many news reports to mention that SK and Japan are on alert right now.

Such a tough year for japan. We have a nuclear power plant to take care of and a nuclear country right next door going through a drastic change in leadership.
Yes, not much information to go on regarding the son, but it could obviously go either way. Just look at Saddam Hussein's sons.
 
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Hopefully Kim Jr. (or whatever his name is) uses the "Arab Spring" events as a learning tool, "this is what happens when you govern with an iron fist". The fact that he was schooled in Switzerland (per reports) hopefully is a good thing. I hope he's a world leader that understands that being peaceful isn't a sign of weakness. From what pictures I've seen of him, he does seem a little over-indulgent so I'm not sure what that means for the people of N. Korea. The Mayans might very well be right about 2012 though.... :eek:
 
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I hope he's a world leader that understands that being peaceful isn't a sign of weakness.

The problem as I see it is that there's a lot of the 'old guard' still in charge of the military who may not take kindly to a 20-something calling the shots. They belong to a bygone era that the rest of the socialist world, even PRC, left behind years ago.

I knew there were lots of elections going on, but to think that North Korea happens to join the same schedule is eerie.

A nice thought, but I doubt we'll see genuine democracy in the DPRK for some time yet.

I can never form a picture of what is going on over there.

You're not the only one. Search for night-time satellite images of the Korean peninsula - from the DMZ northwards it's completely dark! :)
 
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My kid spent 20 months over there, stationed near the DMZ and working close by. The prevailing wisdom seems to be that the North Koreans are far more afraid of the South Koreans than they are the Americans, and that they consider U.S. armed forces presence there a sort of "voice of reason" as to what they perceive as South Korean provocations, etc.

American forces are being cut back there, so, that along with the death of Big Daddy and promotion of his kid, I suppose we can expect some more tension mounting in months to come.
 
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I must say, 2011 has been quite a year!

Because I spend half my time in japan and the other half in Australia, it has been an interesting year.

I experienced the earthquake in March, Steve Jobs died, and now Kim Jyong Il died too.

I don't know how much of an impact this news has in the US etc, and would like to know.
So, I opened a thread.

However, I am neither pro or con North Korea, communism etc.

I would hate to see haters and quarreling.

other than that, post away!!!

I hope you do not confuse a natural disaster or the death on a decent man with the death of KJI. The man was a cruel despot and now he is dead. Christmas wishes do come true.
 
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I hope you do not confuse a natural disaster or the death on a decent man with the death of KJI. The man was a cruel despot and now he is dead. Christmas wishes do come true.

I'm not confusing the two/ three matters at all and do agree that the three matters are different.

However, I'm just talking about the mounting feeling of uncertainty, not the nature of the cause.This is the first time in my life when you really feel like there may be no tomorrow due to reasons out of your control.

Whether its a good guy or bad guy that died, or if it was a natural disaster, it still causes the same feeling of uncertainty if you are sitting right next to them and you find out that they launched a missile in your direction, as well as hoping that there is no huge earthquake again soon.

When you're just a person, war and natural disasters can be the same emotionally.




Anyhow, The 3rd son was named successor because he is the most in line to his fathers ideology.
i don't think anything will change for the better, if not for the worse.
 
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Hopefully it won't be anything too stupid. The US and NK are still technically at war.

The US and NK have never "technically" been at war........... the US was engaged in military action as part of a UN resolution. An action not even authorized by Congress, let alone declared war.

Lets just hope this guy doesnt feel the need to prove himself. If hes anything like his father who openly said on several occasions he was looking for any excuse to fire the nukes then we are in big trouble.
 
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Lets just hope this guy doesnt feel the need to prove himself. If hes anything like his father who openly said on several occasions he was looking for any excuse to fire the nukes then we are in big trouble.

Agreed Cope, let's hope for rational thought. However, the threat of a "hey world, I am in charge" moment is plausible!
 
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Anyone else hear the story that NK spread about Kim Jong Il, how he was born on a mountian top during a thunderstorm? lol such a good propaganda tool!?! :D

I'm really not sure how this will turn out. I'd like to think for the better, though, I'm not convinced. I don't know if I like the idea of a 20 something spoiled kid in charge of a country, especially a country with such strange and kinda scary recent events (trying to construct ICBMs for instance...).
 
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The US and NK have never "technically" been at war........... the US was engaged in military action as part of a UN resolution. An action not even authorized by Congress, let alone declared war.

Lets just hope this guy doesnt feel the need to prove himself. If hes anything like his father who openly said on several occasions he was looking for any excuse to fire the nukes then we are in big trouble.
This is all part of the propaganda. He was not as crazy as they wanted everybody to think. Saber rattling is part of the culture over there. He was eccentric, but not suicidal. They all know if they ever actually fired off a nuke, their country would be wiped off the map. The son might technically be in charge now, but believe me, the military and the communist party leaders have this guy on a short leash. They are more interested in using their nuclear weapons to extort money from the rest of the world than they are in actually using them.
 
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This is all part of the propaganda. He was not as crazy as they wanted everybody to think. Saber rattling is part of the culture over there. He was eccentric, but not suicidal. They all know if they ever actually fired off a nuke, their country would be wiped off the map. The son might technically be in charge now, but believe me, the military and the communist party leaders have this guy on a short leash. They are more interested in using their nuclear weapons to extort money from the rest of the world than they are in actually using them.
True say. The portrayal of these dictators as irrational megalomaniacs itching for a fight is almost always false. They're more scared of us than we are of them. After all, when they spend so many resources and effort on institutions like the secret police just to keep an iron grip on their seat of power, they're not going to risk losing it all in a conflict with the US are they?

Saber rattling is a staple of diplomacy in cultures all over the world when it comes to dealing with hostilities.
 
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There is one dot on the West coast which I'm guessing is Pyongyang but I wonder what the very faint one on the East coast is.

Maybe Hamhung? If memory serves me correctly it's sort-of opposite Pyongyang and the second or third most-populated city.

Here's a hi-res enhanced image courtesy of Plantet Observer/Science Photo Library:
C0044096-Korea_at_night%2C_satellite_image-SPL.jpg


All those bright spots north of Pyongyang are over the border in China, and those to the NE are in Russia. The port of Vladivostock is clearly visible extreme top-right.

Anyone else hear the story that NK spread about Kim Jong Il, how he was born on a mountian top during a thunderstorm? lol such a good propaganda tool!?! :D

According to official accounts he also neither urinated or defecated his entire life. Which, while obviously physiologically impossible for any human being, if true would explain a lot. ;)
 
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Anybody see the footage of the funeral procession today? Who knew N. Korea had so many good actors? They sure know how to act hysterical for the cameras, anyway.

Did you hear that Jyong un is missing or dead or whatever already?
At least that what the rumor is in Japan right now.

I read in a Japanese forum somewhere saying " I have another gig. I have to go and act hysterical, cry and pound the ground with my fists again. It's so tiring..." LOL
 
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