Apple iPad 3 launch => Android win? Apple win?

[jonmorris]

If anyone wonders why anyone would queue for a week for a new Apple product, when it turned out you could walk into any Currys/PC World and get any new iPad you wanted without any wait at all, on the day of release - this is why. People wanted to be welcomed like heroes - and Apple certainly didn't disappoint.

Why people queued for the new iPad at an Apple Store - YouTube

And here's the first person to walk into the Apple Store this morning (not filmed today, nor by me)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-tlwfUcuXI

 

[EarlyMon]

I'm waiting with bated breath for a reviewer to shoot the "new" iPad (tired of typing that already) and a bunch of other tablets with good screens from 15" away with a D-SLR and put up the full-size images for comparison. But of course they haven't.

If/when they do, that will just create more controversy. The DSLR will digitally sampling the digital displays and then whatever is produced will be put on a web page where peoples displays won't match pixel-to-pixel for either the iPad or the DSLR. In other words, you'll get two significant digital sampling errors in the attempt.

I got halfway into your first sentence and thought you were going to talk about one of those youtubes where people actually shoot mobile devices or otherwise destroy them for some sort of comedy value.

I think it'll be a race between those and the DSLR "proof" battles.

If anyone wonders why anyone would queue for a week for a new Apple product, when it turned out you could walk into any Currys/PC World and get any new iPad you wanted without any wait at all, on the day of release - this is why. People wanted to be welcomed like heroes - and Apple certainly didn't disappoint.

Welcomed like heroes??

For the sake of all that's holy - why??

 

[jonmorris]

Welcomed like heroes??

For the sake of all that's holy - why??

Who knows... but anyone with any sense would have ordered online or just gone out and bought one on the way to work, or at lunchtime!

I've been told on another forum that all PC World stores, bar one, still have at least 5 in stock at each location (likely much more - but that's when a store classes itself as out of stock for online ordering/reservations).

Look at the second video I just added. He was the first person to walk in, and when he did so he stopped and got down to kiss the floor while being cheered! I doubt he'd have been happy to just have his new iPad delivered by UPS at 10am without having to have been in a queue outside the store for around eight days!

 

[EarlyMon]

Well, it was his first iPad (if I heard that correctly) and he's suitably excited, can't wait sort of thing. He was just beaming with happiness, and there's far too few people in the world beaming with happiness.

So, I rather liked the second vid.

 

[eelpout]

If/when they do, that will just create more controversy. The DSLR will digitally sampling the digital displays and then whatever is produced will be put on a web page where peoples displays won't match pixel-to-pixel for either the iPad or the DSLR. In other words, you'll get two significant digital sampling errors in the attempt.

I got halfway into your first sentence and thought you were going to talk about one of those youtubes where people actually shoot mobile devices or otherwise destroy them for some sort of comedy value.

waiting for the "will it blend?" video....

Yeah, should have said "photograph" rather than "shoot", heh.

You're right of course, the test itself will come into question like always.

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FYI, someone (from Australia) posted some benchmark tests with the iPad and Transformer Prime:YouTube

 

[EarlyMon]

I find screen-off graphics benchmarks measuring frame rates to be rather useless.

Both tablets can update the screen 60 times per second. You can't get 70, 100, 250 or more frames in a second on that sort of display.

But, that's just me.

 

[Remeniz]

Samsung aids iPad launch.

And it seems that since people realised that it contains Samsung parts, Samsung's share price increased.

 

[psychotron]

Samsung aids iPad launch.

And it seems that since people realised that it contains Samsung parts, Samsung's share price increased.

Samsung was very smart to take that "if you can't beat em, join em" attitude. Makes them some nice revenue.

 

[jonmorris]

It's not exactly the first time. While Apple has bought some companies and developed some of its own technology, it does still buy an awful lot of it in from third parties, including its competitors.

At the end of the day, business is business. So, whether it's Sony giving Apple its Exmor R sensor, or Samsung (or LG) giving Apple its advanced screen technology, it doesn't matter what other problems/battles they may have elsewhere in the business.

Even the processor and GPU will have been brought together and fabricated on a single chip for Apple. Then it's all built by a factory that makes stuff for other companies too.

 

[psychotron]

waiting for the "will it blend?" video....

Yeah, should have said "photograph" rather than "shoot", heh.

You're right of course, the test itself will come into question like always.

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FYI, someone (from Australia) posted some benchmark tests with the iPad and Transformer Prime:YouTube

Nice, about what most were expecting. The iPad pretty easily outperforms the Tegra 3 in graphics based benchmarks and the Tegra is slightly better when it comes to browser based tests.

 

[A.Nonymous]

Samsung was very smart to take that "if you can't beat em, join em" attitude. Makes them some nice revenue.

Unless I'm mistaken, Samsung has always made parts for Apple. Even when they weren't making competing devices they still made parts for Apple. Now that they're making competing devices nothing has changed.

 

[jamisont]

Samsung was very smart to take that "if you can't beat em, join em" attitude. Makes them some nice revenue.

Samsung was major part supplier for apple for years.(ipod, iphone and ipad)
After feud, apple seeker after others but still have to rely on samsung cuz not many can meet apple's requirement and can mass produce it.

Samsung still makes AP for iphone, ipad. Display for ipad (first batch of new ipad, LG couldnt produce enough for ipad2 so samsung started to provide ipad2.)

 

[jamisont]

Nice, about what most were expecting. The iPad pretty easily outperforms the Tegra 3 in graphics based benchmarks and the Tegra is slightly better when it comes to browser based tests.

It mainly due to OS difference. On android cpu handles UI while gpu handles UI on ios, so better cpu is required on android and better gpu is required on ios.

100fps is nice but 60 is all you need.

 

[eelpout]

All is not sweetness and retina-filling light in new iPad-land:

New iPad problems (dead pixels, overheating, scratched etc) - MacRumors Forums

Not surprised at any of the early problems people are having. While the screen issues may be resolved via manufacturing over time (eh, tell that to my yellow be-spotted screen iMac), the heat of that GPU probably not. They already idle that thing down as much as possible to save the battery.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I'm hearing complaints as well about the "retina display". Apparently, unless an app is coded specifically for it, it doesn't scale and looks horrible. Even the HD apps for the iPad 2 don't look right unless they're updated. The updated apps that are coded to take advantage of the screen look amazing from what I hear, but the non-updated apps don't since iOS apps don't scale the way Android apps do.

 

[psychotron]

I'm hearing complaints as well about the "retina display". Apparently, unless an app is coded specifically for it, it doesn't scale and looks horrible. Even the HD apps for the iPad 2 don't look right unless they're updated. The updated apps that are coded to take advantage of the screen look amazing from what I hear, but the non-updated apps don't since iOS apps don't scale the way Android apps do.

Wrong. I have plenty of apps from my iPad 2 that look great on the new one. Angry Birds HD looks amazing haha. Only ones that look bad are the ones like Instagram and others that are iPhone apps, but they looked bad on the iPad 2 as well.

 

[Covart]

I'm hearing complaints as well about the "retina display". Apparently, unless an app is coded specifically for it, it doesn't scale and looks horrible. Even the HD apps for the iPad 2 don't look right unless they're updated. The updated apps that are coded to take advantage of the screen look amazing from what I hear, but the non-updated apps don't since iOS apps don't scale the way Android apps do.

doesn't surprise me, considering the amount of app updates for 5.1 and the new ipads display I have gotten in the last couple of days.

I'm an Apple and iOS user, but I am chuckling. There was no way I would ever give up my jailbroken and customized iPad 2, for a non-jailbroken iPad. I don't care if the resolution is better. A jailbroken iDevice is > a normal iDevice x10000!
But if they do jailbreak the new ipad, I have to wonder if the tweak RetinaPad would fix the scaling issue? It currently allows me to take the small iphone apps and scale them to fit the ipad screen without looking pixeled out. And didn't Apple see this issue coming? What the Frack???

 

[psychotron]

I'm an Apple and iOS user, but I am chuckling. There was no way I would ever give up my jailbroken and customized iPad 2, for a non-jailbroken iPad. I don't care if the resolution is better. A jailbroken iDevice is > a normal iDevice x10000!

IF they jailbreak the new iPad? LOL

iOS 5.1 Untethered Jailbreak on iPad 3: Three Different Jailbreaks Surface on Day 1 [PHOTOS & VIDEO] - International Business Times

 

[Covart]

IF they jailbreak the new iPad? LOL

iOS 5.1 Untethered Jailbreak on iPad 3: Three Different Jailbreaks Surface on Day 1 [PHOTOS & VIDEO] - International Business Times

jailbroken by devs, does not mean it IS jailbroken. There needs to be a public exploit for there to be a jailbreak that everyone can use. Otherwise, there is no point.

Those video's only highlight the possibility exists. Nothing more.

 

[psychotron]

jailbroken by devs, does not mean it IS jailbroken. There needs to be a public exploit for there to be a jailbreak that everyone can use. Otherwise, there is no point.

Those video's only highlight the possibility exists. Nothing more.

Yea, so wait a week for it to be released...

 

[Covart]

Yea, so wait a week for it to be released...

we'll be lucky if we see it in a month or at all, prior to 6.0 release. i0n1c had many people go and download Kakaotalk and this may have an exploit for his jailbreak. If true, Apple will pull the app pretty quickly.

i still wont update to 5.1, as there is no need. you can spoof a jailbroken iphone or iPad in to thinking it is on 5.1 and download any app specific to the 5.1 release, like iMovie, Pages, etc...

 

[jonmorris]

It might be worth holding off the jailbreaking until Apple releases at least one iOS update to fix what are bound to be a number of bugs, or to manage the battery better, or limit the processor when it overheats - or whatever.

I see on another forum talk about screen problems, with dead pixels or dirt. A lot of people defend it by saying out of millions the percentage is tiny, but one person contradicted himself by saying the chances of having a dodgy screen is tiny - then saying he'd had THREE iPad 2's replaced, so he could say how great Apple was at replacing them.

Fair play to Apple, but if he'd had three dodgy iPad 2's, it sort of suggests a rather higher percentage of problem devices - unless he was incredibly unlucky!!

 

[A.Nonymous]

Wrong. I have plenty of apps from my iPad 2 that look great on the new one. Angry Birds HD looks amazing haha. Only ones that look bad are the ones like Instagram and others that are iPhone apps, but they looked bad on the iPad 2 as well.

Angry Birds HD is one I've seen mentioned several places as not looking as good on the iPad 3 as it does on the iPad 2.

 

[Covart]

It might be worth holding off the jailbreaking until Apple releases at least one iOS update to fix what are bound to be a number of bugs, or to manage the battery better, or limit the processor when it overheats - or whatever.

I see on another forum talk about screen problems, with dead pixels or dirt. A lot of people defend it by saying out of millions the percentage is tiny, but one person contradicted himself by saying the chances of having a dodgy screen is tiny - then saying he'd had THREE iPad 2's replaced, so he could say how great Apple was at replacing them.

Fair play to Apple, but if he'd had three dodgy iPad 2's, it sort of suggests a rather higher percentage of problem devices - unless he was incredibly unlucky!!

it would not surprise me if there are a number of people that have dead pixels, yellow tint, or backlight bleed. i have bought 3 ipads in total and two of them had minor backlight bleed, while the 3rd looked perfect. but I have had monitors and Tv's from various manufacturers that also had minor light bleed issues. Dead pixels are another story or dirt. But if less than 1000 or even 10000 people have issues out of 60 million, it really is a very small issue, and frankly I would expect it. Luckily, Apple takes back the crap and gives you a brown box or new ipad to replace it without much fuss.

 

[psychotron]

Interesting read

What devs say about iPad (but not Android tablets) — Mobile Technology News