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Sean Payton of New Orleans Saints banned one year for bounties - ESPN


ESPN said:
The NFL came down hard on the New Orleans Saints on Wednesday.

Saints coach Sean Payton has been suspended for one year, former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was suspended indefinitely, general manager Mickey Loomis was suspended for the first eight regular-season games, the team was fined $500,000 and lost two second-round draft picks (one in 2012 and '13) as a result of a bounty program conducted by the team during the 2009-11 seasons that targeted opposing players.

Saints assistant coach Joe Vitt also was suspended six games and fined $100,000. The NFL said in its statement that the suspensions for Payton, Loomis and Vitt are without pay.

Payton's suspension is effective April 1. Commissioner Roger Goodell will meet with Williams after the 2012 season and determine the coach's status.

"We are all accountable and responsible for player health and safety and the integrity of the game," Goodell said in a statement announcing the punishments. "We will not tolerate conduct or a culture that undermines those priorities. No one is above the game or the rules that govern it. Respect for the game and the people who participate in it will not be compromised.

"A combination of elements made this matter particularly unusual and egregious," Goodell said. "When there is targeting of players for injury and cash rewards over a three-year period, the involvement of the coaching staff, and three years of denials and willful disrespect of the rules, a strong and lasting message must be sent that such conduct is totally unacceptable and has no place in the game."

The Saints now must decide who will coach the team while Payton is barred and who will make roster moves while Loomis is out.

Punishment for any Saints players involved will be determined later, because the league is still reviewing the case with the NFL Players Association.

Details of an NFL investigation released at the beginning on March reported that the Saints' bounty program gave thousands of dollars in payoffs to players for hits that knocked targeted opponents out of games. The NFL said the amounts reached their height in 2009, the season the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Williams, now defensive coordinator of the Rams, has admitted to and apologized for running the program.

Payton and Loomis apologized and took the blame for violations that "happened under our watch," but not until almost a week after the NFL pointed to them for failing to stop the program.

The NFL said payoffs went to 22 to 27 defensive players for inflicting game-ending injuries on targeted opponents, including quarterbacks Brett Favre and Kurt Warner. "Knockouts" were worth $1,500 and "cart-offs" $1,000, with payments doubled or tripled for the playoffs.

All payouts for specific performances in a game, including interceptions or causing fumbles, are against NFL rules. The NFL warns teams against such practices before each season, although in the aftermath of the revelations about the Saints, current and former players from various teams talked about that sort of thing happening frequently -- although not on the same scale as the NFL found in New Orleans.

Goodell has frequently taken a hard line on any action that threatens player safety. He suspended Detroit's Ndamukong Suh for two games for stomping on an opponent last season; banned Pittsburgh's James Harrison for one game after a series of flagrant hits that culminated in a collision with Cleveland quarterback Colt McCoy's helmet; and has ramped up the amount of fines for what the league terms "egregious hits."

The Saints' punishment dwarfs the penalty given to the New England Patriots for the 2007 Spygate scandal.

Goodell fined the Patriots $250,000 and their coach, Bill Belichick, $500,000, when the team was caught illegally videotaping the Jets' sideline. New England also was stripped of a first-round draft pick.


Seems a little excessive IMO. Unless the coaches were deliberately motivating these players to hurt the players on the opposing teams, then I don't see what the big deal is. You want your players to perform the best, you give them incentives for playing hard.
 
Sean Payton of New Orleans Saints banned one year for bounties - ESPN





Seems a little excessive IMO. Unless the coaches were deliberately motivating these players to hurt the players on the opposing teams, then I don't see what the big deal is. You want your players to perform the best, you give them incentives for playing hard.

If giving them $1,000 for a cart off and $1,500 for take outs isn't deliberately motivating them to hurt other players, then I'm not sure what is.
 
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How come the commissioner gave the New England Patriots a past when they was clearly cheating with the video taping of teams? He also destroyed the evidence. Robert Kraft help put Roger Goodell in office and are buddies thats why. This punishment is way too excessive when bounty for heads has been going on in the NFL forever. This is not a safe sport no matter how you try to make it safe, no sport is safe.
 
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This whole thing is SO blown out of proportion. EVERY team has a similar program and has since the day organized football started. I feel bad for the Saint's fans as they're being the most punished here and that's the LAST thing N.O. fans need right now.

I think it's funny how people refer to the Curt Warner hit as proof. WTF?!? You clearly don't watch football. Even Warner said that he was trying to make a play on the ball after an interception and was fair game. He said that the guy didn't go for his knees or his head and hit him solid center mass. He said that he didn't see anything malicious with that hit and HE'S the one who got hit! lol
 
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this is not about player safety.

this is entirely about NFL policy, which was laid down 3 seasons ago, and has been on going and investigated though that entire time.

the Saints personnel lied. the Saints players lied. they got caught. just because every team likely has a similar conduct does not make it right in any way. EVERYONE was told it was to stop. 3 freakin' seasons ago. Saints got caught. Saints lied. Saints covered it up.

if they had just stopped when they were told to stop, they wouldn't be in this predicament now....would they?

and that's why the punishment is so harsh. the message was sent. do what we tell you to do, or else you're gonna get smacked down.
 
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this is not about player safety.

this is entirely about NFL policy, which was laid down 3 seasons ago, and has been on going and investigated though that entire time.

the Saints personnel lied. the Saints players lied. they got caught. just because every team likely has a similar conduct does not make it right in any way. EVERYONE was told it was to stop. 3 freakin' seasons ago. Saints got caught. Saints lied. Saints covered it up.

if they had just stopped when they were told to stop, they wouldn't be in this predicament now....would they?

and that's why the punishment is so harsh. the message was sent. do what we tell you to do, or else you're gonna get smacked down.

While I do think the punishment is VERY severe, I think the Saints really made things worse on themselves by lying about it to investigators after the fact.
 
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In no way do I think the punishments are too harsh. There is difference between getting paid to play a full contact sport. Getting paid to intentionally hurt another isn't the same and is making it come close to the line of a blood sport which is generally frowned upon. You may say the players know the risk of injury each Sunday at the time they are putting on the uniform but the chances of a player getting hurt when someone is playing football compared to when someone is trying to hurt you while playing football are quite different.
 
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The biggest problem I have is the NFL used to market its "big hits" and that was one of the NFL's biggest draws. Hell, just look at all the NFL "Hardest hits" VHS tapes and DVDs that were available just a few years ago. Amazon.com: The Best of Thunder and Destruction - NFL's Hardest Hits [VHS]: Various: Movies & TV


Now that players have decided to sue the NFL (with good reason since once you're exploited and run into the ground, I understand the care isn't what it used to be), the NFL is trying to minimize its liability.
 
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The biggest problem I have is the NFL used to market its "big hits" and that was one of the NFL's biggest draws. Hell, just look at all the NFL "Hardest hits" VHS tapes and DVDs that were available just a few years ago. Amazon.com: The Best of Thunder and Destruction - NFL's Hardest Hits [VHS]: Various: Movies & TV


Now that players have decided to sue the NFL (with good reason since once you're exploited and run into the ground, I understand the care isn't what it used to be), the NFL is trying to minimize its liability.

Yeah, they used the huge hits to put them on the map with bits like 'Jacked up!' and similar and selling the prints of big hit moments and selling entire video collections of bone jarring hits and now, suddenly, they're 100% against all of it & we're supposed to believe they care about player safety just now. ORLY?
 
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Yeah, they used the huge hits to put them on the map with bits like 'Jacked up!' and similar and selling the prints of big hit moments and selling entire video collections of bone jarring hits and now, suddenly, they're 100% against all of it & we're supposed to believe they care about player safety just now. ORLY?

The difference I see is you can have a big hit but it be something that happens naturally in the course of the game, that happens and I don't see a problem. But setting out with an agenda to injure someone is changing the game.

Safety has been a priority for a while. Rules about helmets, horse collar tackles, helmet to helmet hit...all implemented for player safety, sure if/when a player gets hurt they are going to capitalize on it but the safety of the players is also important, just because it is a violent sport doesn't mean they don't care about the players.

Yes, he deserved punishment, but this is outragous and far to severe. Makes my blood boil just thinking about it.

IMO he got what he earned. They wanted to set a standard that you do not do this to prevent it from happening again. I would be willing to bet if it does happen again with another team the punishment is going to be worse.
 
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IMO he got what he earned. They wanted to set a standard that you do not do this to prevent it from happening again. I would be willing to bet if it does happen again with another team the punishment is going to be worse.

The only thing worse would be a lifetime ban. Let's not forget suspended without pay. So he basically got a 7 million dollar fine. That's just outragous.
 
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He shouldn't have let that go on. Do you think after seeing what they got any other team will allow this to happen again?

You can't honestly believe the saints were thr only NFL team doing this. I dont disagree that he should be punished but the punishment is way to excessive. Even most of the ex players/anaylast agree the punishment does not fit the crime.
Not to mention how screwed up the NFL appeals proceuis. Roger Goodell is basically a dictator. He is the judge, jury, and excetioner of the NFL. Everything has to go through him, a d thats not how an appeal process should work.
 
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