.::Incredible 4g Speculation and Rumor Thread::.

[vzwuser76]

But to me that's like buying a Ferrari and using it to ferry the kids back and forth 5 miles to school and to run to the grocery store a mile a way. Why? That's not what you buy that phone for. My home Internet connection is 25 mbps. I could theoretically install software or set up some system to throttle my connection to 3 mbps when I'm not actively using the computer. Why in the world would I do that though?

You just contradicted yourself. Your general day to day stuff like web browsing & sending texts is like ferrying the kids & getting the groceries, so you're essentially using a Ferrari to do that & are then complaining about bad mileage (or battery life in this case).

On the flip side, most people who have Ferraris aren't always using them at max speed. You May think that's a waste, but in the end, THEY'RE IN A FERRARI! They still have the capability to go 200 mph+, they don't have to do so constantly. And I guarantee you that anyone who has a high performance vehicle and gets bad mileage, if they had a button they could push and get 1/3 better mileage with 1/2 the power when they're not lighting up the autobahn, they'd jump on it.

When Verizon announced LTE, they never said we'd get the same or better battery life, they'd just said it'd be faster. Faster always means more energy consumption.

The ironic thing in all of this is the people complaining about having to push a few buttons to save battery life. How many keypresses have you made typing your reasoning for not having to press a few buttons.

 

[jamala00]

The main reasons they're able to get such a bigger battery in the Maxx are:
1. As said earlier, it is taller and wider, which is helps even more because of #2.
2. With a non removable battery, there is no need for a battery tray. With a removable battery you need a tray to both hold the battery & to seal off the mainboard from the user/ elements. On a phone with a non removable battery, the battery can be soldered right to the main board, and there is no worry about the main board being exposed because the casing is sealed. Eliminating the battery tray opens up a lot of space for a larger battery.

Ya, that makes perfect sense that if you don't have to account for the battery tray and of course the plastic back that needs to be molded and such for snapping together. I get that! That said the iPhone is not much thinner then my original DInc, and it has a non removable back.

iPhone 4s - 4.5 x 2.31 x 0.27 inches
org DInc - 4.63 x 2.30 x 0.47 inches

So ya, the Inc is 2 tenths of an inch thicker and that is a comparison between 2 phones basically with the same Height and Width. One with a removable back and one without... So now you add the size of the Maxx in there and you get a very thin phone. Anyway that was all I was saying in my original response...

 

[hilmar2k]

Ya, that makes perfect sense that if you don't have to account for the battery tray and of course the plastic back that needs to be molded and such for snapping together. I get that! That said the iPhone is not much thinner then my original DInc, and it has a non removable back.

iPhone 4s - 4.5 x 2.31 x 0.27 inches
org DInc - 4.63 x 2.30 x 0.47 inches

So ya, the Inc is 2 tenths of an inch thicker and that is a comparison between 2 phones basically with the same Height and Width. One with a removable back and one without... So now you add the size of the Maxx in there and you get a very thin phone. Anyway that was all I was saying in my original response...

Not that much thinner?!?!? It's 43% thinner based on the dimensions you just posted.

 

[A.Nonymous]

You just contradicted yourself. Your general day to day stuff like web browsing & sending texts is like ferrying the kids & getting the groceries, so you're essentially using a Ferrari to do that & are then complaining about bad mileage (or battery life in this case).

On the flip side, most people who have Ferraris aren't always using them at max speed. You May think that's a waste, but in the end, THEY'RE IN A FERRARI! They still have the capability to go 200 mph+, they don't have to do so constantly. And I guarantee you that anyone who has a high performance vehicle and gets bad mileage, if they had a button they could push and get 1/3 better mileage with 1/2 the power when they're not lighting up the autobahn, they'd jump on it.

When Verizon announced LTE, they never said we'd get the same or better battery life, they'd just said it'd be faster. Faster always means more energy consumption.

The ironic thing in all of this is the people complaining about having to push a few buttons to save battery life. How many keypresses have you made typing your reasoning for not having to press a few buttons.

If you're not supposed to use LTE for everyday stuff, why not have the OS manage it so you're not using it for everyday stuff? To me it's ridiculous to put a feature on a phone and then basically tell people that they're not supposed to use it. The phone wasn't designed to use that feature. Yes, it's there, but you're really not supposed to use it as it has the deleterious effect of limiting your battery life to like 3 hours. So don't use that feature. But we're going to advertise it as a selling point.

 

[NightAngel79]

I will say that I get acceptable battery life using 4g. I just retired my extended battery and because of that I will do things a little different now... just saying...


Can't wait to see what, if any, improvements htc has made with battery life on this phone

 

[NightStalker]

Rezound is 5.08 x 2.58 x 0.54
Razr is 5.15 x 2.71 x 0.28

There is a difference there in dimensions. I had the Rezound and took out the battery. It didn't fit the whole dimension of the phone. You can see how small the battery fits in the phone here. HTC didn't use much of the width/height phone for the battery, so it is thick.

Hands-On : HTC Rezound Review, Features And Specification

Now, look at the width and height of the Razr battery and tell us how dimensions didn't play a factor in its ability to keep the phone thin.

Remove the Motorola RAZR & RAZR MAXX Battery | Android Advice & Tutorials

If you use more area in width/height of the back of the phone, you can make the phone thinner.

Your original statement was "Wider dimensions on the MAXX phone allow the manufacturer to put a thinner battery in the back.". The point I was trying to make was that by the numbers the MAXX is not that much wider than the rezound. However, it looks larger and feels larger due to it's shape. Yes the MAXX is slightly wider, but the real reason for it's battery life is that it was designed from the beginning to be thin and house a very large battery. The One series was built the same way. The incredible, incredible 2, and Rezound all appear to have been engineered without the thought of the battery. It's as if at the end someone said "Oh crap, what do we do with this huge battery?" I love my incredible, but I could do without the bizarre phone back. And to see the incredible 4g built the same way as the incredible is a little frustrating. Some people may like the back and that is fine.

 

[jamala00]

Not that much thinner?!?!? It's 43% thinner based on the dimensions you just posted.

Here let me break it down in mm for you...

iPhone thickness - 9.3mm
Inc thickness - 11.9

So you are talking 2.5 mm... Maybe that is a lot to you? It isn't to me. Especially if they measured the Inc from the thickest part of the phone which is where the camera sticks up from the back cover. That is 2mm right there. Then your only talking about .6mm difference...

 

[jamala00]

Your original statement was "Wider dimensions on the MAXX phone allow the manufacturer to put a thinner battery in the back.". The point I was trying to make was that by the numbers the MAXX is not that much wider than the rezound. However, it looks larger and feels larger due to it's shape. Yes the MAXX is slightly wider, but the real reason for it's battery life is that it was designed from the beginning to be thin and house a very large battery. The One series was built the same way. The incredible, incredible 2, and Rezound all appear to have been engineered without the thought of the battery. It's as if at the end someone said "Oh crap, what do we do with this huge battery?" I love my incredible, but I could do without the bizarre phone back. And to see the incredible 4g built the same way as the incredible is a little frustrating. Some people may like the back and that is fine.

I think the size and weight of the Inc 2 is good. I had the rezound for a week and thought that thing was a brick. Ya, the Maxx may be slightly bigger then the rezound but that thing just looks and feels huge. I still have the original DInc. Hope the size and feel of this phone is at least the similar to the Dinc 2.

 

[TheAtheistReverend]

Here let me break it down in mm for you...

iPhone thickness - 9.3mm
Inc thickness - 11.9

So you are talking 2.5 mm... Maybe that is a lot to you? It isn't to me. Especially if they measured the Inc from the thickest part of the phone which is where the camera sticks up from the back cover. That is 2mm right there. Then your only talking about .6mm difference...

Measurements are rarely taken from the thickest part of the phone in these cases. Look at the specs or the Razr thickness.. Have you seen the bulbous head on that thing!?

 

[jamala00]

Measurements are rarely taken from the thickest part of the phone in these cases. Look at the specs or the Razr thickness.. Have you seen the bulbous head on that thing!?

Ya.. It's hideous... LOL... Anyway back to the Inc4 rumors and speculations...
I think we all agree that the 2 things that make up the thickness of the phone\battery is the l*w*h thing and the fixed back cover... LOL... Just can't wait to see this new phone in the store.. here's to hoping it isn't May 10th, but sooner..:tee:

 

[NightxFall]

Just can't wait to see this new phone in the store.. here's to hoping it isn't May 10th, but sooner..:tee:

Amen. I don't see the reason in selling cases and extended batteries two weeks before the phone comes out. Doesn't really make much sense to me. I think it'll be launched next week.

 

[vzwuser76]

If you're not supposed to use LTE for everyday stuff, why not have the OS manage it so you're not using it for everyday stuff? To me it's ridiculous to put a feature on a phone and then basically tell people that they're not supposed to use it. The phone wasn't designed to use that feature. Yes, it's there, but you're really not supposed to use it as it has the deleterious effect of limiting your battery life to like 3 hours. So don't use that feature. But we're going to advertise it as a selling point.

No one is telling you you're not supposed to use it, but if you do use it you risk less battery life. On any high end phone they tout the screen, and most of the time they are set on full brightness, because it looks much more vibrant. But if you leave it like that it's going to eat more battery. Hell, when you buy an HDTV one of the first things they tell you to do is adjust the levels like brightness & contrast to prolong the life of the display, even though those levels are what you see when you view them in the store. Going back to the Ferrari analogy, or any performance car for that matter, the selling point is the performance. How fast it can go 0-60, top speed, how it handles in corners, etc. But I bet if you ran it to it's full capabilities all the time, you'd have a pile of tickets, maybe end up in jail, and probably use your insurance. Point is just because the manufacturer uses those features as a selling point, it doesn't mean that using it that way won't have drawbacks.

Now, do I think HTC should sacrifice some thinness and stuff a larger battery in their phones? Yes I do, but that's not the only culprit. LTE is a new technology, and as such there will be teething issues. When phone manufacturers went to 3G, there were the same problems with battery life in respect to previous data standards. But with time it got better. With smartphones the issue isn't just data connection, but with display size & processing power moving beyond current battery tech. Until the LTE standard matures and we have a breakthrough in battery tech, the only options are a larger battery or cutting back things that consume the most juice. So as I said before, I'm not saying to not use LTE, but if you do, its gonna eat the battery. It is what it is. HTC has made their stance clear (that customers want thinner phones more than battery life). So until that changes we're looking at more of the same. I just don't get what's so difficult with switching to 3G went you don't really need it. With the phoneinfo app you simply open it, select phone, change the network dropdown menu from CDMA+LTE to CDMA Only, and done. That's less than 3 seconds if you really need to use LTE.

 

[Skeeter125]

If you're not supposed to use LTE for everyday stuff, why not have the OS manage it so you're not using it for everyday stuff? To me it's ridiculous to put a feature on a phone and then basically tell people that they're not supposed to use it. The phone wasn't designed to use that feature. Yes, it's there, but you're really not supposed to use it as it has the deleterious effect of limiting your battery life to like 3 hours. So don't use that feature. But we're going to advertise it as a selling point.

That's what smart actions are for. Not to mention if they added that just for lte devices it would be one more thing holding up updates and people like you would be complaining about....

 

[A.Nonymous]

That's what smart actions are for. Not to mention if they added that just for lte devices it would be one more thing holding up updates and people like you would be complaining about....

So why advertise 4G as a major feature on a phone if you're not supposed to use it or only use it sparingly?

 

[NightxFall]

So why advertise 4G as a major feature on a phone if you're not supposed to use it or only use it sparingly?

Did you read anything anyone has said thus far?

 

[question729]

So why advertise 4G as a major feature on a phone if you're not supposed to use it or only use it sparingly?

Why not? It's the fastest speed available to us right now. The biggest, fastest, strongest... it's all about superlatives in marketing. I'm used to turning on 3G only when needed, so switching speeds would be a heck of a lot better than having no data at all. Yes, it would be better to have it all the time, but battery tech is just not there yet so I'm willing to make do.

 

[Skeeter125]

So why advertise 4G as a major feature on a phone if you're not supposed to use it or only use it sparingly?

Because other than the maxx what lte phone have they advertised the battery life? Not to mention it's a world where everyone wants the latest and fastest and this comes to data speeds also. You just fail to see what myself and many others have been saying for 10+ posts.

 

[blackepoxy]

Been lurking...
I have to say, it's all about effective management.
For those who won't micro manage or take the time to understand an app like Juice Defender, you will have horrible LTE battery life by letting it freely be connected the whole time the device is turned on.
I don't even do that with 3G. Leaving it on when not needed is a waste. You walk out of a room and turn the light switch off, usually, huh?
Nuff said...

 

[bberryhill0]

You just fail to see what myself and many others have been saying for 10+ posts.

I fail to see why the phone can't limit 4G use to when it is useful and turn it off the rest of the time. Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[blackepoxy]

I fail to see why the phone can't limit 4G use to when it is useful and turn it off the rest of the time. Seems pretty simple to me.

+1
Yes, you do have a point there.

 

[ghost88]

Got some news for you guys. Droid Incredible 4G is Due within the first 2 weeks of May. Pricing is set to be at $249.99.

We were giving this information yesterday, when our district manager came by the store. Were having a contest where we will win one. Only problem is it goes to person who sells the Most MBB Units.

 

[icarius]

$249 is a nonstarter.

 

[vzwuser76]

I fail to see why the phone can't limit 4G use to when it is useful and turn it off the rest of the time. Seems pretty simple to me.

The problem there is what do you define as when it's useful, and will your definition be the same as other people's definition? My definition would be when downloading large files, but someone like A.nonymous wants it on constantly. Maybe someone else wants it for large files and web browsing. See what I'm getting at here? The programmers could use their best guess, but someone will always be disappointed with the end result. Now many have mentioned using an app like Juice Defender, which apparently allows the user to set the parameters of when things turn on or off. I haven't used it, but if that is indeed what it does, why not install & use that rather than get angry at the manufacturer for not having it preloaded? That's what apps are for, to tailor your phone to your specific needs. And you know if the OEM had something like that preloaded, there would be some people angry for installing "bloat" on their phone. The main point is, the OEMs can't please everyone, so they take it to a certain level, and then it's up to the end user to customize it to their needs. So get to customizing.

 

[ashykat]

Got some news for you guys. Droid Incredible 4G is Due within the first 2 weeks of May. Pricing is set to be at $249.99.

We were giving this information yesterday, when our district manager came by the store. Were having a contest where we will win one. Only problem is it goes to person who sells the Most MBB Units.

I really, really hope they were misinformed in some way. AT&T is selling the One X for $199, Sprint is selling the Evo 4G LTE for $199, you can get a GNex from amazon wireless for $49 for **** sake. This phone looks awesome, but $249 is ridiculous.

 

[powdbyrice]

Got some news for you guys. Droid Incredible 4G is Due within the first 2 weeks of May. Pricing is set to be at $249.99.

We were giving this information yesterday, when our district manager came by the store. Were having a contest where we will win one. Only problem is it goes to person who sells the Most MBB Units.

that's in line with T-mo's one-s. $250 with $50 MIR. :deal: