(VZW) Nexus 4.0.X Update Discussion

[moosc]

Lol u think sad

They've done this for major OS updates on all their android phones back to the original Droid. It is absolutely a test by verizon.

 

[JamesSJ]

actually yes eventually they are. Starting in 2013 VZW will begin migrating to VoLTE. Voice Over LTE.

Verizon reportedly trials VoLTE services in two cities, eyes nationwide rollout next year - Engadget

in 4 years from now there won't be 3G if you ask me. Everything will be 4G/lte

This may explain part of the problem with dropped calls. My LTE signal is better than my CDMA (-106/-120). They may be letting their CDMA system degrade as they build out LTE.

 

[moosc]

When I got mY replacement nexus they tried ie vzw wanted to give me a maxx instead of another nexus. I totally refused and said no ics no phone.

I received the razr Maxx and am very happy with it. I didnt pay anything they just traded straight across and they even gave me a credit on my account to purchase a sd card..I see the update for the Gnex might be rolling out. After 3 Gnex phones I don't trust the phone. I hope all the issues get fixed but I have a feeling some issues won't be solved. The Maxx will receive ics within the next month, so I will have ics and a amazing battery. I use my phone constantly and have only charged it 3 times since Friday ...

 

[byrds8]

They can gauge the results from:
User complaints (this is more to judge if it "broke" phones)
the phones signal strength
if the phone is dropping calls.
etc

your are NOT the only one who access to info. cell is a two way communication system

I'd bet anything VZW can track signal strength,call quality,etc for any device connected to their network...

They can read complaints for sure. They have no way to see what your phone actually receives at its antenna. They can see what theirs is putting out but that is all. Well, I should say legally thats all they can do. They can track call quality only by SNR( signal to noise ratio), not physically what you can hear. Again legally that is. The way the carriers see dropped calls is if you are consecutively redialing the same number in a short amount of time. When the line disconnects there is no way for them to tell what caused it other than if their equipment went down.

 

[Tim K]

But they can hear complaints to tech support....

 

[moosc]

And tech support will say your on a unofficial os
And can't help u.

But they can hear complaints to tech support....

 

[radzer0]

They arent letting the 3g network degrade. But they are in the process of phasing out all of the EVDO1x network. It will give them more spectrum to play with for the time being. I think its safe to say as all the new phones come out they will all be 4g or the new format 3g (forgot proper name) Id say 3g is gonna be gone by 2015. But thats still a ways away.

 

[ajoudi84]

Sorry for reposting. Haven't got a response yet. If anyone knows the answer to this question.

I was just wondering if anybody has installed the update that uses Wallet. I'm just worried about getting the dreaded "Secure element not responding" error message. I'm running a unlocked, non-rooted, stock Verizon Galaxy Nexus. Just looking for a confirmation of someone using wallet before and after installing without any problems. TIA

 

[moosc]

The only thing I get is unsuported device. I've never had any other messages and my wallet works a.d updates from play store

 

[radzer0]

The only thing I get is unsuported device. I've never had any other messages and my wallet works a.d updates from play store

With the verizon released 4.0.4?

 

[TheyCallMeBT]

They arent letting the 3g network degrade. But they are in the process of phasing out all of the EVDO1x network. It will give them more spectrum to play with for the time being. I think its safe to say as all the new phones come out they will all be 4g or the new format 3g (forgot proper name) Id say 3g is gonna be gone by 2015. But thats still a ways away.

What's the new format 3G called?

 

[radzer0]

What's the new format 3G called?

Dont remember, it was the reason for the LTE/3G outage on the thunderbolt when it first came out that was pushing many many phones into 1x coverage. If I still had the thunderbolt i could pull up the settings and tell you what it was called when u turned it off. I dont believe there is such a menu in the nexus.

 

[moosc]

Yep

With the verizon released 4.0.4?

 

[radzer0]

Dont remember, it was the reason for the LTE/3G outage on the thunderbolt when it first came out that was pushing many many phones into 1x coverage. If I still had the thunderbolt i could pull up the settings and tell you what it was called when u turned it off. I dont believe there is such a menu in the nexus.

eHRPD, reading up on it it actualy has something to do with the 3G connection and transfer. Maybe I had that mixed up from a while back. I thought it was a new style of 3g but apparently just the way to connect to 3g.

 

[Crashumbc]

They can read complaints for sure. They have no way to see what your phone actually receives at its antenna. They can see what theirs is putting out but that is all. Well, I should say legally thats all they can do. They can track call quality only by SNR( signal to noise ratio), not physically what you can hear. Again legally that is. The way the carriers see dropped calls is if you are consecutively redialing the same number in a short amount of time. When the line disconnects there is no way for them to tell what caused it other than if their equipment went down.

who told you that?

they MOST certainly can tell whether a call is ended vs a "dropped" call. the can track dropped packets to infer call quality. This is a digital connection.

 

[Crashumbc]

eHRPD, reading up on it it actualy has something to do with the 3G connection and transfer. Maybe I had that mixed up from a while back. I thought it was a new style of 3g but apparently just the way to connect to 3g.

the upgrade from 1x was EVDO(what is currently used on 3G VZW)

 

[lunatic59]

We are all passionate about our devices, but there is never a good reason to criticize another person's (yes, everyone here is a person and should be respected as such) misunderstanding of technology. Let's educate each other and then we can all be on the same page.

 

[Tim K]

And tech support will say your on a unofficial os
And can't help u.

Actually, no. You stated this wasn't a test because there would be no way for VZW to track performance. As was stated, this was not a leak, this was a Verizon "soak test" where they roll out the update to a small number of devices to make sure there aren't major issues. They would track these issues through both dropped call tracking as well as tech support calls. And NO, they wouldn't tell you you are on an unsupported OS because they would ask for your build info and it would match the build rolled out in the test phase. If multiple users were reporting problems with this build, Verizon would pull the test and we wouldn't see a public rollout. If the test rollout goes off without a hitch they release it to the masses.

 

[jcash3]

Actually, no. You stated this wasn't a test because there would be no way for VZW to track performance. As was stated, this was not a leak, this was a Verizon "soak test" where they roll out the update to a small number of devices to make sure there aren't major issues. They would track these issues through both dropped call tracking as well as tech support calls. And NO, they wouldn't tell you you are on an unsupported OS because they would ask for your build info and it would match the build rolled out in the test phase. If multiple users were reporting problems with this build, Verizon would pull the test and we wouldn't see a public rollout. If the test rollout goes off without a hitch they release it to the masses.

Yup, I know from previously being a Droid X and Xoom owner that the updates "usually" come within a few days after the Soak test. If that holds true, it should come out this week. I wouldn't hold my breath though. Expect nothing from VZ and you won't be disappointed.

 

[AJ McKay]

Actually, no. You stated this wasn't a test because there would be no way for VZW to track performance. As was stated, this was not a leak, this was a Verizon "soak test" where they roll out the update to a small number of devices to make sure there aren't major issues. They would track these issues through both dropped call tracking as well as tech support calls. And NO, they wouldn't tell you you are on an unsupported OS because they would ask for your build info and it would match the build rolled out in the test phase. If multiple users were reporting problems with this build, Verizon would pull the test and we wouldn't see a public rollout. If the test rollout goes off without a hitch they release it to the masses.

Knowledge bomb.

 

[PKayy]

Just spoke to a Verizon Wireless tech rep. He said to expect the update next month. I'm getting really tired of waiting.

 

[gnexowner]

It don't matter i got the 4.0.4 and my phone still reboots when i use hotspot lol. But my signal is great now tho.

 

[ThEoRy36O]

So stop waiting. Just update it now.

 

[vicorama]

Just spoke to a Verizon Wireless tech rep. He said to expect the update next month. I'm getting really tired of waiting.

The verizon rep will say anything to keep you entertained. Verizon would rather you switch to a Motorola phone because well... IMHO, I think they have so much invested in Moto that they get something out of it.

 

[moosc]

Sorry but that's not correct. You register your device say motorola because there awesome. They send out a email asking you to fill out a survey then they go through and pick out testers. And the os we are testing is pretty much final. You test it a few days report to there private forums with any bugs once testing is complete they look over the results if there isn't a major snafu then in a couple days the os is released to the masses. This how I've been testing new os for my motorola droids all the way back to the original droid. Sorry but no way would vzw release a update in a uncontrolled environment the risk are to high.

Actually, no. You stated this wasn't a test because there would be no way for VZW to track performance. As was stated, this was not a leak, this was a Verizon "soak test" where they roll out the update to a small number of devices to make sure there aren't major issues. They would track these issues through both dropped call tracking as well as tech support calls. And NO, they wouldn't tell you you are on an unsupported OS because they would ask for your build info and it would match the build rolled out in the test phase. If multiple users were reporting problems with this build, Verizon would pull the test and we wouldn't see a public rollout. If the test rollout goes off without a hitch they release it to the masses.