Voting Fraud

[RazorSharp]

Finally, Voter Fraud Uncovered! - YouTube

"The former head of the Florida Republican Party blows the whistle on how Florida's GOP are changing the law regarding early voting rights not because of voter fraud, but because the majority of early voters are Democrat and/or black and they all went for Obama in 2008. Republicans run the state of Florida, and they are doing everything possible, even removing their citizen's legal rights to vote."

 

[Bob Maxey]

Finally, Voter Fraud Uncovered! - YouTube

"The former head of the Florida Republican Party blows the whistle on how Florida's GOP are changing the law regarding early voting rights not because of voter fraud, but because the majority of early voters are Democrat and/or black and they all went for Obama in 2008. Republicans run the state of Florida, and they are doing everything possible, even removing their citizen's legal rights to vote."

I always consider the source. I mean, it is Al Sharpton, for golly sakes. You seriously think the Republicans are out to get the democrats and minorities? Get real.

 

[copestag]

you also have to consider the source of the claim..... Jim Greer is about to go to prison because he got caught stealing from the people hes is now making these accusations against.... I can see why the left finds him credible...... hes using their tactics

 

[RazorSharp]

I always consider the source. I mean, it is Al Sharpton, for golly sakes. You seriously think the Republicans are out to get the democrats and minorities? Get real.

And what sources do you consider "nonbiased"?

Hint: Rush Limbaugh is not a correct answer.

 

[OutofDate1980]

What is the difference? Rigging machines to tilt the balance gives us the same result as outright fraud; it is the other side of the same coin. Fraud is fraud.

In Philadelphia, you will find examples of people voting twice, voters that do not exist casting ballots and the ever popular voting by non-citizens.

Thirty or more people in Virginia were charged with voter fraud and there have been convictions.

More than 15 other states have discovered voter fraud.

"At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies."

"An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail."

"Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called

 

[OutofDate1980]

I always consider the source. I mean, it is Al Sharpton, for golly sakes. You seriously think the Republicans are out to get the democrats and minorities? Get real.

Because the Republicans are being caught on video telling us that is what they are doing.

 

[OutofDate1980]

And what sources do you consider "nonbiased"?

Hint: Rush Limbaugh is not a correct answer.

Why not, he is an employee of Bain and up till around 2002 Romney. A complete bias blowhard.

 

[OutofDate1980]

It's unfortunate that the red herring of voter fraud has been sold as a problem, when the real problems are casting, counting, and auditing the vote.

Counting Votes 2012: A State by State Look at Election Preparedness | CountingVotes.org

We strongly encourage all fifty states to adopt all of the best practices detailed in this report. Our elections are the essence of our democratic system of government, and we cannot risk irregularities that shake the confidence of the American public. Some of these recommendations cannot be implemented in time for this November

 

[copestag]

ROFL......... their map image of good/inadequate states ranks 6 as "good" ..... while just a cursory 20 second glance at their detailed breakdown shows at least 2 of their 'best' states as receiving "inadequate" scores in at least 1 category

they dont even agree with their own findings......... DUUURRRP

 

[cjr72]

A judge in Pennsylvania upholds their voter ID law. It's going to be appealed to the state supreme court.

 

[Bob Maxey]

The dems benefit from voter fraud and voter ID would help stem the tide. There is no doubt of that. The dems do not want educated voters, period. If the voter was educated, Obama would never be president.

We need ID and we need laws that punish those that violate the law. Those people that mention granny and her lack of a drivers lisence, she can get a state ID card. There are people that will help granny get to the polls if she does not drive.

There is simply no excuse for not voting and most certainly, a voter ID law does not hamper the process. If you really care about voting, you will find a way.

 

[OutofDate1980]

Your source is bogus. It's a paid front group for a lobbyist.

Rick Berman - SourceWatch
"Richard B. (Rick) Berman is a former labor management attorney and restaurant industry executive who currently works as a lobbyist for the food, alcoholic beverage and tobacco industries. He is the sole owner of Berman & Co., which sponsors many non-profit front groups that defend his corporate clients' interests by attacking their critics, allowing his paying clients to remain out of public view.

He is the President, Executive Director and Director of the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). CCF's 2005 IRS return states that Berman works 23 hours a week for the group for which he is paid $18,000. [1] In spite of its name, CCF is more concerned about industry than the consumer. He is also the Executive Director and President of the Employment Policies Institute Foundation the American Beverage Institute and the Center for Union Facts. [2]

According to a July 31, 2006, profile of Berman in USA Today, his company has 28 employees and takes in $10 million dollars a year, but "only Berman and his bookkeeper wife" know how much of the $10 million ends up in their own pockets. [2]

Rick Berman has earned the nicknames "Dr. Evil," the "Conservatives' Weapon of Mass Destruction" and the "Astroturf Kingpin" for his repeated use of the strategy of forming non-profit front groups that advocate for the interests big business while shielding those same businesses from disclosing financial support for these efforts.[3][4]

"In an October 29, 2008 article, the investigative journalism group ProPublica revealed that the ad and the Web site "RottenACORN.com" are funded by Rick Berman's Employment Policies Institute, which has among its clients, the American Beverage Institute, a trade group for bars and restaurants.[14]"

FactCheck.org : ACORN Accusations
"Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What a McCain-Palin Web ad calls "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn

 

[Apoplectic1]

Yes, the fact that people will actually have to reach into their pocket/purse to get out their ID is totally going to discourage people from voting.

While we're at it, why don't we get rid of drivers liscenes and ID's altogether. I mean, it only discriminates against the young and has to put a damper on interstate commerce right?

 

[OutofDate1980]

Yes, the fact that people will actually have to reach into their pocket/purse to get out their ID is totally going to discourage people from voting.

While we're at it, why don't we get rid of drivers liscenes and ID's altogether. I mean, it only discriminates against the young and has to put a damper on interstate commerce right?

Or why not allocate resources to a known versus nonexistent problem.

http://androidforums.com/politics-current-affairs/598370-voting-fraud.html#post4815874

 

[Apoplectic1]

Or why not allocate resources to a known versus nonexistent problem.

http://androidforums.com/politics-current-affairs/598370-voting-fraud.html#post4815874

Yes, because we only have a handful of resources to go around. We can't actually go around making jobs by hiring people to swipe ID's to check whether or not that person is in the local system.

I mean, why on Earth would we make voting just as hard as checking out library books?

 

[A.Nonymous]

As long as official IDs are given free to everyone who wants one and can prove their identification I have no issues with voter id laws.

 

[saptech]

If the voter was educated, Obama would never be president.

And I guess edcuated voters put GW in office, Twice? Well, he was given the office his first term by the US Supreme Court. I know, you have a reason for that!

 

[saptech]

As long as official IDs are given free to everyone who wants one and can prove their identification I have no issues with voter id laws.

Agreed!

 

[jhtalisman]

As long as official IDs are given free to everyone who wants one and can prove their identification I have no issues with voter id laws.

But therein lies the problem, official ID's are not free. Even just an ID card, not a drivers license, costs $10 in most states. Requiring someone to have one is the equivilant of a poll tax, i.e., requiring someone to spend money to vote, which is against the Constitution. Voting was intended to be of no direct cost to the voter, this is inherently opposite of that intent.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Yes, because we only have a handful of resources to go around. We can't actually go around making jobs by hiring people to swipe ID's to check whether or not that person is in the local system.

I mean, why on Earth would we make voting just as hard as checking out library books?

Voting is vastly more important that checking our library books. We are electing the man or woman to will lead the free world. He or she, in fact, will be the most powerful person on earth.

the last thing we want is a fraud in power, placed there by a fraudulent system.

We need to make sure every vote is legitimate.

 

[Apoplectic1]

But therein lies the problem, official ID's are not free. Even just an ID card, not a drivers license, costs $10 in most states. Requiring someone to have one is the equivilant of a poll tax, i.e., requiring someone to spend money to vote, which is against the Constitution. Voting was intended to be of no direct cost to the voter, this is inherently opposite of that intent.

Thats just it, this still has no direct cost to the voter. They do not have to pay the polling attendants themselves, nor is the ID only good for voting. You need one to fill out any sort of official document.

One must most likely have to pay to vote anyway. Short of walking to a polling location, you have to pay for the gas to get there, bus fare if theres a route, cab fare, the cost to feed and shoe your horse etc.

I agree it would be better if ID's were free. Unfortunately the DOT needs to make money somehow.

 

[A.Nonymous]

But therein lies the problem, official ID's are not free. Even just an ID card, not a drivers license, costs $10 in most states. Requiring someone to have one is the equivilant of a poll tax, i.e., requiring someone to spend money to vote, which is against the Constitution. Voting was intended to be of no direct cost to the voter, this is inherently opposite of that intent.

A fair enough criticism. Waive the $10 fee for anyone who wants an ID. Maybe institute a charge if it's a replacement so the system isn't tied up by fools who constantly lose their ID. Heck, put the replacement charge on the 3rd replacement to give leeway for people who may simply be mugged and lose their wallets. Aside from that, make it free to everyone else.

 

[cjr72]

A fair enough criticism. Waive the $10 fee for anyone who wants an ID. Maybe institute a charge if it's a replacement so the system isn't tied up by fools who constantly lose their ID. Heck, put the replacement charge on the 3rd replacement to give leeway for people who may simply be mugged and lose their wallets. Aside from that, make it free to everyone else.

I just checked in on Pennsylvania's requirements to get a voter ID:

$13.50 fee for acquiring an Identification Card will be waived for individuals completing the Oath/ Affirmation Voter ID form.

You need to bring documents which themselves may cost money to obtain like a birth certificate, etc.

 

[Bob Maxey]

But therein lies the problem, official ID's are not free. Even just an ID card, not a drivers license, costs $10 in most states. Requiring someone to have one is the equivilant of a poll tax, i.e., requiring someone to spend money to vote, which is against the Constitution. Voting was intended to be of no direct cost to the voter, this is inherently opposite of that intent.

Here in Utah, you are required to carry ID. Not sure about your state. You need ID (in many cases) to get a decent job. You need an SSN as well. If you do not have an SSN and you go to apply for a card, it is almost impossible without some form of ID.

The cost to get an ID is not a poll tax so please do not call it that.

As far as I know, you do not need ID or an SSN to get food stamps, go figure. Any free service for the poor and/or lazy setup by our president is not because he really cares; it is all about the votes.

Voting is vital and it is important. So many of us do not vote but we sure complain about the other guy, who ever that might be.

I am of the opinion that those screaming the loudest likely do not study the candidates much past reading about how bad the other guy is in the liberal press. They do not really care about the process much.

 

[A.Nonymous]

You need to bring documents which themselves may cost money to obtain like a birth certificate, etc.

A fair enough criticism as well. It looks like the requirements list a Social Security Card (free) and a birth certificate (in my state they are free if you walk into the office in the capital, otherwise you pay $15 or so) and proof of residence (bills sent to your house, etc... so free). I'm too lazy to look up what it takes to get a birth certificate in PA. If there's a charge to that, then I agree with you.