Jelly Bean for the Galaxy Nexus

[stretch90]

I was wondering if anybody knows when this update will be coming out. I'm in Canada and so far only the Nexus S has gotten the update, which I don't understand since it's the older model...
Been going a little crazy checking for updates every 15 minutes, lol.

 

[breadnatty08]

Not positive when.
I'll get this moved to the Gnex forum.

 

[mogelijk]

It seems like the Canadian versions of the Galaxy Nexus are sold by the carrier and so the updates come from them, rather than Google. To be able to download Jellybean, you need to have a Yakju software version. An easy way to tell which version you have is to go into the Google Maps app, go into Settings>About and look under "Device". My guess is it will say something like "Samsung yakjuxw" rather than "Samsung yakju".

A lot of people have changed their software version to yakju so that they can get OTA updates direct from Google. You can find instructions on how to do it here.

 

[Crashumbc]

It seems like the Canadian versions of the Galaxy Nexus are sold by the carrier and so the updates come from them, rather than Google. To be able to download Jellybean, you need to have a Yakju software version. An easy way to tell which version you have is to go into the Google Maps app, go into Settings>About and look under "Device". My guess is it will say something like "Samsung yakjuxw" rather than "Samsung yakju".

A lot of people have changed their software version to yakju so that they can get OTA updates direct from Google. You can find instructions on how to do it here.

I would be careful doing the above, I think at least some of the Canadian Vendors are CDMA, if so the above would probably brick the GN (if it lets you do it at all)

 

[mogelijk]

I would be careful doing the above, I think at least some of the Canadian Vendors are CDMA, if so the above would probably brick the GN (if it lets you do it at all)

True. I maybe shouldn't have assumed, since they are expecting Jellybean to be updated by Google, that they must have a GSM phone.

 

[MachDelta]

AFAIK all three Canadian carriers carried the international GSM model. My Gnex from Bell is, and they're one of our two CDMA carriers. But double checking is never a bad idea.

 

[stretch90]

I'm not sure if I want to tinker with the handset too much, I'd rather wait for the official update. Just wish I knew when it's coming.
Thanks for the responses so far

 

[sniperfox47]

The Galaxy Nexus sold by retailers is the Yakjuux(samsung) version. The only version that is Yakju(google) version is the one sold in the play store like I have. Yakju receives updates from google while Yakjux needs to wait for samsung to add their stuff into it before getting the update. Samsung can release it whenever they feel like it, including skipping patches if they don't feel they add much or just taking their sweet time.

All canadian versions of the phone ARE the international GSM version. The sprint and verizon versions are the other two and they don't exist in Canada. Bell mobility is "GSM" (and by that I mean GSM with HSPA+, not GPRS which is traditionally used by GSM) since back in 2009. All of the canadian carriers of the Galaxy Nexus support HSPA+ as far as I know since the phone only supports that and traditional GSM.

If you bought the phone in canada you can safely install the google images on it, HOWEVER you need to root your phone which:
1) voids your warranty
2) goes against almost every carriers TOS agreement
and 3) can potentially brick your phone if you have no clue what you're doing and can't follow instructions of someone who does.

Long story short if you're REALLY worried about updates either find someone selling a yakju variant of the phone (It's not still in the play store) or if you're willing to do it even after seeing the three issues above then flash the rom.

If you don't care too much about the updates then don't bother. Honestly I haven't seen any improvements from ICS to JB anyways. I preferred the ICS UI and I see 0 difference in stability and speed.

EDIT: Thanks Mogelijk for catching that, I misses a u above, fixed it now.

 

[mogelijk]

The Galaxy Nexus sold by retailers is the Yakjux(samsung) version. The only version that is Yakju(google) version is the one sold in the play store like I have. Yakju receives updates from google while Yakjux needs to wait for samsung to add their stuff into it before getting the update. Samsung can release it whenever they feel like it, including skipping patches if they don't feel they add much or just taking their sweet time.

All canadian versions of the phone ARE the international GSM version. The sprint and verizon versions are the other two and they don't exist in Canada. Bell mobility is "GSM" (and by that I mean GSM with HSPA+, not GPRS which is traditionally used by GSM) since back in 2009. All of the canadian carriers of the Galaxy Nexus support HSPA+ as far as I know since the phone only supports that and traditional GSM.

If you bought the phone in canada you can safely install the google images on it, HOWEVER you need to root your phone which:
1) voids your warranty
2) goes against almost every carriers TOS agreement
and 3) can potentially brick your phone if you have no clue what you're doing and can't follow instructions of someone who does.

Long story short if you're REALLY worried about updates either find someone selling a yakju variant of the phone (It's not still in the play store) or if you're willing to do it even after seeing the three issues above then flash the rom.

If you don't care too much about the updates then don't bother. Honestly I haven't seen any improvements from ICS to JB anyways. I preferred the ICS UI and I see 0 difference in stability and speed.

Actually, the version sold in the Play Store to US customers only is takju (which is essentially yakju with Wallet added). An International Google version is available in some countries, which are yakju phones. Last, there seem to be a few variations of yakju which seem to be country specific -- the Canadian versions I've heard of are yakjuux -- and these phones are not updated by Google.

 

[sniperfox47]

Actually, the version sold in the Play Store to US customers only is takju (which is essentially yakju with Wallet added). An International Google version is available in some countries, which are yakju phones. Last, there seem to be a few variations of yakju which seem to be country specific -- the Canadian versions I've heard of are yakjuux -- and these phones are not updated by Google.

Umm >.> My phone is from the play store and I have Yakju, not Takju. I do not have google wallet in my phone. Also yakjuux is the samsung version of the nexus OS, it's not a "variant" per se, it's just managed by the other developer (samsung and google both worked on design elements in the phone) just like yakjuxw and yakjudv. Samsung manages retail sales (can't remember all the different samsung variants, there's 5 or 6) while google manages the versions sold directly from them (Yakju and Takju).

Edit: As stated already above though, I'm not from the USA so it makes sense that I don't have "the version sold in the Play Store to US customers only"

 

[mogelijk]

Umm >.> My phone is from the play store and I have Yakju, not Takju. I do not have google wallet in my phone. Also yakjuux is the samsung version of the nexus OS, it's not a "variant" per se, it's just managed by the other developer (samsung and google both worked on design elements in the phone) just like yakjuxw and yakjudv. Samsung manages retail sales (can't remember all the different samsung variants, there's 5 or 6) while google manages the versions sold directly from them (Yakju and Takju).

If I understand right, you are from Canada and, as I stated, takju is a US only version; so yes, you would have yakju if you ordered from the Play Store. Yakju is the International version. Also, if you examine the link, yakuux is the Canadian version (or variant) of the Galaxy Nexus software build, just like yakjuxw is the Western Europe version of the Nexus; those builds are localized software variations of yakju.

If you order from the Play Store outside the US, you will get a yakju phone. If you get the i9250 through your mobile carrier, you may get yakju or your countries version.

Edit: looks like you caught your mistake.

 

[sniperfox47]

Pretty sure that's your mistake silly because you had said "Actually..." as though correcting me. We were talking about the phones in Canada so I was right in saying if it was ordered from the play store here it would be yakju! So there! *puts thumbs in ears wiggling fingers and sticks out tongue at you *

There should really be a sticky that outlines all of this since it's pretty basic information for phone owners. Or is it in a sticky already? Also do you happen to know how exactly takju works? I thought most places in the states were CDMA?

 

[mogelijk]

Pretty sure that's your mistake silly because you had said "Actually..." as though correcting me. We were talking about the phones in Canada so I was right in saying if it was ordered from the play store here it would be yakju! So there! *puts thumbs in ears wiggling fingers and sticks out tongue at you *

There should really be a sticky that outlines all of this since it's pretty basic information for phone owners. Or is it in a sticky already? Also do you happen to know how exactly takju works? I thought most places in the states were CDMA?

Of the 4 major US carriers it is evenly split: Verizon and Sprint are CDMA, AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM. In terms of actual numbers, CDMA seems to be around 60% of the US market.

 

[sniperfox47]

Seriously? I don't get that. Why does 60% of the US use CDMA when only 16% of the total world uses it?

 

[Petrah]

C'mon you two.

 

[Petrah]

HOWEVER you need to root your phone which:
1) voids your warranty
2) goes against almost every carriers TOS agreement
and
3) can potentially brick your phone if you have no clue what you're doing and can't follow instructions of someone who does.

Seems to be a common misconception about root voiding the warranty.

XDA- Your Warranty is Not Void - YouTube

 

[sniperfox47]

According to my warranty it is voided if I in any way unlock my phone or modify it's hardware. I have the paperwork right here.

Likewise I have looked at the TOS agreement for every Canadian carrier that offers phones in my region.

 

[Petrah]

You sure are aggressively argumentative. But welcome to Android Forums just the same.

 

[sniperfox47]

Thank you very much. It's niceto be here for however long or short a duration it becomes. I don't mean to be argumentative, but it's safer to provide them with information that is conservative and may not be true in all areas and then they don't do something damaging rather than say it's not going to void your warranty when, maybe, in their region it does.

When you say it's a misconception people will generally assume that it's wrong.

I know for a fact that it can void your warranty in certain regions, since my warranty says right on it that it's void if any attempt is made on the phone to "unlock, modify, reprogram, copy, spoof, reverse engineer,monitor, probe, scan, decode, or analyze (including through the use of packet analyzers) any numbers, codes, components, or programming on the handset" (emphasis mine).

I wanted to make it especially clear as I'm in canada and most of this conversation was about the canadian Yakju vs Yakjuux versions of the phone.

 

[Petrah]

It's not what you say, its how you say it. A different approach might be best. Saying it with less aggression will certainly open the door for others to accept what you're saying.

 

[sniperfox47]

I'll keep that in mind, thank you. I have a habit of being blunt and strait to the point. I don't like beating around the bush. I'll try to pad what I say a little better in the future though.


Edit: I just looked through that video you linked and the guy read the article wrong. It says that they don't have to if they can prove it was your fault, not that they have to if they can't. Plus it also says that that only applies for things stated to be covered in the warranty. If the warranty has been voided on your end that clause does not apply. I don't get how what he says protects the user in any way. Would you mind explaining his point please as I don't quite understand? I would send this in a PM but apparently I can't send one to you.

 

[mogelijk]

Seriously? I don't get that. Why does 60% of the US use CDMA when only 16% of the total world uses it?

I didn't know and decided to look it up, and basically found it interesting and got sucked in.

To begin with, it seems basically every country adopted their own standards for the first generation of cell phones -- there was very little compatibility. The US and Canadian carriers used AMPS (Advance Mobile Phone System) which was developed by Bell Labs. Most of the European countries developed their own standards, as did Japan. These standards all tended to be analog.

The Europeans realized it would help if they all were on the same system, so they developed a new digital standard (GSM) that all of the participating European countries would upgrade to. AMPS, however, was not compatible with GSM. Additionally, the US government (the FCC) required the companies with analog networks in the US to maintain those networks until 2008. So, it would be a major technical challenge for established US carriers to use GSM, as they would have to support both GSM and AMPS.

Two different standards were developed that worked with AMPS. Verizon went with IS-95, which was the first CDMA standard. AT&T used D-AMPS, which is also known as TDMA. Since both D-AMPS and GSM are types of TDMA networks, this eventually gave AT&T an upgrade path to switch to GSM; especially as analog customers upgraded to digital service.

The fact the US has more CDMA seems to have a lot to do with the size of the US. With plenty of US customers, cell phone makers were eager to develop phones to sell in the US, even though they used their own US standards. By contrast, cell phone companies were less eager to make phones for countries that had, by comparison, relatively few consumers. So, out of necessity, the European countries built a common standard that they could use to upgrade their different networks while the US was happy having their own standards.

 

[sniperfox47]

Sweet. So then I guess the question is "which is superior?" and then have everyone move over to that one.

 

[mogelijk]

Sweet. So then I guess the question is "which is superior?" and then have everyone move over to that one.

There seem to be a few articles on the web about the differences though, as the standards evolve and improve, the differences are disappearing.

This article I found gives the edge to GSM, for the sole reason that CDMA phones are tied to a carrier whereas GSM phones merely require you to change the SIM card if you want to switch to a new carrier -- which is especially helpful if you travel outside the US.

 

[Petrah]

I'll keep that in mind, thank you. I have a habit of being blunt and strait to the point. I don't like beating around the bush. I'll try to pad what I say a little better in the future though.


Edit: I just looked through that video you linked and the guy read the article wrong. It says that they don't have to if they can prove it was your fault, not that they have to if they can't. Plus it also says that that only applies for things stated to be covered in the warranty. If the warranty has been voided on your end that clause does not apply. I don't get how what he says protects the user in any way. Would you mind explaining his point please as I don't quite understand? I would send this in a PM but apparently I can't send one to you.

Covers the US, so his vid probably doesn't hold true elsewhere.

I think we (myself included) tend to forget sometimes that this particular forum (Samsung Galaxy Nexus) covers more than the US. With my previous phone the forum only covered the US because Android Forums had not yet implemented out of state carriers with the same name or type of phone. If they had not mixed and mashed everything together, this type of confusion about countries and whatnot wouldn't be happening. And I think (he will correct me if I'm wrong) that Mog got his G-Nex about the same time I got mine, and moved from Virgin Mobile USA to over here like I did.

Still waiting for MacFett to get over here with us. Should be fun.