Well I already have to return my Evo V

[Lanman1978]

After experimenting trying to get different ROMs and kernels to work on my Evo V I may have borked my wifi and 4g in the process. Neither work anymore and the phone is just not acting right ever since. So I called VM and they are sending me a replacement phone. This time I will only be rooting the phone and thats it. I am leaving the stock ROM on there and not changing it at all. At least I know everything will work correctly. S on S off bah!

 

[blh2012]

That's why you should always make a backup.

The Wi-fi issues probably have to do with the kernel you flashed. Also there are many roms which don't have 4G working.

All you really had to do was reflash back to a rom that has them both working.

 

[Lanman1978]

I already flashed back to stock and still no 4g or wifi. Oddly 3g works though.

That's why you should always make a backup.

The Wi-fi issues probably have to do with the kernel you flashed. Also there are many roms which don't have 4G working.

All you really had to do was reflash back to a rom that has them both working.

 

[redpipe]

RUU?

 

[Lanman1978]

Say what?

RUU?

 

[koopakid08]

Say what?

http://androidforums.com/showthread.php?t=561781

 

[OverByter]

Having s-off isn't what borked your connection, don't understand what one has to do with the other. You should definitely read before you do. This phone is practically impossible to permabrick.

 

[smackafoo]

you knew these risks before you start modding the phone.

how on earth did you convince virgin to replace the phone unless you are lying to them? I'm fairly certain any warranty replacement is null and void if you broke the phone by flashing different software to it. dont come here and tell everyone what your doing.

 

[Lanman1978]

I don't know if I messed up the wifi and 4g or not I was just saying that I tried different ROMs and that may or may not have caused me to lose my wireless and 4g. i should have been more clear by saying I may or may not be at fault for the connections failing. 3G still works I wonder why just that and nothing else. Give the new guy a break.

you knew these risks before you start modding the phone.

how on earth did you convince virgin to replace the phone unless you are lying to them? I'm fairly certain any warranty replacement is null and void if you broke the phone by flashing different software to it. dont come here and tell everyone what your doing.

 

[Lanman1978]

Another thing this phone is totally new to me and I don't know what all the terminology means like fast boot, h boot, s on, s off, etc. I am just learning what all this stuff means. Forgive me not understanding everything right off the bat. I may have made a mistake the first time around, but it won't happen again cause I am leaving the new phone at stock. I am coming over from the Triumph remember which to me is definitely a much simpler phone to work with. Just to root the Evo V is like pulling teeth. No more ROMing for me.

 

[smackafoo]

Another thing this phone is totally new to me and I don't know what all the terminology means like fast boot, h boot, s on, s off, etc. I am just learning what all this stuff means. Forgive me not understanding everything right off the bat. I may have made a mistake the first time around, but it won't happen again cause I am leaving the new phone at stock. I am coming over from the Triumph remember which to me is definitely a much simpler phone to work with. Just to root the Evo V is like pulling teeth. No more ROMing for me.

Lots of roms have broken 4G but it should work again if you go back to stock rom.

and even on the new phone you might be forced to do s-off and hboot and radio mods just to make the 4g and 3g work the way they are supposed to.

so instead of waiting all that time and having to do this whole process AGAIN later, just do it NOW to the phone you already have. cant hurt it really and if it solves the problem you've saved yourself weeks of waiting.


It's really hard to break 4g becuase its just a radio file that you can flash over to fix it again. I think your making your own problem worse than it is

 

[Lanman1978]

Maybe you are right and I apologize for being so naive. Maybe I will decide to tinker with the malfunctioned phone. I dunno.

Lots of roms have broken 4G but it should work again if you go back to stock rom.

and even on the new phone you might be forced to do s-off and hboot and radio mods just to make the 4g and 3g work the way they are supposed to.

so instead of waiting all that time and having to do this whole process AGAIN later, just do it NOW to the phone you already have. cant hurt it really and if it solves the problem you've saved yourself weeks of waiting.


It's really hard to break 4g becuase its just a radio file that you can flash over to fix it again. I think your making your own problem worse than it is

 

[OverByter]

you knew these risks before you start modding the phone.

how on earth did you convince virgin to replace the phone unless you are lying to them? I'm fairly certain any warranty replacement is null and void if you broke the phone by flashing different software to it. dont come here and tell everyone what your doing.

I went through 6 replacement Triumphs and every single one was rooted, my issues were with the camera and had absolutely nothing to do with what software that was on the phone. Virgin is pretty good about replacements even though you have root. I do agree that anyone who "breaks" their phone by not understanding what they're doing and then attempts to get a replacement is no different than a shoplifter. Hey I guess that's a new class of crime, theft by ignorance.

 

[Hollaback12786]

I do agree that anyone who "breaks" their phone by not understanding what they're doing and then attempts to get a replacement is no different than a shoplifter. Hey I guess that's a new class of crime, theft by ignorance.

+1 to the quote

This phone may be different than the triumph when it comes to rooting and flashing ROMs but it's not rocket science, once u have root and s-off (easy as hell, took me 1 try) it's the same exact ROM and kernel flashing procedure as the triumph. Doing an RUU is even new to me and this is my third android phone (intercept and triumph were the first 2) but that's not that hard either....I do believe runnin the ruu will fix your problem tho, I've read on a lot of forums (anthrax, xda, infected, mikmik) about people losing WiFi and that fixed it

 

[OverByter]

+1 to the quote

This phone may be different than the triumph when it comes to rooting and flashing ROMs but it's not rocket science, once u have root and s-off (easy as hell, took me 1 try) it's the same exact ROM and kernel flashing procedure as the triumph. Doing an RUU is even new to me and this is my third android phone (intercept and triumph were the first 2) but that's not that hard either....I do believe runnin the ruu will fix your problem tho, I've read on a lot of forums (anthrax, xda, infected, mikmik) about people losing WiFi and that fixed it

@Hollaback12786, that's the same phone journey that I took, it's amazing looking back that all 3 phones cost pretty much the same when they were first introduced. The Intercept was the very first Android available on prepay.

 

[Lanman1978]

I doubt that I will ever go s off. Heck when I get the replacement phone I am just gonna let it be and leave it stock.

 

[Banished Angel]

I just got my Evo today and I did root, s-off, and flashed the files in the fix everything thread in under 2 hours. Got the wire trick on my third try. Currently running Mobster ROM and I have yet to have any radio errors, but I haven't even had the phone a whole 24 hours yet. Honestly I thought the root and s-off process looked intimidating, but it really wasn't that difficult. Coming from the Triumph where the screen and back button decided to randomly not work this phone is a savior.

 

[Lanman1978]

Man you do work! Good for you that you figured all this stuff out in such a short time.

I just got my Evo today and I did root, s-off, and flashed the files in the fix everything thread in under 2 hours. Got the wire trick on my third try. Currently running Mobster ROM and I have yet to have any radio errors, but I haven't even had the phone a whole 24 hours yet. Honestly I thought the root and s-off process looked intimidating, but it really wasn't that difficult. Coming from the Triumph where the screen and back button decided to randomly not work this phone is a savior.

 

[Banished Angel]

I figured if i'm gonna get a new phone I might as well get it all set up on the first day. Why put it off? Especially since putting it off could mean radio errors haha. That and I find Sense to be horribly ugly.

 

[Lanman1978]

You da man dawg!

I figured if i'm gonna get a new phone I might as well get it all set up on the first day. Why put it off? Especially since putting it off could mean radio errors haha. That and I find Sense to be horribly ugly.

 

[magohn]

I went through 6 replacement Triumphs and every single one was rooted, my issues were with the camera and had absolutely nothing to do with what software that was on the phone. Virgin is pretty good about replacements even though you have root. I do agree that anyone who "breaks" their phone by not understanding what they're doing and then attempts to get a replacement is no different than a shoplifter. Hey I guess that's a new class of crime, theft by ignorance.

Then do we all agree that we are ALL 'criminals' because we are rooting and rom'ing phones and using them on the VM network against the model that they were originally designed for? For example; Wifi Tether and using rom's without the company's compliance.

The 6 phones you returned should also be 6x charges of fraud. You returned a phone knowinlgy in a different state to which you purchased it. Like buying a Ford truck, replacing the engine and then asking for your money back at the dealership.

If we are all so honest, lets stop using the phones unless absolutely stock and not rooted. We are the last people to play the 'shoplifter' card.

 

[agentc13]

I went through 6 replacement Triumphs and every single one was rooted, my issues were with the camera and had absolutely nothing to do with what software that was on the phone. Virgin is pretty good about replacements even though you have root. I do agree that anyone who "breaks" their phone by not understanding what they're doing and then attempts to get a replacement is no different than a shoplifter. Hey I guess that's a new class of crime, theft by ignorance.

If someone physically breaks their device to hide the fact that they messed something up that would be fraud. And that is a crime that they could be prosecuted for. Any talk of that sort of thing is prohibited here, and we are very much against it. On the other hand, if someone has issues while rooting a device and calls the carrier/manufacturer and ends up with a replacement without doing such a thing (i.e. not committing fraud, being up front about it) it's okay. If the carrier/manufacturer wants to replace the phone in that situation it's okay and is not a crime by any means.

So let's make sure we see the difference. Lying about it (or purposely destroying all/part of it after messing something up) is illegal and not condoned. Being up front and truthful is okay.

Then do we all agree that we are ALL 'criminals' because we are rooting and rom'ing phones and using them on the VM network against the model that they were originally designed for? For example; Wifi Tether and using rom's without the company's compliance.

The 6 phones you returned should also be 6x charges of fraud. You returned a phone knowinlgy in a different state to which you purchased it. Like buying a Ford truck, replacing the engine and then asking for your money back at the dealership.

If we are all so honest, lets stop using the phones unless absolutely stock and not rooted. We are the last people to play the 'shoplifter' card.

Rooting a device is completely legal. As is modifying software etc on it. It's been brought to the courts and is fine. (See here for one such example: Rooting your Android Phone No Longer a Crime!) So saying that doing so makes one a criminal is a bit silly don't you think?

Breaking your Terms of Service to tether (or any other reason) is another matter. It could lead to your carrier dropping you because you did not comply with the agreement, and many people consider it morally wrong. Read here for more on that subject (http://androidforums.com/site-updates-announcements/490815-change-our-tethering-policy-our-approach-some-other-content.html) One big part there is:

Illegal vs against TOS are two different things and each situation will be taken on a case by case basis.

you knew these risks before you start modding the phone.

how on earth did you convince virgin to replace the phone unless you are lying to them? I'm fairly certain any warranty replacement is null and void if you broke the phone by flashing different software to it. dont come here and tell everyone what your doing.

I returned a phone to Virgin Mobile in the past for what was obviously a hardware issue (the charging port was not working correctly) It had been rooted/modified. They never even asked if I had done anything to it, so I am assuming that they did not ask the OP here that sort of thing. It's a bit of a step to assume they lied to get the replacement (it's possible that is the case, but it's not fair to assume that without evidence).

 

[magohn]

Rooting a device is completely legal. As is modifying software etc on it. It's been brought to the courts and is fine. (See here for one such example: Rooting your Android Phone No Longer a Crime!) So saying that doing so makes one a criminal is a bit silly don't you think?

No, not really.

Then the next time we have phone issues it sounds like its totally reasonable to tell the VM rep - "BTW - my phone is rooted and is running a completely different ROM to the one that it shipped with. Please send me a new phone" I dont think so. Why do we NEVER tell them that? Silence is not a defense.

There may be court cases to defend rooting a phone but Im not prepared to go to court to fight VM when they refuse to replace a $200 phone.

Lets be honest, we all root our phones (me included) but lets not pretend VM would be totally fine knowing this when we ask for a replacement.

Just my 2c.

 

[agentc13]

No, not really.

Then the next time we have phone issues it sounds like its totally reasonable to tell the VM rep - "BTW - my phone is rooted and is running a completely different ROM to the one that it shipped with. Please send me a new phone" I dont think so. Why do we NEVER tell them that? Silence is not a defense.

There may be court cases to defend rooting a phone but Im not prepared to go to court to fight VM when they refuse to replace a $200 phone.

Lets be honest, we all root our phones (me included) but lets not pretend VM would be totally fine knowing this when we ask for a replacement.

Just my 2c.

I'm not saying that they don't have the right to refuse to replace a phone if it has been rooted and that is causing the issue. But if they don't even ask and send a replacement, how is that the user's fault. How does that make the user a criminal?

If the company replaces it without question and we have no evidence of fraud, it's a big stretch to call anyone a criminal. Many of us have personal experiences where they replaced a device without caring if it is rooted. So it's also a stretch to claim that they are not okay with it.

If they were to say no to replacing a rooted phone with a software issue, that's entirely within their rights. But that isn't what they are doing in many cases.

In fact they have replaced many devices where someone broke a screen or dropped it in water. They are very lenient on replacements.

 

[magohn]

But if they don't even ask and send a replacement, how is that the user's fault. How does that make the user a criminal?

Im not calling anyone a criminal. Using irony, I simply pointed out the fact that calling the guy a 'shoplifter' by people who are rooting/rom'ing phones smacks of hypocrisy to me. Especially if they are using Wifi tether etc.

I don't believe either cases are 'criminal' as such - just playing devils advocate and pointing out the hypocrisy of the kettle calling the pot black.

I do think you adequately cleared up the matter (agentc13) - and for that I thank you.