Google Nexus 10 vs Nexus 7 Thread

[Ingenieur7]

Now that the new Google Nexus 10 has been announced, let's discuss which one is the winner: The Google Nexus 10 or Nexus 7.

Firstly, the Nexus 10 uses Super PLS (Plane-To-Line Switching) display technology.

Super PLS technology is an upgrade over IPS.

Samsung claims that Super PLS has many advantages over IPS:

• Further improvement in viewing angle
• 10 percent increase in brightness
• Up to 15 percent decrease in production costs
• Increased image quality

Display
Nexus 10: 2560x1600 WQXGA 10" LCD PLS (Plane-To-Line Switching) Display (300ppi)
Nexus 7: 1280

 

[breadnatty08]

You forgot one other winner by a mile. The N7 is a 7 inch device.
Not interested in a 10 tablet.

 

[ExtremeNerd]

That's an awful and useless comparison. It's like comparing a Lexus to a Ford Focus. They are two entirely different target markets. Of COURSE the high end device is better. Anyone can tell you that. You'd be better off comparing it to an iPad, which both are hitting the 10 inch HIGH END market.

 

[Ingenieur7]

Here's a great comparison between the displays of the Nexus 10, iPad 4 and Nexus 7.

The Nexus 10 clearly has the sharpest image with the best color quality.

Nexus 10 = PLS display technology
iPad 4 = IPS display technology
Nexus 7 = IPS display technology

 

[Ingenieur7]

That's an awful and useless comparison. It's like comparing a Lexus to a Ford Focus. They are two entirely different target markets. Of COURSE the high end device is better. Any simpleton can tell you that. You'd be better off comparing it to an iPad, which both are hitting the 10 inch HIGH END market.

A comparison is a comparison.

Just because the Nexus 10 beats the Nexus 7 doesn't mean it's an awful comparison.

 

[EarlyMon]

How is a non-technical infographic with broad marketing claims helpful??

That's hardly a comparison, it's an ad.

And I merged your nearly identical thread here.

If you want to change the first post and lose the second post of the infographic, let me know.

 

[Rxpert83]

I'll be keeping my nexus 7.
The PPI on the nexus 10 is quite impressive but my eyes will never now the difference


Also, 7 inches is the perfect size

 

[bob60626]

Neither! My (bought like new for 200) 7.0+ does all I want, AND has MHL, 4g, and sd capabilities.

 

[Ingenieur7]

I'll be keeping my nexus 7.
The PPI on the nexus 10 is quite impressive but my eyes will never now the difference


Also, 7 inches is the perfect size

Your eyes will know the difference, trust me.

I can tell the difference between the iPad and the Nexus 7 straight away.

 

[EarlyMon]

Your eyes will know the difference, trust me.

I can tell the difference between the iPad and the Nexus 7 straight away.

That has nothing to do with what he said.

 

[Digital Controller]

That has nothing to do with what he said.

I think he is claiming, although in a round about way, that since he can tell between the iPad and the Nexus 7 you are sure to be able to tell between the Nexus 10 and 7, since the 10 has an even better display than the iPad

 

[jerofld]

I think the difference will be substantial of the N10 over the N7. IIRC, the PLS display is based on Samsung's AMOLED technology. Some people love AMOLED, some despise it. This appears to be their non-pentile version of it that was rumored around the time that the Galaxy S3 was being announced.

Personally, since getting an AMOLED screen, I've been a fan. I balk at my Transformer Infinity's IPS screen.

 

[EarlyMon]

PLS has nothing to do with AMOLED technology. It's simply another species of LCD control circuitry, like IPS.

The LCD principles remain identical.

Each subpixel is a controllable aperture, ok to think of it as a shutter. Behind the pixels is a white light, usually an LED display here. In front of them are combinations of polarized film and/or colored lenses to create the red, green and blue colors.

You get colored light from an LCD display by adjusting how much the subpixel shutters are open or closed.

That's all that there is to it.

The shutters themselves open and close in tiny increments through the magic of electrochemistry.

IPS, MVA, PVA, PLS, ASV, CP-VA, and TN (to name a few) describe liquid crystal control mechanisms.

LCD is a light permissive tech - it permits light to get out. OLED is a light emitting tech (like phosphor displays), you charge up a chemical and it gives OFF (emits) a colored light.

Even within a single species of LCD display type, there remain many factors that govern picture quality as well as many subspecies that they don't always mention. That doesn't stop panel makers from marketing their control circuitry as something special. Apple started this craze touting IPS back when IPS in the HDTV industry was a dirty word. IPS, like all LCD control systems, have advanced dramatically thanks to HDTV competition.

To describe a panel as IPS or PLS describes little, they're not all made the same. IPS looks different than S-IPS or IPS+ and they tend to not go into details.

PS to DC - my point stands.

 

[jerofld]

PLS has nothing to do with AMOLED technology. It's simply another species of LCD control circuitry, like IPS.

The LCD principles remain identical.

Each subpixel is a controllable aperture, ok to think of it as a shutter. Behind the pixels is a white light, usually an LED display here. In front of them are combinations of polarized film and/or colored lenses to create the red, green and blue colors.

You get colored light from an LCD display by adjusting how much the subpixel shutters are open or closed.

That's all that there is to it.

The shutters themselves open and close in tiny increments through the magic of electrochemistry.

IPS, MVA, PVA, PLS, ASV, CP-VA, and TN (to name a few) describe liquid crystal control mechanisms.

LCD is a light permissive tech - it permits light to get out. OLED is a light emitting tech (like phosphor displays), you charge up a chemical and it gives OFF (emits) a colored light.

Even within a single species of LCD display type, there remain many factors that govern picture quality as well as many subspecies that they don't always mention. That doesn't stop panel makers from marketing their control circuitry as something special. Apple started this craze touting IPS back when IPS in the HDTV industry was a dirty word. IPS, like all LCD control systems, have advanced dramatically thanks to HDTV competition.

To describe a panel as IPS or PLS describes little, they're not all made the same. IPS looks different than S-IPS or IPS+ and they tend to not go into details.

PS to DC - my point stands.

Interesting. I saw some article (somewhere on the internetz) that it'll have an AMOLED display. Considering my dismay of my LCD IPS+ display, it piqued my interest. So that's where my confusion came from. Thanks for clarifying, though! Especially considering that Samsung has been making a lot of OLED screens on their phones. I haven't seen what they did with their tablets, though, as the Sammy tablets never interested me (or were bogged down with litigation).

 

[EarlyMon]

LCD displays, like AMOLED, can be very good, but it varies a lot. I hold the GNex next to the SGS3 and SGS2 and could easily be fooled into thinking that they came from different suppliers if I didn't know better.

The makers learned from HDTV marketing that buzzwords sell, and deflect attention from the parameters that matter to our eyes in display technology. (Color accuracy, saturation, brightness, contrast.)

Reviewers don't help at all - "I set both displays to maximum because I don't care that few people use their displays that way, rather than a fair comparison using a light meter to set them to the same brightness, and I found that I can get you to keep clicking on my blog!"

I'm a big advocate of trusting your eyes, it's not a cliche - we all actually, physically, see differently.

 

[Ingenieur7]

LCD displays, like AMOLED, can be very good, but it varies a lot. I hold the GNex next to the SGS3 and SGS2 and could easily be fooled into thinking that they came from different suppliers if I didn't know better.

The makers learned from HDTV marketing that buzzwords sell, and deflect attention from the parameters that matter to our eyes in display technology. (Color accuracy, saturation, brightness, contrast.)

Reviewers don't help at all - "I set both displays to maximum because I don't care that few people use their displays that way, rather than a fair comparison using a light meter to set them to the same brightness, and I found that I can get you to keep clicking on my blog!"

I'm a big advocate of trusting your eyes, it's not a cliche - we all actually, physically, see differently.

Agreed.

However the PLS display of the Samsung Nexus 10 is amazing. That's what reviewers are saying and that's exactly the reason why it scored 10/10 in terms of the display.

In images, it looks sharper than the iPad 4's display (it has a higher PPI count) and also the picture quality looks much better. Better contrast, colors are more vibrant and black levels are deeper.

 

[Hadron]

However the PLS display of the Samsung Nexus 10 is amazing. That's what reviewers are saying and that's exactly the reason why it scored 10/10 in terms of the display.

Have you seen one yourself, or are you relying on the "reviewers"?

 

[Ingenieur7]

Have you seen one yourself, or are you relying on the "reviewers"?

Well according to the image I posted, yes the Nexus 10's display is much more pleasing to look at than both the iPad 4 and Nexus 7.

 

[EarlyMon]

Well according to the image I posted, yes the Nexus 10's display is much more pleasing to look at than both the iPad 4 and Nexus 7.

So, you didn't see them, you're relying on Samsung marketing materials.

Got it.

Do you work for Samsung in any capacity or extended relationship?

 

[Rxpert83]

That tiny print at the bottom of all most tech commercials....Screen images simulated

 

[Ingenieur7]

Have you seen one yourself, or are you relying on the "reviewers"?

So, you didn't see them, you're relying on Samsung marketing materials.

Got it.

Do you work for Samsung in any capacity or extended relationship?

No I got it from The Verge website.

Google Nexus 10 review | The Verge

 

[chanchan05]

Maybe its just me but I'd wait on GSMArena reviews compared to those made by Verge and enGadget. At least they seem to be more impartial to brands. Plus they have their own standardized tests.

An example is OneX display vs Galaxy SIII from reviewers. Some reviewers (Verge I think) says One X is better, GSMArena says SIII is better. Sure the One X display is brighter, but it needs that to even reach Galaxy SIII sunlight legibility levels because its AMOLED vs LCD. Making it brighter does not mean its better under sunlight. Plus the LCD screen is more reflective than the AMOLED on the SIII. Having seen both in action (One X and SIII), I can say that the difference isn't that much, but the SIII is actually easier on the eyes and uses less battery to become visible.

That said, I would reiterate what EarlyMon said: Trust your own eyes. Reviews are just there to guide you on what to expect. It doesn't mean that their opinions should become your opinions as well.

 

[EarlyMon]

Mine is far better under sunlight than the SGS3 - USA versions.

 

[AntimonyER]

Yeah I think it's the other way around... AMOLED is harder to see than LCD 2 in the sun.

 

[chanchan05]

Hmm, maybe different settings? My I don't have either phone myself, but my friends do and i play on them. The SGS3 appears more readable for me. I did not tinker with whatever settings they used. Unless there is a difference in the international and US versions of the SGS3 screens.