Just some HTC hero CDMA disscussion.

[boblo]

Hi guys! I know I haven't been around this forum for a while, I've been over at xda developers. If you have any problems or anything, just ask me and I will do my best to help you!

 

[xevious]

What have you been up to? What's your latest ROM of choice?

I've been pretty happy with LiGux teamed up with Zeam launcher and augmented with Swipe Pad on my old HTC HeroC. But I've got an Evo 3D on the way which will become my primary phone once I've made the switch to Ting. My cellular and data usage varies a lot from month to month, and basically I overpay for Sprint service by quite a large margin. Ting looks to be a terrific deal, and I like not being roped into a contract. There's no big phone discount, but at this point buying a used 4G phone is fine for me (it'll be a while before LTE is consistently available). I'll probably pick up a used Evo 4G LTE for less than half the retail price in about 6 months anyway.

 

[boblo]

When I just want my hero to be smooth as possible, I go for the sense roms, because they seem to lag the least. For just speed, I would go for the cm7 7.2.0 roms as they are just amazing. But when I want a combination of beauty and speed, I go for the Ligux rom along with launcher pro and supercharger v6. This gives me amazing stability and speed, along with an amazing looking device.

 

[xevious]

I like LiGux with Zeam. Definitely give Zeam a try if you haven't already. I find it runs a little better than Launcher Pro.

Anyway... I will be switching off of my Hero to the Evo 3D very soon. I bought a used very good condition Evo 3D for less than $90 shipped. And wow... is it ever slick. I prefer a smaller form factor, so I'd never go with an SGSIII. The Evo 3D is just about right, but maybe a little on the heavy side. Yet, the snap dragon processor is so quick and graphics so fluid. You use this and the Hero looks like ancient history.

 

[boblo]

Alright, I have new settings for my favorite experience
I have the CM7 nightly rom(I don't know, I just like this)
I have the this kernal:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090234
I use the v6 Supercharger(USE THIS!(On any rom ))<--------------- This improves performance so much, just try it.(Search it on google)
I use the ics cm7 theme changer theme
I use Firerats and Data2ext with the sd card speed hack thing.
I think that's it. Maybe? Yes. It is. The launcher I currently have is launcher pro.

 

[LBPHeretic]

I recently just threw CyanogenMod 7.2 back onto my old Sprint HTC Hero. It still amazes me how snappy it is with that ROM. It even runs most live wallpapers without skipping a beat, including this one that I am using right now: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.joko.lightgrid .

I am just using the stock kernel that came with the ROM, but I have overclocked the CPU to 768 MHz, and used the SmartassV2 governor. For an over three year old phone, it is very smooth and usable. I ran a couple benchmarks and I came out on top or second place among other Sprint HTC Hero handsets that submitted their results. Not bad at all.

 

[boblo]

You should throw the v6 supercharger in there. It's amazing. It's a script that deals with memory managing etc., I don't really know how it goes but it just is.... Amazing!

 

[LBPHeretic]

It basically makes the Out Of Memory (OOM) manager in Android 2.3 a bit less aggressive. Android 2.3 is a bit more apt to kick apps out of RAM in the name of efficiency than older versions were.

Basically, it makes it so apps are not kicked out of RAM as readily so there is not a lot of reloading when you multitask. V6 SuperCharger is a great script.

 

[xevious]

I'm running on my Evo 3D now (just switched to Ting, an MVNO on Sprint). While I still love the Hero for its historical importance and its very usable form factor plus track ball feature, I can't ever see going back to the Hero as my primary phone. The 3vo's processor is so much faster. I ended up buying another one for less than $90, also in very good condition and clean ESN. So if I lose or damage my current phone, I've got a reliable back up.

Remember when software was always pushing hardware in the Windows world? And then about 4 years ago you could see that software stopped increasing its gluttony, making newer hardware run even faster, allowing one to keep hardware longer before upgrading? That's starting to happen in the cellular world. Yes, LTE is faster than 4G... but for the average person, is it really necessary? I think not, based on typical phone usage. Also, LTE is far more power hungry than 3G, which means shorter battery life. So, while people keep itching for the latest iPhone or Android phone, quite capable phones get passed over. A used Evo 4G LTE tends to cost about $225 on average, when LTE presence is still not that great.

I'd been getting by on 3G for over 2 years. Now I'm on 4G and... well, it's so much faster. And for me, fast enough. I don't download ROMs or full movies off the Internet from my phone--I do that on my PC. Most of my Internet use is just a little web browsing and text messaging. I may start VoIP as well, since 4G gives it enough runway to work.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that for "not much money", you can put an Evo 3D in your hands and you will definitely appreciate the experience over the old Hero.

 

[boblo]

Just one question. I'm going to be getting a note 2, and the service I am going to get is from Ubitelecom(it's a fork off of sprint) will the speeds/coverage be the same/similar to sprint or a lot slower?(It's because my mother wants korean customer service)

 

[xevious]

When you're using an MVNO (mobile virtual network operator) like Ubitelecom, all it does is administrate your account in between you and Sprint. Access to cellular towers and network speeds should be unaffected, because the MVNO is not involved in that part of the architecture.

 

[LBPHeretic]

I'm running on my Evo 3D now (just switched to Ting, an MVNO on Sprint). While I still love the Hero for its historical importance and its very usable form factor plus track ball feature, I can't ever see going back to the Hero as my primary phone. The 3vo's processor is so much faster. I ended up buying another one for less than $90, also in very good condition and clean ESN. So if I lose or damage my current phone, I've got a reliable back up.

Remember when software was always pushing hardware in the Windows world? And then about 4 years ago you could see that software stopped increasing its gluttony, making newer hardware run even faster, allowing one to keep hardware longer before upgrading? That's starting to happen in the cellular world. Yes, LTE is faster than 4G... but for the average person, is it really necessary? I think not, based on typical phone usage. Also, LTE is far more power hungry than 3G, which means shorter battery life. So, while people keep itching for the latest iPhone or Android phone, quite capable phones get passed over. A used Evo 4G LTE tends to cost about $225 on average, when LTE presence is still not that great.

I'd been getting by on 3G for over 2 years. Now I'm on 4G and... well, it's so much faster. And for me, fast enough. I don't download ROMs or full movies off the Internet from my phone--I do that on my PC. Most of my Internet use is just a little web browsing and text messaging. I may start VoIP as well, since 4G gives it enough runway to work.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that for "not much money", you can put an Evo 3D in your hands and you will definitely appreciate the experience over the old Hero.

Wow, so now you have two Sprint HTC EVO 3D handsets? Nice. I was a bit out of the loop on the latest stuff on mine. I just went through and fully updated it to the latest firmware and radios. Now it is running MeanROM 2.6, which based on the Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich with HTC Sense 3.6. It is pretty much stock, but with under the hood tweaks for performance and battery life. I like it a lot so far. HTC Sense 3.0 ROMs running Gingerbread were always very smooth, but this is noticeably smoother. You should give it a shot. I think you would like it.

A large part of why LTE uses more power than 3G, right now, is because most of the chipsets do not not have the LTE modem embedded on the same SoC. The modem is separate which is quite a bit less efficient. I actually still get great speeds with Wi-Max on my Sprint HTC EVO 3D. There is no LTE rolled out for Sprint in my area, so I am glad I still have a handset capable of Wi-Max.

 

[xevious]

Wow, so now you have two Sprint HTC EVO 3D handsets? Nice. I was a bit out of the loop on the latest stuff on mine. I just went through and fully updated it to the latest firmware and radios. Now it is running MeanROM 2.6, which based on the Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich with HTC Sense 3.6. It is pretty much stock, but with under the hood tweaks for performance and battery life. I like it a lot so far. HTC Sense 3.0 ROMs running Gingerbread were always very smooth, but this is noticeably smoother. You should give it a shot. I think you would like it.

Yeah, I kept my eye out for one in very good used condition without box & accessories and I lucked out with a reasonable price. I figured for the price it would be worth having as a backup, instead of relying on the Hero. It's hard to go back to that smaller screen and slower processor! It's running 4.0.3 and working fine, but after loading it up with software a bit I'm now interesting in making it more power efficient. I'll definitely give MeanROM 2.6 a try--thanks. Sense 3.6 is very nice and fine enough for me (not aching for 4.0). Did you V6 SuperCharge it? I've also seen chatter about making the CPU run at a lower voltage. Apparently there's enough of a margin in the architecture to allow for it without a performance or reliability hit.

A large part of why LTE uses more power than 3G, right now, is because most of the chipsets do not not have the LTE modem embedded on the same SoC. The modem is separate which is quite a bit less efficient. I actually still get great speeds with Wi-Max on my Sprint HTC EVO 3D. There is no LTE rolled out for Sprint in my area, so I am glad I still have a handset capable of Wi-Max.

Makes sense. I'm definitely in no hurry to adopt LTE, especially if it's such a hit on battery life with the present architectures. I'm guessing there are ways to configure the handset to drop back to 4G when not actively using the phone (seriously, 3G is all you need for routine data updates anyway).

I'm also finding that the WiFi signal strength is better on the 3VO than the Hero. I didn't realize that voicemail will still download via the WiFi signal in lieu of the mobile network, which is great. Doing most app downloads on WiFi from home will keep my data usage very low, although I'm curious to see how much data is drawn when using TeleNav software over the mobile network when on the road.

Anyway, the 3VO is definitely a fine phone, despite a history of complaints about various things. I guess over time they got worked out, but the paper trail of woes is still out there (apparently the first firmware was seriously flawed, people had PRL and other radio update problems that caused terrible signal strength, and battery life wasn't very good either [although often this is a user issue]). From what I've experienced so far, it's a real "best buy" when it comes to used 4G Android phones.

 

[LBPHeretic]

Yeah, I kept my eye out for one in very good used condition without box & accessories and I lucked out with a reasonable price. I figured for the price it would be worth having as a backup, instead of relying on the Hero. It's hard to go back to that smaller screen and slower processor! It's running 4.0.3 and working fine, but after loading it up with software a bit I'm now interesting in making it more power efficient. I'll definitely give MeanROM 2.6 a try--thanks. Sense 3.6 is very nice and fine enough for me (not aching for 4.0). Did you V6 SuperCharge it? I've also seen chatter about making the CPU run at a lower voltage. Apparently there's enough of a margin in the architecture to allow for it without a performance or reliability hit.


Makes sense. I'm definitely in no hurry to adopt LTE, especially if it's such a hit on battery life with the present architectures. I'm guessing there are ways to configure the handset to drop back to 4G when not actively using the phone (seriously, 3G is all you need for routine data updates anyway).

I'm also finding that the WiFi signal strength is better on the 3VO than the Hero. I didn't realize that voicemail will still download via the WiFi signal in lieu of the mobile network, which is great. Doing most app downloads on WiFi from home will keep my data usage very low, although I'm curious to see how much data is drawn when using TeleNav software over the mobile network when on the road.

Anyway, the 3VO is definitely a fine phone, despite a history of complaints about various things. I guess over time they got worked out, but the paper trail of woes is still out there (apparently the first firmware was seriously flawed, people had PRL and other radio update problems that caused terrible signal strength, and battery life wasn't very good either [although often this is a user issue]). From what I've experienced so far, it's a real "best buy" when it comes to used 4G Android phones.

I have not flashed V6 SuperCharger onto MeanROM. I think the default configuration is pretty good. It uses both cores when the screen is on for great performance and then only one core (the other is power gated), when the screen is off for great idle efficiency. I am not 100% sure what CPU speed MeanROM's kernel is running on by default, but I plan finding out at some point soon. It might be at the stock 1.2GHz or it might be 1.5GHz, which would be fine. So far, I am extremely pleased with it and I will probably keep it as my daily driver for a while, but I am aching to return to stock AOSP Android, so I will probably get off my butt and try a few stock Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean ROMs to see what I like.

You are correct about the Wi-Fi signal strength. I have noticed that it gets noticeably better reception than my old Sprint HTC Hero. That could, of course, just be that that the Sprint HTC EVO 3D is being generous on how it is reporting it or vice versa for the Sprint HTC Hero. Unfortunately, the Sprint HTC EVO 3D is an underrated handset. The specifications are very good, but everyone got hung up on the 3D part and that bred distaste for it. Sprint responded to that by not supporting it very well and ultimately discontinuing it very early. I doubt it will ever see an official Jelly Bean based update from HTC even though the hardware could EASILY handle it. Jelly Bean just enhances the capability of even very old hardware, so the Sprint HTC EVO 3D would see a big jump in performance. By the way, Xevious, are you on Twitter? I enjoy having these conversations with you.

 

[boblo]

Whoo. Got myself a sprint galaxy note 2, rooted it, and installed a custom rom. It's so smooth with the custom kernal named the perseus kernal. Also, has anybody tried the seeder app? I don't really know if it works or not. I don't even have lag to begin with unless I'm unlocking my phone, which is fine since I toned down my frequency for when my screen is off. Anyway, I'll probably be gobe for a while, thanks for all the help you guys have provided to me in this section!

 

[LBPHeretic]

Congratulations on your new handset. I would avoid the Seeder app.

From what I can tell, it really does not do that much except keep your handset's I/O up and ready, which may seem like a faster experience. In reality, it is just a battery drain and a false impression of speed.

 

[boblo]

Alright, so all it does is drain battery? Ok. I hate sprint's 3g speeds right now, can't even watch some 360p videos . Will sprint roll out a lot more 4glte this year? I fear that if they don't, everyoje will kove to tmobile since they now have a truly unlimited data plan with hspa+, which isn't as cheap now. What should I do with my hero now?

 

[xevious]

You are correct about the Wi-Fi signal strength. I have noticed that it gets noticeably better reception than my old Sprint HTC Hero. That could, of course, just be that that the Sprint HTC EVO 3D is being generous on how it is reporting it or vice versa for the Sprint HTC Hero. Unfortunately, the Sprint HTC EVO 3D is an underrated handset. The specifications are very good, but everyone got hung up on the 3D part and that bred distaste for it. Sprint responded to that by not supporting it very well and ultimately discontinuing it very early. I doubt it will ever see an official Jelly Bean based update from HTC even though the hardware could EASILY handle it. Jelly Bean just enhances the capability of even very old hardware, so the Sprint HTC EVO 3D would see a big jump in performance. By the way, Xevious, are you on Twitter? I enjoy having these conversations with you.

Could very well be that they report signal strength differently, but I've definitely experienced better performance in my home. I actually don't mind the Evo 3D being underrated and discontinued early, because it means plenty of very affordable handsets available. As for Twitter, I'm on it but don't use it any more. Seems like it's well suited for celebrity and high profile types who have to keep a large number of people apprised of their activities. My life is too far below the radar for that! Do you use Twitter much?

 

[LBPHeretic]

Alright, so all it does is drain battery? Ok. I hate sprint's 3g speeds right now, can't even watch some 360p videos . Will sprint roll out a lot more 4glte this year? I fear that if they don't, everyoje will kove to tmobile since they now have a truly unlimited data plan with hspa+, which isn't as cheap now. What should I do with my hero now?

To answer your last question first, you can use your Sprint HTC Hero as an Internet connected media device. I still use mine to stream songs to my Bluetooth speaker as well as for occasional web browsing and YouTube when my other devices are charging. Secondly, I am pretty sure all Seeder will do is result in lower battery life. It will give you that placebo effect of seeming faster, but it is probably not worth the reduced battery efficiency.

Sprint is rolling out LTE to more markets and they are also enhancing their existing 3G infrastructure. I have actually always had pretty good 3G speeds with Sprint, but in the last six months or so, I have noticed those speeds climb a bit higher and stay consistently higher. I also have great Wi-Max bandwidth around my area. I see anywhere from 15 Mbps to 20 Mbps often. That being said, LTE has not be rolled out in my area, which is kind of a bummer. I am still using a handset that uses Wi-Max, so I am okay for now, but when my quickly approaching upgrade hits, I hope LTE is here.

 

[LBPHeretic]

Could very well be that they report signal strength differently, but I've definitely experienced better performance in my home. I actually don't mind the Evo 3D being underrated and discontinued early, because it means plenty of very affordable handsets available. As for Twitter, I'm on it but don't use it any more. Seems like it's well suited for celebrity and high profile types who have to keep a large number of people apprised of their activities. My life is too far below the radar for that! Do you use Twitter much?

Good point about the availability of cheaper Sprint HTC EVO 3D handsets. I would get a spare, but at this point, I am pretty close to my upgrade anyway so my current handset will be retired soon, as I assume my wife will upgrade her Sprint HTC EVO 4G as well.

I use Twitter daily. Mostly for pulling in useful news, but I also like to see what my friends, family, and acquaintances are saying. I put my thoughts out on Twitter fairly regularly, many of which are Android related. If you want to follow me, you are welcome to, but there is no pressure to. I just enjoy talking to fellow Android users on there. It is fun.

 

[boblo]

Hopefully, lte comes out fast
Anyways, why is my upload speed faster than my download speed by 200%?

 

[MahaloCat]

...Im Getting ready for something new myself - Evo3d has been awesome...
especially now with CM10 AOKP PACMAN all having unofficial roms...

 

[LBPHeretic]

How is that CyanogenMod 10 AOKP P.A.C.M.A.N. ROM, MahaloCat? I have been thinking about trying a few new CyanogenMod 10 based ROMs soon.

I am currently running MeanROM v2.6, which is basically a tweaked HTC Sense 3.6 with Android 4.0. I like it a lot and it is super smooth, but I would love to give a Jelly Bean AOSP ROM a try on my Sprint HTC EVO 3D because I love Jelly Bean on my B&N Nook Color, HP TouchPad, and Google Asus Nexus 7.

 

[MahaloCat]

Its Really good - flashed 19.1.0 last night (its in the previous versions link in his OP on xda)
This ROM is a BEAST....
Im not easily impressed...but this does the trick.