split forums 9505 and 9500

[sntaylor]

I know the root sections have been spilt up which is great,I don't know if it needs another section added there or just in the general forum but certainly root section I think needs another addition! Maybe I'm just biased but in the international root I'm seeing both variants being discussed while there are 4 carriers separate?!

 

[Frisco]

Not sure, sntaylor.. so I placed your thread here in the Suggestion Box and Feedback area where Admins and concerned citizens who frequent this area can give opinions.. take action or be annoyed.

Besides, I do know that they like kitties in here.

 

[sntaylor]

Lol forgot there was a suggestions section,I just wanted to put it somewhere relevant and where it'd be seen! Lol

just helps save from confusion, especially when the American carrier phones will be able to use the same Roms! The only split on xda is 9505 and 9500!

Thanks

 

[Atma]

Its probably not a bad idea splitting them someway since they have different chipsets and cpu's.

Yes, its looking like all US carriers can interchange roms. Just may have to use a different kernel. I've seen US phones even running the i9505 roms. However, the i9500 roms might brick a US phone. And I think there are variations in rooting them all.

 

[sntaylor]

Think you could be right on those I know there are/will be plenty similarities, might even be worthwhile having one root section and further sub forums for the device specific queries?

I just don't understand why Samsung have to release so many variations of the same device!

 

[sntaylor]

Another issue is that people(sorry but it is generally Americans) call the 9500 the international version, when the reality is most people who would be classed as the international device, are on the 9505 instead!

not huge issues right now, but will cause problems later in time when more users start coming here/rooting them!

 

[Kelmar]

YES, please split them (or at least require a prefix indicating which version they have).

There are some obvious similarities but there are also some SIGNIFICANT differences.

 

[EarlyMon]

Ok - long day, long story lol and I get easily confused so - please make sure I understand:

Where we now have one:

(International) Galaxy S4 - All Things Root

We need:

(International - i9500) Galaxy S4 - All Things Root
(International - i9505) Galaxy S4 - All Things Root

Yes?

 

[Kelmar]

Negative. Root sections are fine as is. Think more like the old Hero section(s). That is, completely separate forums for the two build versions.

 

[Frisco]

Ok - long day, long story lol and I get easily confused so - please make sure I understand:

Where we now have one:

(International) Galaxy S4 - All Things Root

We need:

(International - i9500) Galaxy S4 - All Things Root
(International - i9505) Galaxy S4 - All Things Root

Yes?

They need separate forums. And I don't blame them:

Samsung I9500 Galaxy S4 vs Samsung I9505 Galaxy S4: Double or nothing - GSMArena.com

 

[EarlyMon]

That sorted itself for the SGS3 and HTC One X last year and those had separate builds.

I've gotten several PMs requesting separate forums here because the issues are separate - citing a thread that only affects the 9500 and within hours, someone is posting that the 9505 has the same trouble - and vice versa.

And we learned from the SGS2 that people either don't respect which model forum they belong in or they cross-post.

Why is this separation really needed?

What is different about general non-root support that was not the same discussion as last year?

Aside from rooting and synthetic benchmarks, how is "where are my pictures?" any different because of the motherboards??

 

[Kelmar]

There are some similarities across both but let's not kid ourselves that without some way to differentiate the International GSM, USA GSM and USA CDMA that somehow and someway someone is going to screw up their phone big-time. As I mentioned above, even a mandatory prefix would suffice.

As it did right now, we (and you) are losing members due to the misinformation that's being spewed from all of us trying to help others when a simple fix/change could resolve it.

 

[EarlyMon]

There are some similarities across both but let's not kid ourselves that without some way to differentiate the International GSM, USA GSM and USA CDMA that somehow and someway someone is going to screw up their phone big-time. As I mentioned above, even a mandatory prefix would suffice.

As it did right now, we (and you) are losing members due to the misinformation that's being spewed from all of us trying to help others when a simple fix/change could resolve it.

Please cite a non root related example, thanks.

 

[Kelmar]

Will do when home.

 

[Kelmar]

How many examples do you want? How in depth? Generic or specific?

 

[Frisco]

How many examples do you want? How in depth? Generic or specific?

I know you're asking EM, Kelmar my friend.

I've been looking for the differences (posted a link that had more fluff than what I'd call "user needed info as applied to forum queried issues" or some such ).

I can't find much.. the core ("octa" blah..) stuff seems roughly relevant in the user's atmosphere (or rather to the user in the right country). But will those users need completely different forums here?

The idea of split root subs is beginning to seem the lean, imo.

But I'm only saying this while knowing that you both have more knowledge about that device's two "international" flavors than I do. Just trying to find stuff to make all this more info laden than it is now.. you guys will get it there.

 

[Kelmar]

Like I said, I'm cool with prefixes to indicate which model they have so that way EVERYONE can help.

There are the physical differences like cores, processing power and FM tuners. Also the obvious differences such as CDMA vs GSM and their respective radios and which networks they can "travel" on.

Other software differences can vary from APN settings (see my thread that WITHOUT prefixes could be very problematic if an international user tried and removed their APN without testing it first) which is a non root change. Changing settings through dialers (*#*#4363, etc). As well as carrier related differences (Verizon as an example removed the Wi-Fi toggle and blocking mode).

Or if someone is trying to use Odin ir Kies to update and something goes odd. Trying to update a T-mobile phone in the US would brick a phone if we thought it was international (or vice versa).

IMO, prefixes is the easiest solution... so that ALL of us can assist. My personal second choice is separate forums (but that was the original question of the thread).

A change IS needed, in some way, shape or form to help curb this issue before we do a major fubar.

 

[jhawkkw]

We have separate forums for the international S3 versions:
Samsung Galaxy S3 (I9300)
Samsung Galaxy S3 4G LTE (International) (I9305)

I'm personally not a fan of them being split for the general forum because in 90% of the non root questions will be the same across the devices. But I do think a separate root forum should be considered.

 

[EarlyMon]

The SGS3 LTE was one model variation and is not all international SGS3.

 

[jhawkkw]

The SGS3 LTE was one model variation and is not all international SGS3.

True, it was a different name. But if I recall correctly, but I could be wrong, wasn't it based off of the I9305?

 

[EarlyMon]

True, it was a different name. But if I recall correctly, but I could be wrong, wasn't it based off of the I9305?

Don't know offhand. The SGS3 forum was set up and used by quad core international and dual core domestic users.

We made that LTE one because Phandroid called for it.

I guess at this point it's better to focus on the issues being brought up for the SGS4.

 

[EarlyMon]

Ok, not suggesting or promising here, just asking...

If we had a support subforum and prefixes within it, for each of the two models and both, would that solve things?

I'm not seeing from this feedback that general, tips or accessories are at stake.

Yes, no, other?

 

[Kelmar]

I still stand by the prefix option. It'll allow the most people to see the thread and allow the most people to be able to help.

 

[Slug]

If you go the prefix route, please ensure that it is mandatory when creating a new topic otherwise the majority won't bother.

 

[Frisco]

Ok, not suggesting or promising here, just asking...

If we had a support subforum and prefixes within it, for each of the two models and both, would that solve things?

I'm not seeing from this feedback that general, tips or accessories are at stake.

Yes, no, other?

A lot of Staff time is spent correcting mistakenly prefixed threads. How will Staffers know if the OP has selected the correct prefix, unless mentioned in the thread somewhere? And which will be the default?