Are Rush Limbaugh & Glenn Beck on the Mark

[brab]

How can the highly volatile hate speak which Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck use further the public discourse. Is Obama a Nazi? Are we really an arms length from Communism. To listen to these two guys you would think the United States will be the next USSR.

 

[Crude]

How can the highly volatile hate speak which Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck use further the public discourse. Is Obama a Nazi? Are we really an arms length from Communism. To listen to these two guys you would think the United States will be the next USSR.

In all honesty you have to take what these guys say with a grain of salt. Remember their job is ratings. That said russia have been saying since the cold war that Americawill fall to socialism from the inside. Who would know better then those that preceded us.

 

[2003vstrom]

yeah I like Glenn better than Rush, the way I see it if, us, WE THE PEOPLE, don`t take our country back, we are so screwed what happen to the U.S. constitution

 

[TheBeardedMann]

You should listen to Michael Savage anyways.

 

[soulfetcher13]

Absolutely. Glen and Rush are conservative light. Not bad but not my cup of tea. The Savage Nation radio program is probably as complete a program of any kind; radio or TV, that one can find out there. That is my opinion but the way and the ability to blend topics from literature to art, ancient and recent history is pretty good. Just one mans opinion.

 

[hakr100]

You should listen to Michael Savage anyways.

Oi!

No offense, but like all people, my time on this planet is limited. Wasting any of it listening to hate-filled lunatics like limbaugh, beck, or savage is sinful.

 

[brab]

Okay guys, here's my take. Rush calls Obama a Nazi. Can't remember the housing of or the attempted extermination yet of a race of people. If he were a Nazi, he would have already exterminated the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michael Savage.

Where's our Constitution? Hmmm! Me thinks it's a living document, or so I've been told. The founders of the Constitution lived in a day when if you needed a standing army, militias were created, loosely confederated, fighting for the same cause which at that time of course was to defeat the British. The right to form militias and bear arms should be taken in that context but the political right has determined the constitution should be taken literally, (like the Bible, I believe in talking snakes), and all of us should be packing. Seems to me our Nazi president should order his jack booted thugs to come down on these born again mlitias with both boots but he hasn't, (yet).

If the Constitution is a living document, then it evolves via the whim of the American people. If we elect a conservative president, he appoints conservative justices. Such as Roberts and Allito who have determined that corporations should have the same voice as individuals and that the spending of money equates to free speech which means the more money you have, the more speak you have. The more money you have, the louder your voice. Thus persons who have often inherited their privelidged positions with the proverbial silver spoons in their mouths, are born with a louder voice than you, my poor bumpkin. Carry this to its illogical extreme, the richest man in the United States has the loudest voice and can outshout all naysayers. This stance is bad enough, providing the filthy rich individual with a louder voice but to equate a corporation with the individual and allow the same rights to it. This sort of mindset is the reason we're ruled today by the special interest.

The problem with taking the things these hate speakers say with a grain of salt is that there are many hate filled people who take this speak as validation of their own necrotic thought processes. There was a time not so far in the past when an influential senator, Joseph McCarthy, accused any individual that he chose to, to be a communist and that person was then ostracized by society because of his accusation alone. Eventually, a great man stood up and called him on his hate speak. McCarthy was eventually censured by the United States Senate and retired in ignominy. By the way, one of his staunchest supporters was Richard Nixon who also retired in ignominy; not a coincidence I dare say.

This country is in for real trouble in the not so distance future if the type of speak that these people spew continues without an influential leader on the right challenging it for what it is. And that is what it will take, no one on the left can challenge their hate with credibility. If the truth be known, these people and those who think like them are much closer to Nazi ilk than anyone on the left you can name and those who follow them are the new brown shirts.

 

[2k2s2k]

YouTube - Jon Stewart spoofs Glenn Beck's WACKO conspiracies. LOL!!! - Countdown

 

[Crude]

Talk radio is a right wing conservative thing. No equal exists with opposing views. That being said...

Okay guys, here's my take. Rush calls Obama a Nazi. Can't remember the housing of or the attempted extermination yet of a race of people. If he were a Nazi, he would have already exterminated the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michael Savage.

I'm pretty sure this is taken out of context. Almost every line that people use to criticize these guys is taken out of context. If Rush called him a Nazi is was probably based on political views ( which would be correct ) and no so much all the other things Nazi's did. Nazis started as Germans Nazional Socialistitische Partei. The second part there is important.

Where's our Constitution? Hmmm! Me thinks it's a living document, or so I've been told.

You are correct. But you misunderstand the meaning...we'll get to that.

The founders of the Constitution lived in a day when if you needed a standing army, militias were created, loosely confederated, fighting for the same cause which at that time of course was to defeat the British. The right to form militias and bear arms should be taken in that context but the political right has determined the constitution should be taken literally, (like the Bible, I believe in talking snakes), and all of us should be packing.

The 2nd as you are referring to was actually put in there to protect the people from their own gorvernment. At the time this particular document was penned we had already defeated the british ( which is why we were making documents to run a new State ). No one "should" be packing, but as it is written you have the right.

Seems to me our Nazi president should order his jack booted thugs to come down on these born again mlitias with both boots but he hasn't, (yet).

Same as above. Additionally, as it stands now Americans can and will defend them selves. The 2nd is kinda nice eh?

If the Constitution is a living document, then it evolves via the whim of the American people.

A living document means that the rules, examples, etc can be applied current to many situations. In other words the document does not referance specifics but gives specific direction.

If we elect a conservative president, he appoints conservative justices. Such as Roberts and Allito who have determined that corporations should have the same voice as individuals and that the spending of money equates to free speech which means the more money you have, the more speak you have. The more money you have, the louder your voice. Thus persons who have often inherited their privelidged positions with the proverbial silver spoons in their mouths, are born with a louder voice than you, my poor bumpkin. Carry this to its illogical extreme, the richest man in the United States has the loudest voice and can outshout all naysayers. This stance is bad enough, providing the filthy rich individual with a louder voice but to equate a corporation with the individual and allow the same rights to it. This sort of mindset is the reason we're ruled today by the special interest.

This is called an oligarchy. We are a republic. Our republic is designed with a system of checks and balances that have been systematically circumvented. This is a problem, but we the people just keep voting for more handouts.

The problem with taking the things these hate speakers say with a grain of salt is that there are many hate filled people who take this speak as validation of their own necrotic thought processes.

This is a psychological issue and no one is responsible for their own actions but them selves.

There was a time not so far in the past when an influential senator, Joseph McCarthy, accused any individual that he chose to, to be a communist and that person was then ostracized by society because of his accusation alone. Eventually, a great man stood up and called him on his hate speak. McCarthy was eventually censured by the United States Senate and retired in ignominy. By the way, one of his staunchest supporters was Richard Nixon who also retired in ignominy; not a coincidence I dare say.

This country is in for real trouble in the not so distance future if the type of speak that these people spew continues without an influential leader on the right challenging it for what it is. And that is what it will take, no one on the left can challenge their hate with credibility. If the truth be known, these people and those who think like them are much closer to Nazi ilk than anyone on the left you can name and those who follow them are the new brown shirts.

Trust me there is at least as much if not more hate flowing from movements like moveon.org and the likes (Al Sharpton is a snake with a split tongue).

But as I said earlier, I'm 99% sure this is taken out of context. It's your responsibility to know who you are voting for. Beyond that if you don't think they have anything to say, don't listen....gotta love that ignore list eh?

 

[jisoo411]

Rush, Glenn, and Savage are the 3-ring circus of conservative talk shows with Coulter as the bearded lady side attraction...people will gawk and listen because of the sensationalism but that's about as believable is it gets for anyone with common sense. Like one of the previous posts said, their primary job is ratings.

 

[Highland Ranger]

I bet no one bashing Rush or Beck in this thread has ever listened to them - just regurgitating what the state run media spoon feeds them.

Try listening and thinking for yourselves . . . . even if you are a naive kid - there's no excuse for not having a mind of your own.

PS - here's a tip for you - the 2nd was put in 2nd to guarantee the 1st

 

[Slug]

Nazis started as Germans Nazional Socialistitische Partei. The second part there is important.

National Socialism is as far to the right of the political spectrum as Communist Socialism is to the left. Their ideals and principles are so completely different as to be exact opposites. You could support the principles of one or the other, but never both.

 

[hakr100]

Ha! I've seen Beck and Limbaugh perform. Their acts are designed to appeal to the lowest, basest, most poorly educated, least empathetic, least logical, most easily misled males in this country. They spread nothing but hate, and both of them lie at every opportunity. They're constantly caught in lies. If Beck is not acting with all those histrionics, then he is certifiable.

There is no shortage of lucid, logical, decent conservative commentators. I don't agree with most of what they say or write, but when I view their opinions, I don't feel as if my intelligence is being insulted. Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, and a few others make me shudder mentally.

 

[brab]

Crude
Theoretically, you are correct, the peace agreement between the Americans and British was signed before the Constitution was ratified but that did not establish peace between the two. In the Brit's minds we were still a colony.

The second ammendment should still be taken in the context in which it was written, just like the entire Constitution should be. You can't apply rules that were written and meant to be applied in the late 1700's to the 21st century without understanding that context.

If a militia is established and well regulated, who shall regulate it? The federal government shall. It is only a matter of time before one of the gun toting proponents of the second amendment, carries his gun into a public place and kills someone. Let's see how your gun toting theory stands up to the scrutiny that will be given such a case.

Mr. Highland Ranger
If you are implying that I am a kid, that would not be correct. I have listened to both Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck for many hours. Neither of them care for this country but care instead about their ratings and the money they can put in their bank accounts.

Mr. Limbaugh, a dope head, has no problem seeing others condemned to years in prison for using drugs, which harm only them, yet when he is brought to task for his drug use, he is a victim, politically persecuted. (By the way, the reason he is deaf is because of his oxycotin abuse.)

Also, Mr. Limbaugh, your bastion of virtue, with talent on loan from God, has been married 5 times. I'm sure all those marriages failed because the women were not virtuous enough.

Glenn Beck is a more serious nut case than Rush Limbaugh. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Just when you think he's making sense, he says something that makes him look like a fool. If you are progressive, then you are be feared. If you hear the word, "Progressive" in your Church, you better find another place to worship. I think we should all instead be "Regressive", don't you Mr. Highland Ranger. Jesus was certainly no "Progressive" was he? Jesus had no "Empathy", did he.

So if you guys thinks hate speak is a good thing, you just prove my point. People that embrace the hate speak, laugh about it, say if you don't like it, listen to something else, are asking people, who are progressive and do have empathy to deny their own eyes. That's what happened in Germany. People that opposed the hate that Hitler espoused turned away, failed to speak. It's not going to happen in this country.

 

[pmdied]

Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer, written in 1959. Any comparisons made of our presidents, whether Republican on Democrat, to Nazism is a grossly ill-conceived.

 

[Crude]

Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer, written in 1959. Any comparisons made of our presidents, whether Republican on Democrat, to Nazism is a grossly ill-conceived.

Agreed, but both sides like to use the term. The double standard makes me want to puke.
It's worth mentioning that I speak German as my second language and spend 12 years in Germany/ Austria. I know better then most what Nazi's did.

 

[Crude]

Crude
Theoretically, you are correct, the peace agreement between the Americans and British was signed before the Constitution was ratified but that did not establish peace between the two. In the Brit's minds we were still a colony.

The second ammendment should still be taken in the context in which it was written, just like the entire Constitution should be. You can't apply rules that were written and meant to be applied in the late 1700's to the 21st century without understanding that context.

So the first doesn't apply anymore either as the british aren't going to invade us anymore and limit our newspapers? The constituion is thus not a living document.

If a militia is established and well regulated, who shall regulate it? The federal government shall. It is only a matter of time before one of the gun toting proponents of the second amendment, carries his gun into a public place and kills someone. Let's see how your gun toting theory stands up to the scrutiny that will be given such a case.

Try that with "the right to keep and bare arms".

This incident already happened. The theory stands as we still can still drive cars though hundreds on people are killed with them, same with baseball bats and kitchen knives. I will carry until the day I die, which may come early if a government tries to disarm me.

Your colors are clear at this point. If you think any amount of mental gymnastics will circumvent the 2nd then you are beyond all reason. You will waste no more of my time on these issues.

 

[Highland Ranger]

Look up your history - gun confiscations and bans precede genocide. In fact one of our major pieces of legislation, Gun Control Act of 68 I believe was modeled after a Nazi law.

(Can't have those Jews shooting at you as you round them up.)

And the first gun control laws in this country have their history in racism - they were passed in an effort to make sure the newly freed slaves had trouble arming themselves.

Makes all that cross burning messy when the black folk shoot at you as you're trying to light the cross while not getting your white sheet dirty.

But this is an old argument. Tide has turned what with the DC ruling, right to carry in so many states etc. You lost. Get over it. But more importantly, don't propagate that failed rhetoric. I think even Soros is spending his money on other issues now.

I'll leave the religious stuff alone. Not my area of expertise.

Also notice that you personally attack and ridicule Limbaugh and Beck but don't really address some of the things the say.

Must burn you up how many people are opening their eyes eh?

 

[DenverRalphy]

In all honesty you have to take what these guys say with a grain of salt. Remember their job is ratings. That said russia have been saying since the cold war that Americawill fall to socialism from the inside. Who would know better then those that preceded us.

That's a waste of perfectly good salt.

 

[wiretap]

National Socialism is as far to the right of the political spectrum as Communist Socialism is to the left. Their ideals and principles are so completely different as to be exact opposites. You could support the principles of one or the other, but never both.

No.. National Socialism is far to the left. It's complete authoritarian control mixed with corporatism.. something that we're seeing grow right now in the United States in relation with the big banks and military industrial complex.

Conservatism is very small limited government as close to anarchy as you can get without losing control.

But to the original topic.. Rush and Glenn are missing the mark, although Rush has slightly awakened in the past few months. Michael Savage is somewhat there too.. The only person who has consistently hit the nail on the head however.. Alex Jones.

 

[Slug]

No.. National Socialism is far to the left.

Excuse me, but no way on God's little green earth could the Nazis ever be described as left-wing. Good grief, they were Fascists.... the very antithesis of Communists/Socialists.

 

[hakr100]

Excuse me, but no way on God's little green earth could the Nazis ever be described as left-wing. Good grief, they were Fascists.... the very antithesis of Communists/Socialists.

There you go...letting that secret out of the bag.

 

[Bluesman2008]

No offense, but like all people, my time on this planet is limited. Wasting any of it listening to hate-filled lunatics like limbaugh, beck, or savage is sinful.

Amen brother. Those three are truly sickos.

 

[wiretap]

Excuse me, but no way on God's little green earth could the Nazis ever be described as left-wing. Good grief, they were Fascists.... the very antithesis of Communists/Socialists.

That's how the mainstream media 'educating' the sheep paint the right left paradigm to be, but in reality that isn't the case. The further left you go, the more control and totalitarianism there is.. the further right you go, the less government there is. On one end you have Nazism, on the other end you have Anarchism.

 

[hakr100]

That's how the mainstream media 'educating' the sheep paint the right left paradigm to be, but in reality that isn't the case. The further left you go, the more control and totalitarianism there is.. the further right you go, the less government there is. On one end you have Nazism, on the other end you have Anarchism.

I'm sorry, but...