Froyo On Evo Date Speculation

[jadoe05]

Ok so we have an estimated time frame on when HTC should be done with Froyo to have it released to the carriers.

Android 2.2 Froyo Update: HTC Release Date Plans in 2010 : Product Reviews Net

This thread is a little different though.

There are several broad time frames out there in various articles. The consensus on what HTC said seems to be that they will be done in the second half of 2010 no earlier than July 1st.

Here is my guess and let's all hope I am way off base.

If HTC decides to use the same exact version of Sense they could be done by July 1st.

I doubt they will do that because HTC loves being innovative with their software. With an update as big as Froyo should be I think there will be some big changes/additions to Sense UI. So with that said let's say HTC finishes in August.

Now it is Sprint's turn. I think they will drag their feet just like any other device update.

First I believe they are going to really want to get rid of the biggest Froyo addition that they will likely see as a disadvantage, Free WIFI Tethering. On top of that I don't believe there will be many people complaining about an OS update. I think we make up a small percentage of the people that will actually buy the EVO. And half of us will just flash custom roms, so I doubt they will feel they need to rush to get an update out for us to use.

That being said I truly think the Froyo update will not be out Until late September at the earliest.

Agree? Disagree?

Why? Why not?

Post anything related to the update in this thread. Hopefully this will stop the forum from being flooded with dozens of update theads.

Also let's please keep this friendly and on topic. Thanks. Discuss.

 

[RiverOfIce]

Sense we are speculating, I say late june or early july.

 

[jadoe05]

Sense we are speculating, I say late june or early july.

Interesting. I know you are very knowledgeable. Is this a shot in the dark or is there reasoning behind it?

 

[TheBiles]

I saw an article stating July somewhere.

 

[jadoe05]

I saw an article stating July somewhere.

Yes HTC said they would be done with it on July 1st at the earliest.

 

[fr4nk1yn]

Google couldn't have built in tethering without have an way out for the carriers.
That would be insane. They're aware that carriers like charging for that. Not an issue.

HTC will want this out ASAP, if they can jam the current Sense on there I'm pretty sure they'd do it. Not an issue.

Experience with Sprint and WebOS tells us that they don't "drag their feet".
WebOS updates were all released in less than a month after being submitted. Some only took days. Also not an issue.

I'll say we'll get it soon if not on launch, and I've been saying that before OZcarguide.

-edit: where the article? Last I heard 2nd Qt for all 2010 phones.

 

[RiverOfIce]

Interesting. I know you are very knowledgeable. Is this a shot in the dark or is there reasoning behind it?

It is just a wild guess. I think htc will want to rain on apples parade. Tethering, efficiency, and the list of hundred other things that froyo will do, will be directly compared to apple. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I also think sense is matured enough and the process for upgrade is clear enough that a 3-4 month upgrade cycle is just too long.

 

[cabbie]

Experience with Sprint and WebOS tells us that they don't "drag their feet".

What about the experience with Sprint, HTC Hero and android? They have been blueballing me since december for 2.1 and we just now got it.

 

[jadoe05]

Google couldn't have built in tethering without have an way out for the carriers.
That would be insane. They're aware that carriers like charging for that. Not an issue.

When a developer makes an OS for multiple carriers/platforms they either, release the source code for further development(which I actually think they do in both cases), or work with the platform owner/carrier in order to change/add features.

This is the "way out" that you speak of. I've been programming for a few years. Any program you write can be changed if you have access to the source code. I wasn't saying that Sprint would have trouble disabling the free tethering. What I mean is that it would take more time with them or them and HTC having to implement and test code that disables it then if HTC just makes sure Sense works and releases it.

HTC will want this out ASAP, if they can jam the current Sense on there I'm pretty sure they'd do it. Not an issue.

Not HTC's call when it goes live on Sprint. If they have specific things they have that they want or don't want on the EVO they will take the necessary time to enable/disable and test the features before releasing an official update.

Experience with Sprint and WebOS tells us that they don't "drag their feet".
WebOS updates were all released in less than a month after being submitted. Some only took days. Also not an issue.

A WebOS update is a completely different process.

1. Most "updates" were bug fixes/patches, not full OS upgrades.

2. The times when it was a full upgrade remember Palm could work directly with Sprint to take care of these things.

3. Palm was developing for Sprint in that case. The links being Palm > Sprint > user.

This chain for the Evo is Google > HTC > Sprint and in the past in every case when that was the chain or if it was Microsoft > HTC > Sprint, Sprint would "drag their feet" and almost every other carrier would have their updates at least a month before Sprint.

-edit: where the article? Last I heard 2nd Qt for all 2010 phones.

You got me here. lol. I don't have a link to the article. I saw it on these forums,but don't remember which thread. If anyone can find it for me that would be awesome.

 

[polkadots]

October.

 

[jadoe05]

It is just a wild guess. I think htc will want to rain on apples parade. Tethering, efficiency, and the list of hundred other things that froyo will do, will be directly compared to apple. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I also think sense is matured enough and the process for upgrade is clear enough that a 3-4 month upgrade cycle is just too long.

That makes sense. I am just sticking with past updates in which HTC was the middle man. I really do hope that I am wrong though.

On a side note. Thanks to everyone contributing so far. Let's keep the opinions coming.

 

[TheBiles]

What about the experience with Sprint, HTC Hero and android? They have been blueballing me since december for 2.1 and we just now got it.

The jump from 2.1 to 2.2 is nothing compared to a hacked-up 1.5 to 2.1.

 

[jadoe05]

The jump from 2.1 to 2.2 is nothing compared to a hacked-up 1.5 to 2.1.

Maybe, maybe not. Let's hope so...

 

[Roman G.]

I am going with the first week after the phone is released.

 

[jadoe05]

That would be awesome as I might not get it on the 4th. Here's to wishful thinking.

 

[stroths]

I remember reading the article where Sprint said they have learned their lesson from the Palm Pre release. Hopefully that means they will get behind this as their flagship device and get 2.2 out ASAP.

 

[jadoe05]

I remember reading the article where Sprint said they have learned their lesson from the Palm Pre release. Hopefully that means they will get behind this as their flagship device and get 2.2 out ASAP.

Well I never owned a Pre, but according to fr4nk1yn there weren't any issues getting it updated from Sprint. But, I do know that there were issues with the HTC 6700(Mogul), HTC Touch Pro, HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC Hero, and (even though not HTC) the Samsung moment.

 

[fr4nk1yn]

the error was with the launch, limited inventory, exclusivity period, etc.

Updates were never a problem. At least not getting them released.

 

[djdisturbed]

the error was with the launch, limited inventory, exclusivity period, etc.

Updates were never a problem. At least not getting them released.

yeah, there was even an OTA update ready on release day, then another one a few weeks later (but these were mostly just bug fixes, Hell almost all the pre updates were bug fixes, or adding things that should have been there from the start, there whave been only like 1 or 2 BIG updates (as in big meaning they added alot of cool things) in the past year, but even those were things other smart phones were already doing (and one of those updates took like 45-90 days for sprint to approve according to info palm posted about update approval times from the diff carriers)

 

[80s_kid]

im banking on august/september. it might not be needed, depending on how quick it gets rooted. i'll be just fine till then lol.

 

[twospirits]

In my opinion, Late June or Early July for HTC to do their stuff, then its goes to Sprint for their internal testings. Which if history is any guess could take anywhere from a month to 6 months. My money is about Late August.

But like others have said, they have learned their lesson from previous model updates and they wouldn't want to have their flagship phone out of the loop for too long of a time. The sooner the better.
Plus I really think (again just an opinion) that going from 2.1 to 2.2 is or should be easier than going from anything before that version.

Great thread btw.

TS out (looking in his crystal ball)

 

[TheBiles]

Of course, you can always remember that the phone will most likely be rooted in the very near future, and official ROMs are usually leaked (like with the Hero).

 

[Nem_Zero]

Yes yes! More speculation! It's what gets me going in the morning!

June 28th (but only if it doesn't come within a week of EVO release)

If I get that right can I get like a million thanks? lol

 

[nyijedi]

Barring any announcements re: Froyo before the EVO is released, I feel HTC/Sprint is really dropping the ball on this. Existing Sprint customers who want an Android phone will be getting the EVO regardless of the status of Froyo. If I was on Sprint, I would certainly be doing the same thing.

However, there are a lot of Android fans out there on other carriers with other Android phones who would QUICKLY jump ship to Sprint for the EVO. I know because I was one of them. I even reserved the EVO on the first day it was available at Best Buy. However, HTC's terrible track record of providing updates to their SenseUI phones has me reconsidering switching to Sprint and the EVO from Verizon and my Droid (which is stock Android).

I'm sorry, but it just seems silly to be releasing this powerhouse of an Android phone with anything but the latest version of the OS.

I'm sorry for my rant, but I'm just really disappointed.

 

[GeneralPatton]

Barring any announcements re: Froyo before the EVO is released, I feel HTC/Sprint is really dropping the ball on this. Existing Sprint customers who want an Android phone will be getting the EVO regardless of the status of Froyo. If I was on Sprint, I would certainly be doing the same thing.

However, there are a lot of Android fans out there on other carriers with other Android phones who would QUICKLY jump ship to Sprint for the EVO. I know because I was one of them. I even reserved the EVO on the first day it was available at Best Buy. However, HTC's terrible track record of providing updates to their SenseUI phones has me reconsidering switching to Sprint and the EVO from Verizon and my Droid (which is stock Android).

I'm sorry, but it just seems silly to be releasing this powerhouse of an Android phone with anything but the latest version of the OS.

I'm sorry for my rant, but I'm just really disappointed.

You have to realize that with 2.2 just being released, HTC does not have the time to incorporate it's own modifications (Sense UI) into Froyo before the HTC EVO 4G's release date.

At that same time, they would still then need to allow Sprint testers to verify that all is well with Android 2.2 Froyo on the EVO, and THEN release it to the public.

Lets think logically here; I much rather have the HTC EVO 4G running Android 2.1 release on June 4th rather than get an HTC EVO 4G running Android 2.2 this fall. Plain stupid, either way, you are still waiting nearly the same amount of time for 2.2, I'll play with 2.1 while I wait.