Endless Windows problems, yet fools keep using it. Stop!

[MoodyBlues]

This article about millions of Window$ 10 users being screwed, again, after an update, seriously sounds like I wrote it:

"For Microsoft and Windows 10 right now, it never rains but it pours. So it should come as no surprise that, despite recent update changes, the run of frustrating, limiting, chaotic and quite bizarre updates continues with new warnings every Windows 10 user needs to know about. "

It goes on to say that two recent updates are "breaking boot-ups, printing, the Start Menu, Windows Search and VMWare Workstation. And that’s just what we know so far. "

With its long history of being a shitty operating system, causing untold billions of lost man-hours from crashes, BSODs, viruses, ransomware, and system-breaking updates, why do fools keep using it?!

Are companies ignorant that there are better choices, or do they not care about all the downtime--and lost revenue--their current choice causes?

I absolutely would not be okay, as a business owner, with losing thousands of man-hours each year to a piece of crap OS. And I don't understand why some -are- okay with it.

For the uninitiated, I'm suggesting that these clueless, helpless fools switch to a real OS--the one behind the device you're probably using here--Linux. Fast, secure, stable, beautiful, powerful, all without an endless stream of downtime. Check out my favorite Linux distribution, Kubuntu, or any of the plethora of others to see for yourself what computing should be like...

 

[ocnbrze]

so i have been a windows user this whole time and never had any issues you listed. windows has been great for me. i guess that is why i never really looked into switching the os on my pc.

one question i have is can i still run windows programs on kubuntu? at least microsoft word and excel? what about pc games?

 

[Dannydet]

Been using windows since forever.
How would you suggest I change to a Linux system? Can it still run Plex media server? Will my pc programs still function?

 

[GameTheory]

Boy I have so much to say on this subject and I'm really itching to do so, but I will refrain. As much as I poke fun of windows and its users, I do it in good fun and don't actually consider them fools.

Without saying everything I really want, I'll say that each OS has its pros and cons and place in the world.

That's as much as I'll say to not get into a debate. Hopefully I can contain myself.

 

[MoodyBlues]

can i still run windows programs on kubuntu?

That's kind of like asking if your Lamborghini will still run optimally after dropping a Ford Pinto transmission into it.

at least microsoft word and excel? what about pc games?

But seriously, the short answer is no--but! You typically can't run windows programs on Linux--nor would you want to. That's because there are native Linux replacements that are as good as, or better than, their M$ counterparts--and they can read and write M$ files.

In your examples, you'd use LibreOffice or OpenOffice (or other) office suites, which include spreadsheets, word processors, etc. And you install them with a click. Nothing to buy, nothing to license, no bloatware, just exactly what you want/need. Think you need Photoshop for image editing? Think again! The GIMP is a worthy replacement for PS.

There are tools, such as wine, which will allow some windows programs to run on Linux. I used to play Roller Coaster Tycoon a lot, and it ran flawlessly on a variety of computers, spanning ≈15 years. That's the only windows program I ever bought, so that's all the experience I have with wine.

If some gamers want to step in here, that would be great. I know there are Linux versions now of some games, and something about Steam...but I'm really not up on it.

Bottom line is that there are thousands of native Linux programs, often of professional quality, available by simply using your favorite package manager (mine is Synaptic) to install them. There's everything from ham radio to astronomy, and lots more.

You're the rare windows user who hasn't experienced the problems I (and the article) cited. As I've said before, at my last job before becoming disabled, there were a few windows boxes I was responsible for--and they were the bane of my existence!

 

[MoodyBlues]

Boy I have so much to say on this subject and I'm really itching to do so, but I will refrain. As much as I poke fun of windows and its users, I do it in good fun and don't actually consider them fools.

The people I'm calling fools are those who've suffered the issues described, over and over again, yet continue using windows. It's like, when a toddler sticks their hand in a flame, it hurts!--and they learn from it. They don't keep making the same mistake.

As noted, -I- would not tolerate thousands of hours of downtime every year as a business owner--and I can't help but think those who do tolerate it are, well, fools, or at least foolish. *shrug*

 

[Dannydet]

Would you recommend running Linux in virtual drive on a windows 10 system?
https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-t...ing-hyper-v-now-even-easier-with-quick-create

 

[ocnbrze]

That's kind of like asking if your Lamborghini will still run optimally after dropping a Ford Pinto transmission into it.

But seriously, the short answer is no--but! You typically can't run windows programs on Linux--nor would you want to. That's because there are native Linux replacements that are as good as, or better than, their M$ counterparts--and they can read and write M$ files.

In your examples, you'd used LibreOffice or OpenOffice (or other) office suites, which include spreadsheets, word processors, etc. And you install them with a click. Nothing to buy, nothing to license, no bloatware, just exactly what you want/need. Think you need Photoshop for image editing? Think again! The GIMP is a worthy replacement for PS.

so those linux office suites, can i import word or excel files? or can i use them in the opposite direction from linux office to windows office?

 

[MoodyBlues]

so those linux office suites, can i import word or excel files? or can i use them in the opposite direction from linux office to windows office?

Yes.

 

[MoodyBlues]

Would you recommend running Linux in virtual drive on a windows 10 system?
https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-t...ing-hyper-v-now-even-easier-with-quick-create

Sorry, I can't answer that. Since I don't use windows, I've never run Linux in a virtual machine.

 

[GameTheory]

The people I'm calling fools are those who've suffered the issues described, over and over again, yet continue using windows. It's like, when a toddler sticks their hand in a flame, it hurts!--and they learn from it. They don't keep making the same mistake.

As noted, -I- would not tolerate thousands of hours of downtime every year as a business owner--and I can't help but think those who do tolerate it are, well, fools, or at least foolish. *shrug*

Some folks especially professionals do not have a choice and must use windows or mac or linux regardless of OS shortcomings or strengths.

If you're a pro graphic designer/video producer, the adobe suite is a must and is not compatible with linux. Linux does not offer a suite or cohesive workflow in those two industries. The tools that are available, as great as they are, are still lacking in powerful robust features.

My friend who is a designer at Coach cannot use Gimp, let alone be silly enough to put that on a resume. She's been doing this for over 20 years.

Her husband and my friend and senior manager at Coach also must use the ms office suite so windows is a must. There's no 100% compatibility between Libre/Open office and ms office docs.

^These folks are not fools!

Hollywood movie studios like Disney use the Adobe suite. Can't do such high end production with linux software. The fashion and modeling industry also use the Adobe suite.

I do a lot of business with Westen Union and they send me complex ".docx" files with lots of extensive formatting that get jumbled up in Libre and Open Office. So I must have windows 7 in a virtual machine.

The truth is that linux has excellent software, but they're not 1 to 1 with windows proprietary software that has serious R&D and financial backing. Linux software is usually made by devs working at home with no pay.

Many big triple A titles do not run on linux no matter what. These folks also don't have a choice.

Like I said every OS has its place, pros/cons, and strengths/shortcomings.

The following is how I make my argument for linux:
Linux excels above the rest on the server and cyber security. Also in IOT and OS portability. Linux can run virtually in any hardware conditions. Linux also has endless possibilities in a multitude of applications across many industries. Oh I don't know, how about fickin space rovers and shuttles, atm machines, and the stock exchange just to name a few. Lets just cut it here and say linux runs the world.

 

[mikedt]

Would you recommend running Linux in virtual drive on a windows 10 system?
https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-t...ing-hyper-v-now-even-easier-with-quick-create

I'd do it the other way round myself, if you do really need to run Windows software. Have Linux as the host OS and Windows running in a virtual machine, like Virtualbox. So if(when) Windows does get viruses, ransomware, and system-breaking updates, you can just re-initialise a clean Windows VM in a few minutes from a snapshot backup.

Some Windows software can be made to run directly in Linux with WINE. No Windows is required. Like here I'm running WeChat for Windows in Deepin Linux.

 

[MoodyBlues]

You make some excellent points, @GameTheory, and I'm sure your friends are not fools.

But, again, I'm wondering why companies who've suffered problem after problem, resulting in untold lost man-hours, continue making the same mistake. Remember the WannaCry ransomware attack two years ago? That targeted windows--and ONLY windows, affecting hundreds of millions of people worldwide. And what did those companies do? Paid ransom, then went right back to the status quo!

By the way, many studios, including Industrial Light & Magic, LucasFilm, and Disney, use Linux.

My daughter got her college degree in photojournalism, and has worked at the San Francisco Chronicle and Corbis, among other major graphics players, and has never -touched- a windows machine in her jobs. It's been Mac all the way--with its UNIX guts.

Lets just cut it here and say linux runs the world.

Didn't I post something in the Linux thread...damn, I can't remember, a quote from an article, I think, that stated something to that effect? The point being that virtually -all- big-time, mission critical things, like supercomputers, that run our lives run on Linux.

Edit: I found the post. It has a quote from an article about Linus Torvalds, and refers to his wealth: "Part of that is due to shares he has in Red Hat Linux, apparently given to him as a thanks for creating the open source operating system that now runs much of the world."

 

[mikedt]

Some folks especially professionals do not have a choice and must use windows or mac or linux regardless of OS shortcomings or strengths.

If you're a pro graphic designer/video producer, the adobe suite is a must and is not compatible with linux. Linux does not offer a suite or cohesive workflow in those two industries. The tools that are available, as great as they are, are still lacking in powerful robust features.

My friend who is a designer at Coach cannot use Gimp, let alone be silly enough to put that on a resume. She's been doing this for over 20 years.

Her husband and my friend and senior manager at Coach also must use the ms office suite so windows is a must. There's no 100% compatibility between Libre/Open office and ms office docs.

^These folks are not fools!

Hollywood movie studios like Disney use the Adobe suite. Can't do such high end production with linux software. The fashion and modeling industry also use the Adobe suite.

Really? Try telling the likes of Disney and Pixar that.
https://renderman.pixar.com/product.
https://www.autodesk.com/products/maya/overview

Both Pixar Renderman and Autodesk Maya are available for Linux.

You wouldn't be silly to put experience with either of these very high end suits on a resume. Especially if Disney was looking for people to help them make Toy Story 5 or Frozen 2 or something.

 

[GameTheory]

Really? Try telling the likes of Disney and Pixar that.
https://renderman.pixar.com/product.
https://www.autodesk.com/products/maya/overview

Both Pixar Renderman and Autodesk Maya are available for Linux.

You wouldn't be silly to put experience with either of these very high end suits on a resume. Especially if Disney was looking for people to help them make Toy Story 5 or Frozen 2 or something.

You're clearly twisting my words to your advantage. I said wouldn't put GIMP on the resume. You even quoted the post so don't know why you would do that. And the software I'm talking about is Adobe CC suite which doesn't run on linux. I made no mention in any post on this thread about Autodesk or Renderman.

Considering how vast and great linux is, why do you think it only has 2% of the Desktop market share. It's for lack of pro software.

 

[mikedt]

You're clearly twisting my words to your advantage. I said wouldn't put GIMP on the resume. You even quoted the post so don't know why you would do that. And the software I'm talking about is Adobe CC suite which doesn't run on linux. I made no mention in any post on this thread about Autodesk or Renderman.

Considering how vast and great linux is, why do you think it only has 2% of the Desktop market share. It's for lack of pro software.

But'you did state "Can't do such high end production with linux software."
I'm out of this thread before it turns nasty.

Have a nice day.

 

[GameTheory]

I'm out of this thread before it turns nasty.

Have a nice day.

It hasn't turned nasty. If someone claims you said something you didn't, you should have a right to clear things up. I would expect no less from you.

 

[MoodyBlues]

Considering how vast and great linux is, why do you think it only has 2% of the Desktop market share. It's for lack of pro software.

Well, according to this article, which touches on Linus Torvalds and anti-Micro$oft feelings, Linux is: "...the world’s most widely used, adaptable, and popular computer kernel..."

By the way, it's a great read! It's perfect fodder for this thread, and a quick read. Linus also states that M$ engineers are "really happy working on Linux."

 

[GameTheory]

Well, according to this article, which touches on Linus Torvalds and anti-Micro$oft feelings, Linux is: "...the world’s most widely used, adaptable, and popular computer kernel..."

By the way, it's a great read! It's perfect fodder for this thread, and a quick read. Linus also states that M$ engineers are "really happy working on Linux."

I have no objection to that, but wasn't my question.

 

[MoodyBlues]

But'you did state "Can't do such high end production with linux software."
I'm out of this thread before it turns nasty.

Don't leave. We're all adults here. It needn't get nasty.

I would like to remind everyone of this thread's original point, which I've stated multiple times. I'm seriously looking for logical explanations why businesses are willing to lose tons of revenue to OS problems when there -are- other choices. It stumps me.

 

[Dannydet]

The only logical explanation businesses use windows is that it's much more prevalent than Linux and Mac.
Tons of software companies release windows over Mac, and Linux, as great as it is, just put on the wayside...
Sad but true

 

[MoodyBlues]

The only logical explanation businesses use windows is that it's much more prevalent than Linux and Mac.
Tons of software companies release windows over Mac, and Linux, as great as it is, just put on the wayside...
Sad but true

That's definitely been the case historically, but it's changing.

I'm frequently pleasantly surprised now, when I go to some site and find they have Linux versions of their software available. Damn, even *MICROSOFT* is releasing Linux versions of some of its programs! Did hell freeze over?!

But if more businesses realized that Linux, with its thousands of available programs, may be a viable alternative for them, they'd be happy with the results of switching. Improved speed and stability alone would certainly be appreciated. Then, as the $$$ saved started to sink in, they'd love it. No more licensing fees, anti-virus software (that has to continually be updated), downtime from problems named in this thread, etc.

Android is, overwhelmingly, the most-used mobile OS. If its users realized that they could enjoy the same type of reliability, customization, and features on their computers, they'd jump on the Linux train!

 

[ocnbrze]

You can run windows softwares on Kubuntu using Wine. Regards.

wine? i'm more of a red wine guy. give a good cab, i'm set

 

[MoodyBlues]

You can run windows softwares on Kubuntu using Wine. Regards.

Yes, you can--as I noted early in this thread.

But, ideally, wine shouldn't be needed much, if at all. I've used nothing but *nix since 1985. I've only used wine for one program, Roller Coaster Tycoon. What new users to Kubuntu should do is spend a few hours browsing its repositories. There they'll find thousands of programs, any or all of which can be installed with a click or two. Using native Linux apps just makes sense.

 

[Davdi]

We're 100% Linux (Mint and Ubuntu) and have been for about 10 years.
I don't miss the interminable updates and reboots one bit.