What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users

[Niir]

So let's hold the fort for a second. Because apple takes already existing tech, and throws it in a smaller device, due to new hardware capabilities NOT created by them, THAT makes them innovative?

:lost:

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

they are innovative because they say they are.

and alot of people eat that up.

 

[trick202]

Love it or hate it - you need the iPhone.

it has brought a lot to the industry, got regular consumers into the smartphone market, and the google/apple race is great for us as consumers.

To say one is better than the other is such a sweeping generalisation it's laughable.

 

[mkeath]

That's not 100% fair, though. Yes, dollar for dollar, PCs tend to outspec Macs. Raw specs aren't the metric that users necessarily care about in the end, though, and the fact that OSX runs on hardware specifically designed to run it means that it runs leaner, faster, and typically more trouble-free. Case in point: I've got a 3 year old MacBook, and my wife has an HP laptop that is newer and outspecs it by a significant margin. When I'm not on my computer, however, she always reaches for mine because it runs so much faster.

I'm not looking to start an Apple v Windows debate here, because I'm sure we've all been down that road before and I use both and see the value in both of them anyway, but the simple fact of the matter is that a PC will not necessarily run faster than a Mac with lower specs. I think part of the premium that people pay for with macs is for that tight hardware-software integration.

No osx is designed to run on the hardware.

 

[Niir]

Love it or hate it - you need the iPhone.

it has brought a lot to the industry, got regular consumers into the smartphone market, and the google/apple race is great for us as consumers.

To say one is better than the other is such a sweeping generalisation it's laughable.

the competition is good and the first iphone changed the mobile game.

however currently apple is the follower in google/htcs wake in terms of software and hardware development.

i guess we will see how the next year will pan out in a few minutes!

 

[trick202]

Again, that's in the eye of the beholder.

Android lacks the aesthetic appeal needed to be successful with the same userbase.

It needs to get there sharpish too. The world is starting to watch - they must have something nice to see!

 

[Nex_1]

kinda like the new iPhone .. hate the microSIM though

 

[Jammy]

kinda like the new iPhone .. hate the microSIM though

As long as the networks adopt it, it's a good thing...

 

[krouget]

I've noticed a pretty substantial amount of Apple Animosity on here. [...]
Thoughts?

I don't hate apple users, but I do dislike ignorance when mixed with the unwillingness to at least experience another product, before condemning or claiming superiority over it. Without a doubt, though, this also holds true for some Android users-- a good number of them are anti-Apple, for the simple reason that its an established mainstream success, which they feel, is somehow gifted and undeserved. Though they may know/feel Android offers a more in-depth experience, the real world operates on the principle of what people perceive..and that is effective marketing in combination with the quality products Apple offers. Though I do have a bias in favor of Android, I 100% acknowledge the importance of Apple in the continued development of Android, and understand why Android needs more than just software to catapult itself ahead of Apple.

Elitist and fanboys are different sides to the same coin, IMO, and typically do more damage to their respective brand of choice. Elitists, from what I've experienced, typically posses more knowledge than a casual user, but not to the level of a payed professional, often ignoring the fact that most people don't immerse themselves with the same level of appreciation they do. Fanboys lead the charge with a combination of stubbornness, ignorance, and passion, usually fueled by hearsay and spec sheets. Sadly, both of these camps are often too defensive for their own good (or the good of others, as we've come to understand), and find a way to make their voices heard, subsequently doing the loudest and most talking.

As to casual users, and comments of 'sheep'/superiority, I believe its a bit silly. For most casual users, they couldn't care less about perceived superiority between the two operating systems, and usually are receptive towards cool features, when presented in a non-standoffish way...this indifference is what makes them 'casual'. Two relatives of mine own an iPhone and a Droid, respectively, and constantly enjoy sharing features between the two devices. Every so often, they'll give me a call when they find they can't mimic a feature on one device, but otherwise, both are served rather well by either smartphone. No hype. No animosity. Just an appreciation for whats 'neat' or what new app adds a welcome addition to their lives. These are casual users-- while many of them enjoy the current reign of the iPhone (and upcoming market-share of Android), times change and so will these types of people...tomorrow, they could just as well be riding a stronger Android wave, so its silly to condemn them, in this respect. Casual users are the bread-n-butter of any devices success, and Apple has done a great job in breaching this target market, forcing the lowest common denominator into an era of smartphones.

Competition is a great thing.

 

[Deleted User]

Jeez, there are some essays in this thread (That I'll never read).

Most of my feelings of Apple dislike have been covered already but in brief...

I hate being told that Apples are better only to then see that same person find yet another basic thing they cannot do on their Apple device.

That last such example was finding out that the 3GS cannot natively send photos by Bluetooth *facepalm*

 

[trick202]

yes, yes, I'm sure we can all pick out little niggles.

I was a little disappointed that the quality of apps in the Android ecosystem haven't improved from almost a year ago when I had my Hero. I was also surprised that I couldn't copy and paste from the gmail app.

See what I did there?

Both platforms have their shortcomings. It just seems that open source justifies mediocrity around here sometimes.

 

[Deleted User]

yes, yes, I'm sure we can all pick out little niggles.

I was a little disappointed that the quality of apps in the Android ecosystem haven't improved from almost a year ago when I had my Hero. I was also surprised that I couldn't copy and paste from the gmail app.

See what I did there?

Both platforms have their shortcomings. It just seems that open source justifies mediocrity around here sometimes.

But they're not little niggles, they're fundamental things that can be done on nearly all brands of phone for YEARS. Someone high up in Apple made the command decision that they would block these function, that worries me a little.

But as I said, my gripe is being told I have an inferior phone/mp3 player/laptop which does more things.

 

[trick202]

Why does it worry you?

You don't have an iPhone do you?

Move along.....nothing to see here....

 

[Deleted User]

It doesn't "worry" me. For the third time... I dislike being told that my devices are inferior to the Apple equivalent, I feel I'm well within my rights to dislike that.

Do I now need to explain every event that has happened to make me feel that way and to justify why in those cases I was wrong to be told that? Or can you just accept my opinion?

 

[trick202]

that worries me a little.

.

I accept your opinion.

Please don't worry though

 

[Deleted User]

I just realised you were quoting my worrying about the command decision bit! Apologies...

That worries me because that's a person high in the pecking order of a massive corporation making a poor decision that directly affects millions of customers. It makes me wonder what other decisions are being made that have similar negative results for the consumer.

I don't lose any sleep though don't worry!

 

[trick202]

I was just kidding...

nobody has a gun held to anyone's head. The iPhone is an incredibly popular device. Android may be getting big in the US (maybe that's AT&T's fault? - Or apples for getting tied in) but it's seldom seen in the UK.

You couldn't switch (in the UK at least) iPhone users onto ANdroid devices overnight. People just aren't willing to tinker to the degree you need to with Android.

I hope that changes - but that's in the hands of:

Google: pressurize networks/manufacturers to deploy FroYo (at least for apps2sd)
Us: to start paying for decent apps and make the OS more attractive to Devs
Devs: To start producing games worth having/talking about.
Corps: to insist on android equivalent iPhone apps for highstreet names

'there's an app for that' needs to mean there's an Android app too!

 

[ari-free]

I was just kidding...

nobody has a gun held to anyone's head. The iPhone is an incredibly popular device. Android may be getting big in the US (maybe that's AT&T's fault? - Or apples for getting tied in) but it's seldom seen in the UK.

Verizon is US only and they realized that Android belongs on first-class phones. It's hard not to watch TV without seeing an ad for Droid that explains the features of Android and apps available on the market.

But outside the US there was nobody to really push Android. It is still an attitude of "yes, we also have android" but the focus is on the device and not the OS.

 

[330D]

Verizon is US only and they realized that Android belongs on first-class phones.

That is the biggest problem right now with Android, IMO. There aren't enough powerful enough phones for it to be consistent. We all need Froyo, but only a few phones will be able to fully run it. Until the hardware catches up with the software, it is going to be fragmented, as it is now. Hopefully the manufacturers/consumers, and google let the catch-up happen, or it will be the demise of android, I think. Your average consumer doesn't want to have to screw with their phone to get it to do simple tasks. And it isn't completely reliable for total power users, yet.

Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE my Android phone, and think that it truly can be the next best thing, as it is well on its way to being, but it needs to get its $hit together for it to be a viable option for everyone. It really does everything I need it to and wayyyyy more. But, I know a few people who are very reliant on their phones, and are willing to buy whatever phone as money is not an issue, that will not use android because of reliability concerns. They all really want to, but can't justify the thought of a reboot in the middle of a deal worth a ton of money to their business...
Anyway, that is my rant for the day. Long Live Android!

 

[toasty]

'there's an app for that' needs to mean there's an Android app too!

I think this is finally starting to become the case. When I first hopped onto the Android train, I was a bit disappointed at the selection of apps as compared to the iPhone, and the really clunky mechanism for searching for and browsing apps. Programs like AppBrain Sync make the app browsing process MUCH easier and user-friendly, and in general, I'd say there's pretty much no app on my iPod touch that doesn't have a version (or at least a comparable equivalent) for Android.

The one area where Android still really lags behind is gaming. It's coming along, but the iPod/iPhone is much, much better on that front. Are any of the bigger iPhone game developers starting to look into Android as well, now that it's becoming more common?

 

[3devious]

I dunno, but the nice part is the guy who made Ravensword is thinking about moving to Android. Now that Unity3 will also be on Android, more developers will be attracted.

When I can make every single aspect of my device my own without breaking my user/owner/servant agreement, I will actually consider buying an Apple phone. Until then, I will just enjoy better products as Apple keeps pumping out features that sheep are told they want until real developers make something that I want to use that is inspired by all of that "innovation."

Design-wise, the 4g is a step in the right direction, but if all of the "creatives" are spouting that Apple = true design, the world is going to be very very bland in 5 years. Are we being punished because art programs don't get funded anymore?

 

[jamor]

Because they put Apple decal on the back of their cars.

 

[IOWA]

I dunno, but the nice part is the guy who made Ravensword is thinking about moving to Android. Now that Unity3 will also be on Android, more developers will be attracted.

When I can make every single aspect of my device my own without breaking my user/owner/servant agreement, I will actually consider buying an Apple phone. Until then, I will just enjoy better products as Apple keeps pumping out features that sheep are told they want until real developers make something that I want to use that is inspired by all of that "innovation."

Design-wise, the 4g is a step in the right direction, but if all of the "creatives" are spouting that Apple = true design, the world is going to be very very bland in 5 years. Are we being punished because art programs don't get funded anymore?

+1

I laugh at people who call themselves designers when they have no realt talent. Show me on a pen and paper dammit!

Also, we should start pasting android stickers on top of the apple stickers on peoples cars. Just kiddin'. Would be funny though.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

 

[jamor]

Also, we should start pasting android stickers on top of the apple stickers on peoples cars. Just kiddin'. Would be funny though.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

Fantastic idea. I'm in.

 

[toasty]

When I can make every single aspect of my device my own without breaking my user/owner/servant agreement, I will actually consider buying an Apple phone.

You know, I've seen reference to this and similar concepts a lot in this thread and it always makes me scratch my head. Yes, Android is open-source, but unless I'm missing something, you can't really take advantage of that unless you root your phone, but your service agreement with your carrier and/or your manufacturer's warranty expressly prohibit you from doing so, just as Apple prohibits you from jailbreaking an iPhone.

This raises a serious question for me, perhaps one of you can help me understand. If neither the carrier nor the manufacturer of an Android phone offer support on a rooted phone, how is that different from Apple declining to support jailbroken phones? I mean apart from Apple bricking them a while back, which I'll agree was BS, if you're on your own anyway, how are they different? Moreover, to the average user that has no intention of ever rooting a phone, how does Android being "open-source" make a bit of difference as compared to an iPhone?

Honest question, would love a serious response from someone.

 

[ari-free]

I dunno, but the nice part is the guy who made Ravensword is thinking about moving to Android. Now that Unity3 will also be on Android, more developers will be attracted.

I read that Unity will no longer be allowed to be used for iPhone games, along with compiled Flash apps.