Liberals are...smarter!

"ya'll" is from the east coast?

jayjay1122 said:

"ya'll" from the east coast?

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I was thinking the same thing! lol he's obviously very aware of his surroundings (note sarcasm) , I thought "ya'll" was a southern thing

hakr100 said:

i only think they are "imbecilic cavemen" when they try to pass off their religious beliefs as based upon anything more than their faith, and when they try to shove their religious beliefs onto my non-religious society.

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I tend to agree with you. I know a guy who argues evolution with this statement... "Can you grow a tail, or wings to fly?". That's his argument against evolution. I think it makes him look imbecilic.

But I also get offended when I get grouped in with people like that.

byteware said:

I tend to agree with you. I know a guy who argues evolution with this statement... "Can you grow a tail, or wings to fly?". That's his argument against evolution. I think it makes him look imbecilic.

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I've run into a handful of arguments like this. the ones that always get me are those that argue how humans are some kind of superior design. To those I love to ask for explanations for little design quirks such as:

- propensity for sinus infections
- propensity toward back pain
- Vestigial organs (eg appendixes, muscles to move ears, tailbone, wisdom teeth, etc.)
- why human females have not evolved to birth full term infants like other primates.
- all our aquatic adaptions (fat below the skin, hair that grows inthe direction of flowing water, non-concentrated urine, vestigial membranes between hands, paddle shaped hands and feet, a backbone able to bend forward and backward, a nose designed to seal out water, none or little natural protection to sunlight, poor relative water retention, etc.)

I always find it interesting how when you take our big brains out of the equation humans as a species stop looking particularly impressive and far from a superior design.

but..but...we have guns!

byteware said:

I tend to agree with you. I know a guy who argues evolution with this statement... "Can you grow a tail, or wings to fly?". That's his argument against evolution. I think it makes him look imbecilic.

But I also get offended when I get grouped in with people like that.

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I love the evolutionist that argue breeding as evolution. And since we haven't seen any evolution since mankind has been keeping records...

DaSchmarotzer said:

I won't hop in the middle of your debates, but I'll just state that I don't understand religion.

In science, everything remains a theory unless it has been proven right. Then again, scientists might discover it wasn't exactly right when they understand those phenomenons better (usually years later).

Let's take the Egyptian religion for example. They had a theory about Gods moving the Sun though the sky, thus explaining day and night. It was an honest theory, for they had no understanding of the phenomenon. It was then discovered that the Earth is rotating around the Sun.

What I don't understand is that people couldn't admit that they were wrong and still continued to blindly believe in the Solar deity.

Anyway, that was just an example, you get my point. Please stay civil in your discussions.

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I would actually say that a good scientist tries to prove his theory wrong and not right. It's a theory after all. The fact that you can't prove a theory right/wrong doesn't alone make it fact as there are undeniably forces in nature we don't know about or understand. This is where evolution falls. And why evolution is as much faith bases as any religion out there. Or do you really believe you came from a monkey?

Crude said:

I love the evolutionist that argue breeding as evolution. And since we haven't seen any evolution since mankind has been keeping records...

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Well, I'm no expert, but Isthmus' post covers that evolution did happen. We now live in societies that protect the weak, so there's no really need for evolution, as everybody is passing on their genes.

I don't know if it is related though, but some people don't grow wisdom teeth, and we are much taller than we previously were (probably related to the food we eat).

tommy_ed said:

no you havent (said anything about dinosaurs), but your religion has. so now are you saying you don't beleive it? and what things are there to support it? I mean other than "my granny says we all go up and live with jaysus when we die" or "look at the sun and the trees all around us" i mean ANY kind of evidence that could actually be used as factual support to a theory. And you still didn't answer my question, why didn't ANYTHING other than the bible mention jesus? You don't think someone coming back to life after dying, and floating through the air back into heaven, any of that would be worth mentioning?

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Actually there are some written accounts of Jesus. Roman historian Tacitus ( I think) wrote:

("But not all the relief that could come
from man, not all the bounties that the price could bestow, nor all the
atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from
the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of
Rome.* Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt,
and punished with the most exquisite tortures, the persons commonly called
Christians, who were hated for their enormities.* Christus, the
founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of
Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for
a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief
originated, but through the city of Rome also." (Annals XV, 44)1.)

And Thallus, a Siberian born Roman Historian wrote about Jesus, a Christian born historian Julius Africans loved to quote him and wrote:

(Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away
this darkness as as an eclipse of the sun - unreasonably, as it seems to me
(unreasonably, of course, because a solar eclipse could not take place at the
time of the full moon, and it was at the season of the Paschal full moon that
Christ died." Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18.1)

And like a couple of other historians too, like ten more. And the tomb of Christ, and the wrap that covered Christ. Take note even today there is evidence of Christ. You'll hear Jesus, or Christ, or Christus, all the same man.

Note: Tacitus is a well known historian In Rome.

If you want more historian have fun reading about them:
History of Jesus

tommy_ed said:

I was thinking the same thing! lol he's obviously very aware of his surroundings (note sarcasm) , I thought "ya'll" was a southern thing

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It is a southern thing, but it runs all the way up to Virginia and West Virginia. I'm pretty sure they say yall in Chillicothe, isn't that where the Mead paper company is at and everyone chokes on the shitsmoke coming out of that mill, there are rednecks there right? The ones who Inbreed with their sisters?
nothing to do on the weekends there either huh?

Crude said:

I love the evolutionist that argue breeding as evolution. And since we haven't seen any evolution since mankind has been keeping records...

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It's statements like these that show that you don't really care to understand the theory of evolution and prefer the comfort of sound bites that in your mind disproves them.

We have cataloged hundreds of species that are only slightly different than other known species. The only way to know whether or not that was a new evolutionary leap would have been to see the original (of the new species) born from the old species. And since we aren't in the habit of monitoring animal births in the wild, we aren't going to see that.

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Crude said:

I love the evolutionist that argue breeding as evolution. And since we haven't seen any evolution since mankind has been keeping records...

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how do you explain the domestic farm pigs columbus brought from spain evolving into wild boars after being released into the wild in the americas? there were NO pigs here before europeans.

WAdude said:

Actually there are some written accounts of Jesus. Roman historian Tacitus ( I think) wrote:
......Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of
Judea in the reign of Tiberius.... And like a couple of other historians too

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so, we've established there was a guy named Christ during that time.. they didn't think it was worth mentioning he could turn water into wine, walk on water, bring the dead back to life, any of that? seems fishy to me and still doesn't debunk my point

WAdude said:

It is a southern thing, but it runs all the way up to Virginia and West Virginia. I'm pretty sure they say yall in Chillicothe, isn't that where the Mead paper company is at and everyone chokes on the shitsmoke coming out of that mill, there are rednecks there right? The ones who Inbreed with their sisters?
nothing to do on the weekends there either huh?

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damn you are GREAT at googling shit (i noticed your little educational tidbits about historians recording the existence of jesus was copy/pasted as usual) not too many people say ya'll around here (especially not me) but yes they are a bunch of rednecks. Luckily I'm not included in this group of individuals. You however, have already established that you are. Inbreed with their sisters? YOU are the "GOD FEARIN' MOTERRBIKERRR" sayin "YA'LL" hahaha you do realize that you have turned yourself into a big joke on this forum right?

byteware said:

We have cataloged hundreds of species that are only slightly different than other known species. The only way to know whether or not that was a new evolutionary leap would have been to see the original (of the new species) born from the old species. And since we aren't in the habit of monitoring animal births in the wild, we aren't going to see that.

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True only up to a point. Microbiology, molecular biology, genetics and in particular genomics all allow us to the effects of evolution over generations. heck in the study of viruses, bacteria, and to a lesser degree insects, we are able to observe the process in the actual organisms (this is disturbingly true of viruses). All of these fields are unrelated to evolutionary biology, but have come to supplement it and confirm it independently. While it is true that to observe adaptations we need a control subject, we are now capable of observing the development of adaptations in reverse. For example, we are able to find the dormant genes that trigger the development of teeth in birds (as opposed to a beak), thus supporting previous evidence that modern birds are descendants of some line of dinosaurs.

tommy_ed said:

how do you explain the domestic farm pigs columbus brought from spain evolving into wild boars after being released into the wild in the americas? there were NO pigs here before europeans.




so, we've established there was a guy named Christ during that time.. they didn't think it was worth mentioning he could turn water into wine, walk on water, bring the dead back to life, any of that? seems fishy to me and still doesn't debunk my point




damn you are GREAT at googling shit (i noticed your little educational tidbits about historians recording the existence of jesus was copy/pasted as usual) not too many people say ya'll around here (especially not me) but yes they are a bunch of rednecks. Luckily I'm not included in this group of individuals. You however, have already established that you are. Inbreed with their sisters? YOU are the "GOD FEARIN' MOTERRBIKERRR" sayin "YA'LL" hahaha you do realize that you have turned yourself into a big joke on this forum right?

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Well woopty ****in dooo, you wanted me to answer your question.

Uhhhhhhhhh, so wait, you expect me to know all this shit off the top of my head, WAdude-"Yes ofcourse It was Tacitus Indeed who wrote about Jesus". I googled it and gave you the site did I not? I copy pasted to give you a couple of examples of the guys.

And I have established that I am a redneck by saing yall? Atleast I don't say " Hey you guys".

Maybe if your bored ass self read, you'd know that they did indeed say Jesus performed miracles. They just didn't say miracles. Read it, unless the fumes from the paper company have made you illiterate too.

WAdude said:

Uhhhhhhhhh, so wait, you expect me to know all this shit off the top of my head.

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yes, you can't be making your side of the argument with someone elses information

WAdude said:

And I have established that I am a redneck by saing yall?

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that among other things

WAdude said:

Atleast I don't say " Hey you guys".

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what is this referring to? i dont get it

WAdude said:

Maybe if your bored ass self read, you'd know that they did indeed say Jesus performed miracles.

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could you quote that part? i cant seem to locate any "miracles" being mentioned or even indirectly referenced to?

WAdude said:

unless the fumes from the paper company have made you illiterate too.

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i don't see what my location has to do with anything? is that supposed to be an insult? It seems to me you are getting frustrated and resorting to any means possible to try and gain the upper hand. Unfortunately for you, no one is buying what youre selling. You have managed to make yourself look like a complete idiot. REPEATEDLY

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DaSchmarotzer said:

Well, I'm no expert, but Isthmus' post covers that evolution did happen. We now live in societies that protect the weak, so there's no really need for evolution, as everybody is passing on their genes.

I don't know if it is related though, but some people don't grow wisdom teeth, and we are much taller than we previously were (probably related to the food we eat).

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Seriously this has to take the cake for lame explanations for evolution.
Some people don't grow legs either what's that? And the height thing could be several things. Maybe it's because tall=more desirable so more sex = more of those genes get passed on....that again is not evolution as much as it is breeding.

tommy_ed said:

how do you explain the domestic farm pigs columbus brought from spain evolving into wild boars after being released into the wild in the americas? there were NO pigs here before europeans.

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DO you know what farm pigs looked like back then? Yeah, wild boars. The pink piggies came long after columbus. Besides if anything your example proves that the pigs de-evolved as they did not move forward as much as they moved backwards.

byteware said:

It's statements like these that show that you don't really care to understand the theory of evolution and prefer the comfort of sound bites that in your mind disproves them.

We have cataloged hundreds of species that are only slightly different than other known species. The only way to know whether or not that was a new evolutionary leap would have been to see the original (of the new species) born from the old species. And since we aren't in the habit of monitoring animal births in the wild, we aren't going to see that.

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NO really, I understand evolution. But I see the so called proof a little more objectively then the masses. To me there's a lot of faith in evolution and creation.
Btw how many species of dog are there? Or would that be breeding? What about humans? Black, white; tall, small; black or brown or red hair? Seriously I need to see a lake where a bass after many droughts learns to crawl because it "evolved" with a need to be able to move on land. Maybe what happened is that we humans regulated everything so much that evolution has stopped? Too many holes in this model as even Darwin never called it a theory to be called fact.

Lets argue about what color gold is; is it dark yellow or bright tan?

Xyro said:

As a biologist I feel the need to step in and point out the theory of evolution does not say we evolved from monkeys.

Carry on.

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So what did we evolve from? I hear pigs are close to us?

Xyro said:

According to the theory we each descend from a common ancestor that was neither human or monkey.

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Single cell organism? C'mon ante up my friend.