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From what I've learned about li-ion batteries, the worst thing you can do to them is to fully drain them. They have a minimum level they need to be kept at (40% is a level I keep getting) ). You also do not want to over charge them.

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I had also made this same point, and the conclusion we've come up with here is that the battery has some device preventing it from fully discharging, and we aren't fully discharging the battery anyway. We are simply running it until the phone won't stay on for very long. I believe that since the phone requires more current then the battery can supply it wont turn on, but that doesn't mean the battery is fully drained, it is just at a very low energy level.
 
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Ok, with this new battery that I received from Sprint I discharged the battery down to 3-5%.
Afterwards I put the phone in test mode so that I can sink the battery even lower than the OS allows. When the screen went black I charged it up and kept toping it off with USB until "Fully Charged" displayed less than a minute after pluging it in. I believe that I have successfully broken in the battery in 2 days and ill report back later with the results. If this doesn't work then the whole phones going back in a week.
 
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Just thought I'd chime in here and sing you the song of my trials and tribulations with the Moment's battery life.

Got the phone two weeks ago, charged it up and, same as many others, noticed that the phone would VERY quickly (2 ~ 3 hours) drop to 30% after light/average usage before dropping to 15%, staying there for another 2 or so hours, then dying completely. I started following this thread and found that I had no luck with the drain cycle method. Then I started weeping, wondering if I'd made the right decision going with the Moment. Decided to give it one last chance, so I moved on to the top-off method and VOILA! Ever since I started that (charge to full, quick unplug/replug and charge to full again - it seems to be USB/AC agnostic BTW) I've been getting 12 - 16 hours of medium to heavy usage out of the thing before it drops to 30%. Yay! It doesn't seem to matter whether I do it via USB or directly from AC adapter, btw.)

As anyone who has been keeping up with this thread knows, there doesn't seem to be one consistent way to get over the battery hump, but I thought you'd like to know that there IS hope and someday you could be as shiny and happy as me.

Now, if I could just get the GPS to realize that I live in the northern hemisphere...
 
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As anyone who has been keeping up with this thread knows, there doesn't seem to be one consistent way to get over the battery hump, but I thought you'd like to know that there IS hope and someday you could be as shiny and happy as me.

Now, if I could just get the GPS to realize that I live in the northern hemisphere...

Yep, lots of methods and my battery is easily going more than 24 hours with my normal usage.

GPS on the moment is fine, it's the aGPS that is messed up (pretty much non-existent for android 1.5). Disable wireless location services and only use true GPS and you'll be fine, but need a decent outside view and deal with a small delay (20 seconds for me) to get a GPS lock.
 
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Ok well I exchanged my battery for a new one since I was over my 30 day exchange warranty with best buy. I let the battery drain to the point it would no longer turn the phone on at all I then used the wall charger to charge it, once fully charged I used the cpu usb to top it off. I took my phone off at 11:30 this morning its noe 4:30 and I'm at 80% with gps on, and normal use " 7 text messeges, 20 -30 min browsing, facebook and twitter use, I have no idea if it has anything to do with the battery but its lasting a lot longer then my original one, It will be interesting to see if it continues to hold its charge in the coming days ok just now as I type this it just droppped to 60%
 
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So as I sit here on day two with 70% remaining with what for me is a little less than normal use (42 texts, some music, an app download and looking around the market) I think that the drain and full charge solved the meter issue and a full USB charge and top off last night and this morning gave the battery a full charge. I don't plan to drain it again tonight, but instead will just charge it with USB power.

I have also found this handy app that will after a time calculate your total time left based on current and past usage. The app is called Battery Left and is free from the market. It does seem to work too and increases its accuracy with more time

Thanks for all your help guys.
 
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Yep, lots of methods and my battery is easily going more than 24 hours with my normal usage.

GPS on the moment is fine, it's the aGPS that is messed up (pretty much non-existent for android 1.5). Disable wireless location services and only use true GPS and you'll be fine, but need a decent outside view and deal with a small delay (20 seconds for me) to get a GPS lock.
20 seconds isnt bad considering it takes some dedicated GPS units up to 1 minute to get a reliable lock.
 
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I agree with the majority of postings here that the battery life on the Moment leaves much to be desired. But this has been the case with all smart phones with touchscreens and fancy features has it not? Get used to it for now until they come up with a solution. Even the highly coveted iphone sucks when it comes to battery life...but people still want it. It's worth it because it's cool. Plus the Moment has a slide out keyboard which lights... very handy.

You've this awesome piece of technology small enough to fit in your pocket and do all sorts of awesome and fun stuff. Enjoy it and plug it in.

Solutions...
Deep cycle the battery several times and repeat every once in a while. Explore your phone's settings thoroughly and you'll find things to turn off and on as needed such as wifi, gps, and almost useless self updating apps like the weather channel following your location around...turn it off. If you're moving around outside you can see the weather. Use your own brain's almost unlimited battery to figure it out ;-) Or you can do a quick google search in the browser for weather in your area. There are battery apps also which can help you quickly turn off wifi gps and mobile network app use. There's also task killer programs. Find the one you like best. Also, go into your email and select an individual account then hit menu>settings. There's something which says email check frequency. The less you have it automatically check, the less tax on your battery. I set it to never (manually refresh), or maybe have just one account check itself.

Any other soltions and ideas are welcome and interesting!!! I would love to see someone post the proper steps for safely getting root acceass and uninstalling the restricted junk from the phone...demos, nascar, nfl, amazon, etc. As well as how to stop apps from automatically starting without the user initiating. Also, a a fail safe application which the user can boot from the sd card or a computer to restore the phone's root to a safe state should anything go wrong during root access (without deleting everything and going factory). Maybe there are adjustments that can be made to how the phone runs so that battery life is optimized. It would be great if the phone's light sensor would shut off the automatic backlighting of the keyboard and/or dim it when there is ample light to see it.
 
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Many good posts.
I went to Sprint they tested battery. It was fine. They reset the phone, when it came back to me, I was sure to not enable any gps or wifi app such as Weather Channel. I need this as a phone first and sms messaging second. The rest of the features are bonus and I realize drain the battery faster. Most important is to get through 24 to 48 hrs on a complete charge using it as a telephone.

I set screen timeout to 15 seconds and keep the brightness low about 1/4 bright.
Again, no apps running to use wifi or gps. No weather channel.
No additional battery meter app either. Keep it simple.
The phone finishes a day with 5-6 calls and sms 10-20 messages, 2-3 photos and 2 videos with over 60% charge left.

Since I just got the phone, I can cancel the contract but will keep it. The plan is good, the phone has great layout and usability for the touch and nice keyboard. Would like Android 2.0 soon.
 
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Just a tip, if you find yourself in a location that you'll be staying at for awhile and that has a low signal try this,

Update your PRL (Preferred Roaming List). It's a set of instructions that your phone uses that contain cell services for a given area . Go to "Settings -> About Phone -> System Updates -> Update PRL

I'm bringing this up because I've seen a few posters mention that at work or at so and so, their batteries seem to drain faster. It could be that the phone is increasing it's power to transmit and receive with towers that are further away due to it not knowing that closer ones are at hand.

Here is some more detailed info...

http://www.justalurker.com/howto.html

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PRL

(Preferred Roaming List)
The PRL is a list of information that resides in the memory of a digital phone. It lists the frequency bands the phone can use in various parts of the country. (The smaller bands within Cellular or PCS, technically called blocks.)

The part of the list for each area is ordered by the bands the phone should try to use first. Therefore it's a kind of priority list for which towers the phone should use.

For example, say you had a Sprint PCS phone, and were travelling in an area with no Sprint coverage, weak Verizon coverage, and strong Qwest coverage. The PRL would tell the phone to look for towers using Sprint's band for that area. Finding none, it might tell the phone to search for towers in Verizon's band next, perhaps because Sprint's roaming agreement with Qwest was not as favorable, or none existed. The phone would use Verizon's towers, as dictated by the PRL, even though Qwest might provide a better signal.

Since a PRL tells the phone "where" to search for a signal, as carrier networks change over time, an updated PRL may be required for a phone to "see" all of the coverage that it should.
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So try updating your PRL, and if successful your phone will do less hunting for a good signal and this may help in keeping your battery from being drained faster.

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At my own work, I use the phone thru out the day to stream music. Since today I've received fairly bad reception, so I updated the PRL. What a world of difference! Right at my cubical I'm now getting 4-5 bars, and a solid data connection.

Finally, some neat reading: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cell-phone.htm
 
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Just a tip, if you find yourself in a location that you'll be staying at for awhile and that has a low signal try this,

Update your PRL (Preferred Roaming List). It's a set of instructions that your phone uses that contain cell services for a given area . Go to "Settings -> About Phone -> System Updates -> Update PRL

I'm reasonably sure I already know the answer to this, but just to be clear, is it important to update the PRL while you (and your phone) are physically in the geographical area where signal strength is in question? I'd imagine that is is not, as the list would be the same regardless of where the phone is at the moment, but I want to make sure I'm not mis-understanding.

I can't imagine there being a different PRL list delivered to your phone depending on which tower the request is processed through... but I don't assume to know anything 100% either.
 
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I'm reasonably sure I already know the answer to this, but just to be clear, is it important to update the PRL while you (and your phone) are physically in the geographical area where signal strength is in question? I'd imagine that is is not, as the list would be the same regardless of where the phone is at the moment, but I want to make sure I'm not mis-understanding.

I can't imagine there being a different PRL list delivered to your phone depending on which tower the request is processed through... but I don't assume to know anything 100% either.

It depends,

1. Do PRL's change from one location to another?
2. How is a location defined? Is it per city? Per state? Per # of cells?
3. How often are tower assignments/agreements/leases/rentals..etc
made/changed?

The PRL update should be automatic, but from what I've experienced with this particular phone - it is not. My Treo755 was automatic and would flash a message that a PRL update had occurred. So for this phone, I'm speculating that it must be another quirk with the standard OS - a feature that is either non-existant and yet to be written in, or a feature that exists but is not implemented by Samsung for version 1.5.

Unfortunenately, even a PRL update is not a guarantee of good reception. Since it could take away a tower close by and put you on a tower further away - causing your phone to raise it's power levels inorder to stay in contact with that farther tower.
 
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I recently did a factory reset and somehow ever since i did that my battery has been awesome when before it would die in 6 or 7 hours now its lasting me the hole day and still around 30-50 percent id say by the time i goto bed witch is when i put it on the charger.
Maybe after cycling the battery a few times it's best to factory reset? Maybe this somehow resets the battery's reading to the current conditions of the battery.
 
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Maybe after cycling the battery a few times it's best to factory reset? Maybe this somehow resets the battery's reading to the current conditions of the battery.

its possable, I've had the phonce since release the battery actually seemed to keep getting worst then all off a sudden I did a factory reset & now its lasting how the battery shuld so its possable.
 
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The battery life on mine was terrible so i called sprint up yesterday. The lady said they knew about the problems and had me turn the data sync off on the phone. I have been using the phone all day (texting) and its at 40% right now. That is 10 hours of usage so far. The only downside to turning the data sync off is that you cant access the market (only thing i have noticed) but who goes into the market all the time?
 
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The battery life on mine was terrible so i called sprint up yesterday. The lady said they knew about the problems and had me turn the data sync off on the phone. I have been using the phone all day (texting) and its at 40% right now. That is 10 hours of usage so far. The only downside to turning the data sync off is that you cant access the market (only thing i have noticed) but who goes into the market all the time?

Me. Probably every third time I pick up my phone it's to go in the market... although I've only had it for three days, so it's mostly just trying to find apps for everything I want.

Doesn't disabling data sync make it so your calendar and email apps don't update? or is that not the case since everything uses push?
 
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The battery life on mine was terrible so i called sprint up yesterday. The lady said they knew about the problems and had me turn the data sync off on the phone. I have been using the phone all day (texting) and its at 40% right now. That is 10 hours of usage so far. The only downside to turning the data sync off is that you cant access the market (only thing i have noticed) but who goes into the market all the time?

That's "beautiful"... is that the solution? So for those of us who utilize the Moment as our "workphone" and need to get access to work emails (replaced my Blackberry), we just won't get any important emails, eh?

No worries, I work for Sprint anyways..... :rolleyes:
 
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Me. Probably every third time I pick up my phone it's to go in the market... although I've only had it for three days, so it's mostly just trying to find apps for everything I want.

Doesn't disabling data sync make it so your calendar and email apps don't update? or is that not the case since everything uses push?


I tried the same thing but gmail, google calendar and contacts stopped updating. That's no good
 
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Me. Probably every third time I pick up my phone it's to go in the market... although I've only had it for three days, so it's mostly just trying to find apps for everything I want.

Yeah, i was like that at first. I have only went into the market 2 times in the past 3 days, so it dies down after a bit.

Doesn't disabling data sync make it so your calendar and email apps don't update? or is that not the case since everything uses push?

You are correct. You can disable different parts of the syn, including : Gmail, Calendar, and Contacts. If you disable Background Data, it disables everything. If you click Auto Sync, it turns off the Gmail, Calendar, and contacts. You can click it to sync.

That's "beautiful"... is that the solution? So for those of us who utilize the Moment as our "workphone" and need to get access to work emails (replaced my Blackberry), we just won't get any important emails, eh?

No worries, I work for Sprint anyways..... :rolleyes:

Im not saying its a permanant or the best fix in the world, im just telling you it saves a ton of battery. I am going on 11 hours now, still at 40% according to the battery widget on my desktop screen. According to the actual battery information in the start up (send, center pad and end button all held down) it has 60% left. The problem is obviously that data syncing drains the phone the most, and i suspect that when an upgrade of software comes for the phone we will not see this as a huge problem.
 
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Im not saying its a permanant or the best fix in the world, im just telling you it saves a ton of battery. I am going on 11 hours now, still at 40% according to the battery widget on my desktop screen. According to the actual battery information in the start up (send, center pad and end button all held down) it has 60% left. The problem is obviously that data syncing drains the phone the most, and i suspect that when an upgrade of software comes for the phone we will not see this as a huge problem.

When I had the Hero, Using autosync didn't impact battery as much as it does with my moment (at least it didnt seem that way. I was getting about 11 hours with it either way). I think your right, theres obviously something different they did to implement CDMA into this otherwise CDMA incompatible android version. HTC did it right by extracting the most needed 1.6 features that mattered the most to us sprint users.
 
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I found out that my battery keeps on reading inaccurately etc, and once you unplug it, it will go down to 90% or so in 5 minutes. This worked for me:

1.) Charge battery until it stops charging
2.) Take off the charger, THEN insert it again in about 10 seconds
3.) Allow it to charge until it's full (should only take about an hour)

This second charge will seem to calibrate the battery meter and the life of the battery. Hope this works for you as it did for me. LOVE THE PHONE~!!!!
:):):):)
 
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If she is a heavy texter, why not get her a texting phone like the rant or rumor?

Also, the battery life on the phone isn't terrible at all. The battery reader on the phone itself is bad, and should be updated in the next OS upgrade. If you shut down the phone, and then click and hold the green, center and red button till it goes to a diagnostics screen. Scroll down to battery information and that is your actual battery life.

Another thing that has helped my battery life tremendously is turning off all the data sync items. No you cannot browse the market, your contacts will not update nor will your calendar or gmail, but the life will improve tremendously. My phone use to die after 5 hours of little usage, but now lasts 15 hours and it still only gets down to 50%! I do a lot of texing also, so it does keep it up.
 
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