Root data throttling hack?

novemberwhiskey · Dec 26, 2010

Has anyone tried the following hack to prevent data throttling with success?

[GUIDE] How to defeat data throttling - xda-developers

mhornfeck72205 · Dec 26, 2010

wow.. i hope this works..

AFAngryWarrior · Dec 26, 2010

Won't work on Verizon they throttle OTA through the switching system, not via the handset software.

PatHoge · Jan 1, 2011

AFAngryWarrior said:
Won't work on Verizon they throttle OTA through the switching system, not via the handset software.

This could explain why I haven't seen any noticeable difference since applying that hack a few days ago.

Deleted User · Jan 1, 2011

I can't believe any large network provider would do data throttling on the client side. Friggin' stupid.

scary alien · Jan 1, 2011

Way back in April, member pkopalek posted something about changing the network name that the HTC Droid Eris broadcasts for dial-up networking (DUN) from "dun.vzw3g.com" to "vzw3g.com".

Here's the post: http://androidforums.com/htc-droid-eris/65845-tethering.html#post609084

The last line of Paul's post was this: "As far as Verizon is watching, you're moving all that data right into your phone, and not tethering.".

I would love to know if there are comparable settings for the Droid X.

Of course, the volume of data that you transfer to and from your phone would also be a big clue to Big Brother too (which is probably how they are monitoring things anyway, instead of what network address the data is seen coming from).

Cheers!

Deleted User · Jan 1, 2011

Yes, there is. The 3G Wifi Hotspot hack does this.

http://androidforums.com/droid-x-al...free-3g-mobile-hotspot-ap-mode-tethering.html

Essentially, starting up the app changes your identity on the network to be one of a phone with an active hotspot. Cycling your phone's radio changes it back. The TBH hack in their app simply modifies the NVRAM of your phone to always use the non-hotspot identity even after you launch the app.

scary alien · Jan 1, 2011

binary visions said:
Yes, there is. The 3G Wifi Hotspot hack does this.

http://androidforums.com/droid-x-al...free-3g-mobile-hotspot-ap-mode-tethering.html

Essentially, starting up the app changes your identity on the network to be one of a phone with an active hotspot. Cycling your phone's radio changes it back. The TBH hack in their app simply modifies the NVRAM of your phone to always use the non-hotspot identity even after you launch the app.

Thank you!

I had seen tekahuna's (FreeWELL) XDA thread, but there wasn't a mention of the DUN IP name change (in the first page at least) like there is/was in FreeWELL's AF thread, so I wasn't sure that was doing the same thing.

Cheers!

irmac · Jan 1, 2011

I don't understand. If I'm just a average rooted Droid X owner and use wifi tether, do I need to do any of this? I don't want Verizon getting upset with me for using too much data

scary alien · Jan 1, 2011

irmac said:
I don't understand. If I'm just a average rooted Droid X owner and use wifi tether, do I need to do any of this? I don't want Verizon getting upset with me for using too much data

Well, from what I've read over the past year is that VZW probably won't zing you for using 5GB or less per month. More than that are you are asking for unwanted attention and getting slapped with a wi-fi hotspot monthly fee.

There's been a lot of debate (in a variety of phones threads) regarding what you really are entitled to per your terms of service for data consumption (especially if you are paying for unlimited service).

I, myself have only tested-out the wi-fi tethering and then only long enough to prove to myself that it really works. I have forbidden my son (whose phone I pay for) from rooting (at the moment) for the purpose of having his own wi-fi hotspot for fear of him exceeding any real or artificial limits that VZW might have. I also have not read the VZW terms of service in any great detail to see what the penalties and limitations there are.

I think if you decide to use any of the wi-fi tethering or "free" hotspot "features" (

) you should simply be prepared to pay the piper (so to speak) should VZW catch on.

Just my two-cents. Cheers!

sund0wn · Jan 2, 2011

verizon does NOT throttle. unless you are on cricket, there is no need to do this on an X.

novemberwhiskey · Jan 3, 2011

sund0wn said:
verizon does NOT throttle. unless you are on cricket, there is no need to do this on an X.

Source?

I can't say for sure, but I have definitely experienced slower tethering speeds once I start watching lots of videos.

faber78 · Jan 3, 2011

scary alien said:
Well, from what I've read over the past year is that VZW probably won't zing you for using 5GB or less per month. More than that are you are asking for unwanted attention and getting slapped with a wi-fi hotspot monthly fee.
!

^ive used over 5g and one month over 7g and never heard a word out of them. (just to correct your statement). never got a "wifi fee"
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the day they do say something, ill pay my way out of contract and switch to land line internet.
those are the terms of MY contract. unlimited means unlimited.
i say where MY money goes. if they dont like what i do then i dont need their services; problem solved.

faber78 · Jan 3, 2011

which on that note; can anyone show me one single person whom is verifiable and has gotten this wifi fee? or are we just spreading non-sense and fear over nothing?
(from what i understand the only true data cap is going to be when 4g come out; now im talking about caps, not throttling).

apavolka · Jan 3, 2011

faber78 said:
^ive used over 5g and one month over 7g and never heard a word out of them. (just to correct your statement). never got a "wifi fee"
-----------------
the day they do say something, ill pay my way out of contract and switch to land line internet.
those are the terms of MY contract. unlimited means unlimited.
i say where MY money goes. if they dont like what i do then i dont need their services; problem solved.

I use on average about 6gb/month. Mainly because I don't use wifi.... My router is very unreliable and I only use it as a switch.

eraursls1984 · Jan 3, 2011

I use about 16 gigs a month (no I don't tether at all) and I haven't noticed it. I think its stupid to get rid of unlimited for 4g since the competition has unlimited and its cheaper, if they do get rid of unlimited im going to sprint.

faber78 · Jan 3, 2011

eraursls1984 said:
I use about 16 gigs a month (no I don't tether at all) and I haven't noticed it. I think its stupid to get rid of unlimited for 4g since the competition has unlimited and its cheaper, if they do get rid of unlimited im going to sprint.

thats what im saying....its a free market and im free to take my money somewhere else....so they (carriers) can cry and impose this or that....doesnt bother me; somebody else will be glad to make the money.

i really dont understand people who are stuck with at and t's caps and the iphone with no real freedom....beats me.

if its a infrastructure issue like i always hear about (their system cant handle the load)....then id suggest using some of the profits to build infrastructure...or dont; i dont care....i dont profit from that company. i simply use their services for my wants, if they cant meet those needs; ill find someone who will.

edit: sorry, im sort of off topic with talking about data caps as opposed to throttling....im gonna shut up

sund0wn · Jan 3, 2011

faber78 said:
thats what im saying....its a free market and im free to take my money somewhere else....so they (carriers) can cry and impose this or that....doesnt bother me; somebody else will be glad to make the money.

i really dont understand people who are stuck with at and t's caps and the iphone with no real freedom....beats me.

if its a infrastructure issue like i always hear about (their system cant handle the load)....then id suggest using some of the profits to build infrastructure...or dont; i dont care....i dont profit from that company. i simply use their services for my wants, if they cant meet those needs; ill find someone who will.

edit: sorry, im sort of off topic with talking about data caps as opposed to throttling....im gonna shut up

it's just the way wireless is going. carriers will have to do it eventually, because wireless speeds are catching up to wired speeds. in the past, wireless speeds were so far behind, that people wouldnt consider dropping their home internet, and just use their phones to tether. now that speeds are so comparable, more and more people are doing it, so the carriers have to combat that. i mean, just look. in this thread alone there is someone who claims to use 16GB a month. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, but previous to 3G, carriers NEVER had to worry about customers doing that.
Now, sprint and T-Mo may still be offering unlimited 4G (T-Mo does throttle at 5), but it's not because they have a more stout infrastructure, it's because they have less than half the users on their networks. Verizon has nearly 95M customers, and they are eventually going to have to be proactive in making sure their network doesnt get bogged down by too many data hogs.
am i saying i'm happy to know that unlimited data will eventually disappear? no. do i understand it? yes.

sund0wn · Jan 3, 2011

novemberwhiskey said:
Source?

I can't say for sure, but I have definitely experienced slower tethering speeds once I start watching lots of videos.

i work for verizon, and am in a high enough position to know these things. The Crickets and T-Mobiles of the world who do throttle, dont hide it. they have no reason to. they WANT people to be aware of their usage, and to know there is a consequence to using too much.

FreeWELL · Jan 3, 2011

sund0wn said:
i work for verizon, and am in a high enough position to know these things. The Crickets and T-Mobiles of the world who do throttle, dont hide it. they have no reason to. they WANT people to be aware of their usage, and to know there is a consequence to using too much.

So everyone over at XDA that is touting that this works on DroidX, DINC, and other phones are on some fairy dust, having mass hallucinations? With benchmarks to boot?

Uncapped Data - Possible on the X - xda-developers

faber78 · Jan 3, 2011

sund0wn said:
it's just the way wireless is going. carriers will have to do it eventually, because wireless speeds are catching up to wired speeds. in the past, wireless speeds were so far behind, that people wouldnt consider dropping their home internet, and just use their phones to tether. now that speeds are so comparable, more and more people are doing it, so the carriers have to combat that. i mean, just look. in this thread alone there is someone who claims to use 16GB a month. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, but previous to 3G, carriers NEVER had to worry about customers doing that.
Now, sprint and T-Mo may still be offering unlimited 4G (T-Mo does throttle at 5), but it's not because they have a more stout infrastructure, it's because they have less than half the users on their networks. Verizon has nearly 95M customers, and they are eventually going to have to be proactive in making sure their network doesnt get bogged down by too many data hogs.
am i saying i'm happy to know that unlimited data will eventually disappear? no. do i understand it? yes.

that sucks to hear.
but on the bright side; i just got true unlimited data, movie streaming, and online video games back by switching to land line....lulz....

sund0wn · Jan 3, 2011

FreeWELL said:
So everyone over at XDA that is touting that this works on DroidX, DINC, and other phones are on some fairy dust, having mass hallucinations? With benchmarks to boot?

Uncapped Data - Possible on the X - xda-developers

it's not mass halucinations, it's more likely placebo affect. there is not nearly enough data to support those claims over there.. the couple people that did run speed tests did like one before and after. it is entirely possible for speedtest.net to jump that much from one test to another, because they test with such a small amount of data.
i really am not concerned with whether or not people believe me, but verizon absolutely does not throttle. it is illegal to throttle without being forthcoming about it. i'm also not trying to offend anyone, i'm simply providing information on the topic. verizon doesnt typically lie to their regional directors, so i'm inclined to believe what i know. i welcome conflicting info, but there's no need to be rude about it.

the following tests were run back to back. i doubt either are incredibly accurate, since they were less than 2 minutes apart, and the second was nearly double the first:

faber78 · Jan 4, 2011

interesting debate.
i guess the only thing im left thinking is, what is it gonna hurt to run it?
im running currently with no problems.

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