Gingerbread 2.3 was here, then gone, now it's back

rsarno · Jan 25, 2011

gonzoguy24 said:
Google shouldn't allow manufacturers to do what with their free software? The manufacturer can do whatever they want...which is the same exact reason that the cyanogenmod team can do whatever they want and that is why we have the great CM7 nightlies.

CM team can mod the software all they want, its opensource, and the result of their work is a "try at your own risk" product.

HTC (for example) on the other hand is releasing an actual device. They should be held to keeping that device up to date, for atleast as long as the OFFICIAL software revisions (froyo/gingerbread/icecream/whatever) continue to support the actual hardware of that device.

ChiTownJim · Jan 25, 2011

CM7 is legit and perfectly stable probably the most stable rom I've ever used . I'm loving it, so smooth and fast . I have not noticed one thing that does not work on it

r3dlined · Jan 25, 2011

gonzoguy24 said:
Seriously. If you want a fully working gingerbread build go root the phone and run the CM7 nightlies. I have been running them for about 10 days and have had pretty much zero issues.

I can confirm that the phone is smoother and faster and better at multitasking with Android 2.3.

everything is functional now?

rsarno · Jan 25, 2011

r3dlined said:
everything is functional now?

yes, that rom is truly amazing. some people have small glitches here and there, but for the most part there isnt a single issue

Medion · Jan 25, 2011

ChiTownJim said:
CM7 is legit and perfectly stable probably the most stable rom I've ever used . I'm loving it, so smooth and fast . I have not noticed one thing that does not work on it

Rsarno isn't disputing this. He's simply stating that it is HTC's obligation to support the device, not Cyanogen's.

gonzoguy24 · Jan 25, 2011

rsarno said:
CM team can mod the software all they want, its opensource, and the result of their work is a "try at your own risk" product.

HTC (for example) on the other hand is releasing an actual device. They should be held to keeping that device up to date, for atleast as long as the OFFICIAL software revisions (froyo/gingerbread/icecream/whatever) continue to support the actual hardware of that device.

They probably SHOULD but they also have to focus their resources on developing for new devices and new versions of HTC sense. They do not have to update the incredible if they do not want to. We already bought it.

So far my "try at my own risk" product has been awesome.

jayjay1122 · Jan 25, 2011

killaskezo said:
does anyone know if with the 2.3 update will include updated live wall papers?

Hard to say really, although they usually throw in one or two fresh LWP's. I have stopped flashing the Gingerbread ROM's for now, but I remember that they had the Nexus S LWP in them.

Maybe one of the "crackflashers" posting in the thread can verify if the Nexus S LWP is in CM7.

gonzoguy24 · Jan 25, 2011

jayjay1122 said:
Hard to say really, although they usually throw in one or two fresh LWP's. I have stopped flashing the Gingerbread ROM's for now, but I remember that they had the Nexus S LWP in them.

Maybe one of the "crackflashers" posting in the thread can verify if the Nexus S LWP is in CM7.

The CM 7 builds just have a typical customizable nexus LWallpaper. Since the Nexus S is stock, whatever LWpapers it has, will be stock on the Inc. HTC may choose to add some new ones however if they ever release a GB build!

euph_22 · Jan 25, 2011

rsarno said:
Google shouldnt allow manufacturers to put out a product they dont intend on fully supporting, for at least the near future. not even a year later, and we are already missing out on updates (possibly)?

I could understand if it was such a major update that the hardware wouldnt support it. But it appears to be fine, since im running GB via CM7 perfectly stable lol

I certainly agree with the sentiment here. But either android is Free (as in speech), or it's not. Under the licensing scheme they're using (and for that matter, ANY licensing scheme I'd consider free/open) Google has no ability to forbid or allow specific manufacturers from doing anything. And just about the only things they can do, cut off what direct support they do give to the manufacturers, will be counterproductive.

Google SHOULD try and find ways to encourage the manufacturers to better support their products.

And can we all agree to hold off on the "OMG we're never getting an official Froyo. They're LEAVING US BEHIND!!!!" Let's wait till somebody actually gets the update before we play that game (the Nexus one hasn't even gotten it yet).

EDIT: oh, just to reaffirm what others have posted...we expect HTC to meet FAR higher QA standards. If 1 out of every 5 installs of CM* is unstable (FC's, reboots, the like), nobody really cares. Just reflash it or flash something else. If 1 out of every 50 install of HTC's official release does that, customers would be up in arms. Just my $0.02 on that.

euph_22 · Jan 25, 2011

jareth said:
I'm sorry, but this is an embarrassment. Say what you will about the iphone, but when a new version of iOS comes out, every phone capable of running it has got it within less than a month. Google needs to take over the update process; gingerbread has been out for months and only ONE android device has it!

This isn't some tiny company out in CA, this is GOOGLE. Don't tell me they can't do it.

I'm not knocking android, I just want what I paid for.

Apple can do that because they 1) are only dealing with 1 manufacturer, 1 UI, and 2 devices (not counting variations-IE the iPhone 3gs is basically the same as the same generation of iPod Touch and iPad).
3) Apple updates every year. Google has released 3 major versions (and 3 minor ones, by my count) in that time.
2) iOS doesn't DO major releases. Apple's firmware engineers never stray too far from home. Copy and paste was a red letter improvement, while android has been changing almost everything (new compiler, flash support, improved memory/task management, etc [ok, that's a compulation of the last 3 updates. But under the apple scheme they'd all be released together]).

uceagle21 · Jan 26, 2011

euph_22 said:
Apple can do that because they 1) are only dealing with 1 manufacturer, 1 UI, and 2 devices (not counting variations-IE the iPhone 3gs is basically the same as the same generation of iPod Touch and iPad).
3) Apple updates every year. Google has released 3 major versions (and 3 minor ones, by my count) in that time.
2) iOS doesn't DO major releases. Apple's firmware engineers never stray too far from home. Copy and paste was a red letter improvement, while android has been changing almost everything (new compiler, flash support, improved memory/task management, etc [ok, that's a compulation of the last 3 updates. But under the apple scheme they'd all be released together]).

I completely agree with this statement. Apple does upgrade quicker but I don't see much difference from the first iPhone to the most recent one. The look is basically the same, the functions are basically the same, and the overall performance is basically the same. I have noticed a lot of new changes with Android and it seems they are moving to make every phone much better with every version that comes out. I would rather wait a little longer to have more of an "update" than be able to update more often and not have as much change to the operating system

v8dreaming · Jan 26, 2011

jareth said:
I'm sorry, but this is an embarrassment. Say what you will about the iphone, but when a new version of iOS comes out, every phone capable of running it has got it within less than a month. Google needs to take over the update process; gingerbread has been out for months and only ONE android device has it!

This isn't some tiny company out in CA, this is GOOGLE. Don't tell me they can't do it.

I'm not knocking android, I just want what I paid for.

You already have what you paid for in your hand. Nobody promised you anything other than that.

damewolf13 · Jan 26, 2011

It has been updated to Froyo, and it is an AMAZING phone, even if it NEVER gets Gingerbread. Sure it would be nice to recieve it, but if we don't, lets not underestimate this phones' capabilities just as it is!

medwa · Jan 26, 2011

With the amazing support we are getting from the devs at the moment, I would put the incredible very close to the top of the pack as far as android phones go at the moment.

Personally, I wouldn't trade my incredible for anything else on the market right now.

rsarno · Jan 26, 2011

medwa said:
With the amazing support we are getting from the devs at the moment, I would put the incredible very close to the top of the pack as far as android phones go at the moment.

Personally, I wouldn't trade my incredible for anything else on the market right now.

x2

holdshort · Jan 28, 2011

medwa said:
With the amazing support we are getting from the devs at the moment, I would put the incredible very close to the top of the pack as far as android phones go at the moment.

Personally, I wouldn't trade my incredible for anything else on the market right now.

No but there are some phones coming that I would trade it for!

NightAngel79 · Jan 29, 2011

medwa said:
With the amazing support we are getting from the devs at the moment, I would put the incredible very close to the top of the pack as far as android phones go at the moment.

Personally, I wouldn't trade my incredible for anything else on the market right now.

+1

edit: THIS IS SPARTA!!

jareth · Jan 30, 2011

v8dreaming said:
You already have what you paid for in your hand. Nobody promised you anything other than that.

Tell that to a customer trying to decide between a droid and the iphone. See how it goes over. :rolleyes:

sail4fun201 · Feb 3, 2011

Running Gingerbread on my Incredible now. Battery life is amazing.

The people that really care about getting the update are savvy enough to run a program and click root.

And besides, the iPhone 3G got the latest update and can't function. And my iPod 2g stopped getting real updates like a year after - it can't do multitasking or wallpapers behind the icons.

euph_22 · Feb 3, 2011

sail4fun201 said:
Running Gingerbread on my Incredible now. Battery life is amazing.

The people that really care about getting the update are savvy enough to run a program and click root.

And besides, the iPhone 3G got the latest update and can't function. And my iPod 2g stopped getting real updates like a year after - it can't do multitasking or wallpapers behind the icons.

The iPhone 4 can't multitask...

hrbib21 · Feb 4, 2011

jareth said:
Tell that to a customer trying to decide between a droid and the iphone. See how it goes over.

99.9% of the folks buying these phones don't know or care about software updates, they care whether or not it works as advertised NOW. This forum is a tiny microcosm of the entire android user base so don't be lulled into thinking otherwise.

itmike · Feb 4, 2011

hrbib21 said:
99.9% of the folks buying these phones don't know or care about software updates, they care whether or not it works as advertised NOW. This forum is a tiny microcosm of the entire android user base so don't be lulled into thinking otherwise.

Actually most consumers are getting aware of this and does factor into their decision. I just had a guy buy the HTC Evo over the Epic because of Samsung's bad rep for not pushing out updates. This meant more to him than a slide out keyboard.

blkbeltkid17 · Feb 4, 2011

I have a few family friends who work for big red and what I have gotten from them its that no phones out on the market including the x are not getting gb and the phones that come out this year are the first ones garntieed gb ... But I am already running it so it dont matter to me

StevenZ · Feb 6, 2011

blkbeltkid17 said:
...no phones out on the market including the x are not getting gb...

Not to quibble, but I'm just trying to clarify the double negative.
Are you suggesting that the Dinc will or won't be getting GB?

blkbeltkid17 · Feb 6, 2011

Sorry acording to them no phones that came out before the start of this year are getting gb

Gingerbread 2.3 was here, then gone, now it's back

When will VZW push a fixed GB OTA

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11/21/11

Don't care (rooted already, etc)

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