Root Darktremor App2SD Froyo Testing Thread

mattrb · Feb 1, 2011

Hello,
The Velocity 1.0 ROM has been successfully tested and now a ROM with no data space left has 300MBs. Beware if you dont want your $12 Class6 SD card (Newegg) to die in 2 years. Stay away.

Lets all test the flashable zip from darktremors site:
http://tinyurl.com/dt2753beta04

Now go to adb and type su
then /system/bin/a2sd install

It should now work and be activated.

Here are the EASY commands to work with darktremor app2sd and get the juicy features that make your phone even faster.

And remember to always NANDROID before flashing any zip.

Here is a description of the amazing darktremor:

Darktremor Apps2SD is not the same as Froyo Apps2SD. Froyo Apps2SD creates a secure folder on the FAT32 section of your SD card (this is the section that you see when you mount your phone to your computer) and stores the programs there. This is nice as you don't have to do anything special with the phone, but it isn't backwards compatible with older versions of Android (Cupcake, Donut, Eclair) and, because of the way Froyo works, older programs not designed for Froyo will automatically stay on your internal storage (unless you install a program that forces the move to your SD card).

Also Froyo App2sd is not very efficient because it only puts a certain amount of app space on the SD. The LG Ally is not a good candidate for Froyo App2SD because the RAM Space is shared with the /data space. LG was cheap for doing this and this is the solution.

NOTE: Do not post on this thread if you do not like Darktremor app2sd. Make your own thread because this thread is for development only. Darktremor does not kill your SD card, darktremor does not eat your babies, darktremor does not cause Lag.

greenless · Feb 1, 2011

Isn't a2sd built into Froyo?

Afteraffekt · Feb 1, 2011

That method of Apps2sd puts ALOT of strain on the phone and sdcard, and causes MOST lag problems seen on 2.1, please install move2sd for root users off the market and use that, MUCH better and MUCH more reliable

mattrb · Feb 2, 2011

Afteraffekt said:
That method of Apps2sd puts ALOT of strain on the phone and sdcard, and causes MOST lag problems seen on 2.1

Darktremor does not cause lag. My buddies nexus one is lag free.

You dont realize that this phone shares app space with ram and therefore traditional app2sd is preferred. Velocity did not lag for me and if it did it was not because of app2sd.

The app2sd strain with a sd card will kill it after about 2 years. By then sd cards will be $1. Your comments on the subject of app2sd show you dont have any knowledge on the subject.

jrock204657 · Feb 2, 2011

Yea...I think EVERYONE could have done without your smartass comments. Show a little respect.

Viper05 · Feb 2, 2011

mattrb said:
Darktremor does not cause lag. My buddies nexus one is lag free.

You dont realize that this phone shares app space with ram and therefore traditional app2sd is preferred. Velocity did not lag for me and if it did it was not because of app2sd.

The app2sd strain with a sd card will kill it after about 2 years. By then sd cards will be $1. Your comments on the subject of app2sd show you dont have any knowledge on the subject.

Honestly you may want to take After's advice. Hes done a lot for the community and i don't think he has any reason to say that method of forcing to sd can cause problems. The app he suggested is free on the market and works well. I would recomend that method to save phone storage.

Lets show our devs some respect, eh?

Valkerie · Feb 2, 2011

Afteraffekt certainly *does* know what he's talking about.

I know I have data on my SD card that I don't want to lose again. I already went through one dead SD card, it's not worth the risk of damage to use Darktremor's a2sd script anymore.

Viper05 · Feb 2, 2011

I imagine any form of apps to sd will put additional wear n tear on our micro sd cards. I'm still using the crummy stock glass 4 - 4 gig card, i want to get a class 10 16 gig in a couple weeks and see if i can notice a difference besides more storage XD

mattrb · Feb 2, 2011

Most android phones with custom ROMS that are older use traditional A2sd. The Android Community has accepted darktremor app2sd with OPEN ARMS.

jrock204657 said:
Yea...I think EVERYONE could have done without your smartass comments. Show a little respect.

Whomever thinks darktremor a2sd is crap needs not to comment because they will not contribute this development thread. You are just a hater troll if you think otherwise. What's the point of a developer thread when the only thing get out of it is uninformed trolls making baseless claims and not contributing to development. I made this thread to make sure people know about the amazing darktremor script and get it working on the LG Ally. Not for people to harp on it.

Valkerie said:
Afteraffekt certainly *does* know what he's talking about.

Afteraffekt said that traditional app2sd puts strain on the phone. This is completely made up. Does it strain the processor, or is it the screen? maybe it's the keyboard? He does not explain this. He also does not say why app2sd lags the phone. Therefore it was made up. I am sorry to be the harbinger of knowledge to him but he does not know what he is talking about.

Valkerie said:
I already went through one dead SD card.

If you want to prevent your SD card from dying. Don't buy SD cards on eBay from shady foreigners. If you are worried about losing that data on your SD card. Backup. Your SD card is 16GB and your PC is 1TB. This is very easy to do.

sparko2010 · Feb 2, 2011

mattrb said:
Most android phones that are older use traditional A2sd. This is nothing new kids. This afteraffekt guy had a lot to say and nothing was based on fact. Whom ever thinks darktremor a2sd is crap needs not to comment because they will not contribute this thread. You are just a hater troll if you think otherwise. What's the point of a developer thread when the only thing get out of it is uninformed trolls making baseless claims and not contributing to development.

Attitudes like yours are exactly why we lose dev's... If you know so much more than anyone else why don't you test this instead of asking someone else to?

I sure hope your answer isn't that you don't know how, because that wouldn't help your case much.

mattgaitan · Feb 2, 2011

I agree with sparko2010, if you want it tested you should test it yourself considering you're being disrespectful to devs, Afteraffekt just gave you advice, its your choice weather to follow it or not, no need for disrespect. if you love darktremors apps2sd, great, use it. Just because someone else doesn't like it, or advises you not to use it for certain reasons doesn't mean you need to listen.

mattrb · Feb 2, 2011

sparko2010 said:
Attitudes like yours are exactly why we lose dev's... If you know so much more than anyone else why don't you test this instead of asking someone else to?

I am actually contributing to developement. You actually have it backwards. Trolls who harp on developers and people who contribute caused death2all110 and Velocity (temporarily) to leave. Now we have people telling me that darktremor causes your phone to break. Someone made baseless claims with no reasoning for them and I defended the development.

mattgaitan said:
you're being disrespectful to devs

Afteraffekt has not made a ROM. Your comment came out of left field.

Sorry if I come off as harsh but I had to regulate against the blatant misinformation.

There is a reason why darktremor has half a dozen threads in XDA with over 500 comments in each. The reason is because this script is useful to people and for the people who disagree..... Read below.

NOTE: Do not post on this thread if you do not like Darktremor app2sd. Make your own thread because this thread is for development only. Darktremor does not kill your SD card, darktremor does not eat your babies, darktremor does not cause Lag.

GRZLA · Feb 2, 2011

mattrb said:
I am actually contributing to developement. You actually have it backwards. Trolls who harp on developers and people who contribute caused death2all110 and Velocity (temporarily) to leave. Now we have people telling me that darktremor causes your phone to break. Someone made baseless claims with no reasoning for them and I defended the development.

There is a reason why darktremor has half a dozen threads in XDA with over 500 comments in each. The reason is because this script is useful to people and for the people who disagree..... Read below.

NOTE: Do not post on this thread if you do not like Darktremor app2sd. Make your own thread because this thread is for development only. Darktremor does not kill your SD card, darktremor does not eat your babies, darktremor does not cause Lag.

Sorry if I come off as harsh but I had to regulate against the blatant misinformation.

If you don't like hearing opinions then you shouldn't have made a thread about it. I don't like this a2sd because it moves apps to sd that shouldn't be there. You know things like widgets? This version of a2sd can cause problems if you have widgets installed and unlock your homescreen before letting your sdcard get read when booting up your phone resulting in reboots.

Its not a perfect script, and it does cause a lot of wear and tear on SD Cards. Something like angry birds can cause massive amounts of reading/writing that can quickly burn on an SD card.

People are allowed to have opinions, as well as voice them.

mattrb · Feb 2, 2011

GRZLA said:
I don't like this a2sd because it moves apps to sd that shouldn't be there.

Class 6 can handle all the widgets and apps you can imagine.

GRZLA said:
You know things like widgets?

Never heard of it. Is it on iOS or MeeGo?

GRZLA said:
This version of a2sd can cause problems if you have widgets installed and unlock your homescreen before letting your sdcard get read when booting up your phone resulting in reboots.

Maybe an earlier version of darktremor did this but I have not seen it.

GRZLA said:
Its not a perfect script

Nothing is perfect in life.

GRZLA said:
it does cause a lot of wear and tear on SD Cards.

Alot= break it in 6 months. This breaks it in 2 years. In 2 years MicroSDs will be given out for free pretty much.

GRZLA said:
Something like angry birds can cause massive amounts of reading/writing that can quickly burn on an SD card.

How quick? Please elaborate on how you found this out.

GRZLA said:
People are allowed to have opinions, as well as voice them.

People are allowed to have opinions but one should make another thread about if it does not pertain to this development thread. The thread should be, "Why traditional app2sd is bad."

I respect you, GRZLA, and appreciate the work that you have provided so please contribute for the LG Ally darktremor and help out the community. Sorry about dissecting your comments but you said a lot of stuff.

The LG Ally cant handle Froyo App2SD because the app space is too small, that is why I made this thread. GRZLA, you will come to point where you will feel the same way. You will suddenly be out of app space and will moan about it. Instead of sitting on my hands and not doing anything about the lack of space. I made this thread. VelocityROM was awesome for this reason. Unlimited app space. Unfortunately for me, a whole lot of misinformation has occurred. GRZLA, if you dont like app2sd why have not not voiced concerns prior like in relation to VelocityROM.

mattgaitan · Feb 2, 2011

mattrb said:
Afteraffekt has not made a ROM. Your comment came out of left field.

Afteraffekt actually did make a rom, but i believe he pulled it awhile after because teamed up with death on the punisher rom.

kninetimmy · Feb 2, 2011

people need to chillax hahaha
i mean really if you wanna work on this thread fine no big deal i to preffer darktremmor a2sd but no need to be a douche a guy who is very smart and has helped dev roms and could possibly help you with your phone. kind of dont yell at the guy who makes your food kinda deal

sparko2010 · Feb 2, 2011

I'm confused how you can say that the ally can't handle froyo a2sd. With a simple ap from the market you can move whatever programs you want to the sd. I don't know about you but I like choosing which apps go where. Some apps just don't work as well on the sdcard (games especially). My phone was faster without a2sd on v4.

odbo255 · Feb 3, 2011

I'm going to avoid commenting on the back and forth and instead go back and discuss the OP.

I encourage others to do the same.

mattrb said:
Also Froyo App2sd is not very efficient because it only puts a certain amount of app space on the SD. The LG Ally is not a good candidate for Froyo App2SD because the RAM Space is shared with the /data space.

mattrb, can you please elaborate on this? I'm very interested to understand this more. If you can point me to existing discussion or documentation even better.

Pre-froyo with Dark Tremor a2sd cache-enabled (apps2sd + dalvik2sd) I had 110mb free. Now, post-froyo with App2SD and all applications moved to SD by Move2SD Enabler I only have 30mb free.

I'm especially interested in knowing if there is a solution either using dt-a2sd but not utilizing apps2sd functionality and utilizing dalvik2sd only. Or some other method to independently enable dalvik2sd.

The end goal is to be able to use Froyo App2SD + dalvik2sd together.

I *think* that this combination should free most of the memory that I "lost" now that I'm using Froyo App2SD instead of a2sd cache-enabled (apps2sd + dalvik2sd).

mattrb · Feb 3, 2011

odbo255 said:
mattrb, can you please elaborate on this? I'm very interested to understand this more. If you can point me to existing discussion or documentation even better.

I don't know where I read this but even I if I am wrong, which I may be in this case, I do know that the app space is very small compared to Velocity. Therefore, its important to find a solution and darktremor is the solution.

mattrb · Feb 3, 2011

The darktremor script that I posted in the top post has been successfully tested on velocity 1.0 and works just as fast as on the non-darktremor velocity.

Instead of 30 megabytes left now there is 300 megabytes left.

Oh and your $12 8GB class 6 SD card will die in 2 years by using this script. By then the SD card will be $1.

netizenmt · Feb 4, 2011

mattrb said:
The darktremor script that I posted in the top post has been successfully tested on velocity 1.0 and works just as fast as on the non-darktremor velocity.

Instead of 30 megabytes left now there is 300 megabytes left.

Oh and your $12 8GB class 6 SD card will die in 2 years by using this script. By then the SD card will be $1.

Wow an SD card for a $1. And you would know this because you what? Have a time travelling machine?

Thanks for wanting to help all us lame-o's out with this thread. We would be lost without your brilliant insight.

Did that sound sarcastic? Well, so did your approach. Maybe that's why you're not getting nearly as much help as you would had you been even slightly less condescending.

Just sayin'

mattrb · Feb 4, 2011

netizenmt said:
Maybe that's why you're not getting nearly as much help as you would had you been even slightly less condescending.

My OP was condescending? Nope. You must not have read the OP.

Just sayin'

I just wanted to help other people out to make a sub-par phone that lacks app space better. Froyo app2sd does not fix the inherent deficiency of the app space in the LG Ally. This was my original intention. Many people were making false comments and I wanted to set the record straight.

Now that this works in making a sub-par Velocity powered froyo phone better, we should all be grateful of this upgrade path.

Forget $1 SDcards, SD card will be given out at church or in your newspaper in 2 years. Yes I do have a time machine, its called depreciation. Remember when a 20 MB hard drive costed $400, now its free.

mattgaitan · Feb 4, 2011

you do know that after technology goes down in price, it go back up again right? So no, it wont be free or even 1 dollar one day.

Slug · Feb 4, 2011

Hello, your friendly neighbourhood mod here.....

Opinions are good, but remember that everyone has one. Disagreeing is fine so long as it's done respectfully and without resorting to pettiness. AF welcomes discussion but frowns upon argument. Please bear this in mind when contributing to this thread.

motorsport226 · Feb 4, 2011

Afteraffekt said:
That method of Apps2sd puts ALOT of strain on the phone and sdcard, and causes MOST lag problems seen on 2.1, please install move2sd for root users off the market and use that, MUCH better and MUCH more reliable

Would a class 4 card be good enough for move2sd?

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