Droid Bionic RAM + 4G coverage

morkon · Jan 21, 2011

droidfan1 said:
Yeah, I feel my X doesn't load pages on the internet quick enough, it also lags slightly too much in games, and the launcher crashes / freezes every so often.

RAM wont speed up your load times for data, the crashing launcher is probably due to blur, or software issues if you're running LP or ADW. Also, Tegra 2 will speed up your games, due to a robust GPU, RAM shouldn't help too much for that. The only real reason to increase RAM is if your app switching takes a while, due to android killing running apps to free up RAM. There is pretty much no need for 1GB of RAM on an android phone.

Crude · Jan 21, 2011

morkon said:
RAM wont speed up your load times for data, the crashing launcher is probably due to blur, or software issues if you're running LP or ADW. Also, Tegra 2 will speed up your games, due to a robust GPU, RAM shouldn't help too much for that. The only real reason to increase RAM is if your app switching takes a while, due to android killing running apps to free up RAM. There is pretty much no need for 1GB of RAM on an android phone.

" 640 kb of memory is all anyone will ever need"

mb01 · Jan 21, 2011

Crude said:
" 640 kb of memory is all anyone will ever need"

Read up about RAM if you have to, Android phones already have an increasing overkill of RAM to begin with. This phone has DDR2 RAM, which is way more important than a useless increase of size which would never be used (considering that whenever the apps get big enough to actually use all of this RAM, you will have a new phone way before then). No one's saying these phones will never need more RAM. We are saying they won't need for til probably the end of the year, at the earliest.

Before someone decides to say "But, but, but, Atrix got 1GB!". IT HAS WEBTOP, IT RUNS AN ENTIRE LINUX-BASED OPERATING SYSTEM ON AN EXTERNAL DISPLAY TO FUNCTION LIKE A DESKTOP/LAPTOP. BIONIC DOES NOT.

Calais79 · Jan 21, 2011

mb01 said:
I'm with Verion, have an Incredible. It's Blur I hate, as well as a locked bootloader and that nasty hump that comes with the X. Someone can go ahead and try to list all the great features it may have, won't change the fact that I and a lot of others think the X sucks.

This argument is defunct as of several months ago, it is insanely easy to root an X and get rid of the blur. In less than one hour youcan have a dx (which has superior specs) with whatever ROM/theme you want overclocked with free wireless tether.

As for me, my area has 4G coverage, and I have a rooted Droid X. I used my upgrade on it so I would gave to work out a way to get my brother's upgrade and sell my dx on ebay for the cash to buy it. So I plan to either wait to see what the iphone5 looks like even though I despise the iphone, just in case it is something truly impressive. If not, I will try to finesse a way to get my hands on that Bionic; if I can't, I suppose i will wait outthe next wave of 4G LTE devices or wait until the price of the Bionic is down and rooting method have been configured.

mb01 · Jan 21, 2011

Calais79 said:
This argument is defunct as of several months ago, it is insanely easy to root an X and get rid of the blur. In less than one hour youcan have a dx (which has superior specs) with whatever ROM/theme you want overclocked with free wireless tether.

As for me, my area has 4G coverage, and I have a rooted Droid X. I used my upgrade on it so I would gave to work out a way to get my brother's upgrade and sell my dx on ebay for the cash to buy it. So I plan to either wait to see what the iphone5 looks like even though I despise the iphone, just in case it is something truly impressive. If not, I will try to finesse a way to get my hands on that Bionic; if I can't, I suppose i will wait outthe next wave of 4G LTE devices or wait until the price of the Bionic is down and rooting method have been configured.

All of your ROMs are based off of your own blur stock ROM, and are all 2.2. Why? Because of a locked bootloader. You cannot port ROMs, you cannot get 2.3, you cannot have true AOSP ROMs, you cannot make any other modifications to the kernel besides a slight overclock. On the Incredible, we have ports from the Desire Z, the HD, Acer's Liquid, Meizu's M9, the Evo, multiple AOSP built ROMs, multiple types of kernels with many modifications, multi-point touch (up to 10) included in them. There is much more. You have "Blur-less" ROMS, which is just removing Blur apps, which will never function as properly or as well as true AOSP.

PowerCosmic · Jan 21, 2011

According to the following post on Motorola's FB page, they're looking at a solution for the perceived bootloader issue. The post was most likely made to combat an unflattering "buy elsewhere" youtube comment made recently by a Moto employee, but if they're being honest then the future looks promising.
Bootloader Feedback Policy | Facebook

morkon · Jan 21, 2011

Crude said:
" 640 kb of memory is all anyone will ever need"

I really would like to know why you would NEED more than 512MBs of RAM. Anyways, with a CPU as fast as the T2, the benefit of extra ram becomes moot. Android excels at using RAM efficiently. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, unlike windows where the more you have, the smoother your system runs.

droidfan1 · Jan 22, 2011

Wow, I guess I have changed my views.

Maybe I will be getting the Bionic after all.

morkon · Jan 22, 2011

If you really are unsure, go into verizon when they come out and download some stuff, run a bunch of apps. Try to see if it lags. Maybe im wrong, but from what I understand about android, a lot of RAM isn't needed for it to be a fluid experience

drdoom · Jan 22, 2011

I guess you guys missed the sarcasm in Crude's post. He is quoting the CEO of a computer manufacture (Digital something?) from the 1990's.

morkon · Jan 22, 2011

I believe it was Bill Gates who said that. Sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet. But yes, I get the reference. I understand there will be a point where phones will need a gig of ram, I just dont believe it's right now.

mb01 · Jan 22, 2011

drdoom said:
I guess you guys missed the sarcasm in Crude's post. He is quoting the CEO of a computer manufacture (Digital something?) from the 1990's.

I understood the reference, only problem is we aren't saying these phones will never need more RAM. The case is that CURRENT phones do not need more RAM because of the way the software is set up. Android has a fairly aggressive system for freeing up resources, such as RAM, constantly. Only 6 apps can run at a single time, and even if you had the 6 biggest apps known to Android open at the same time, you would still not utilize the full 512 MB of RAM. Android runs off of the Dalvik VM, a register-based virtual machine that was created for devices with lower amounts of memory. This means Android, and the apps made for it, are designed to leave the smallest footprints possible because of these devices lesser memory. Until Android gets a decent makeover, and higher amounts of memory can be added in without negatively affecting the phone in significant ways, more RAM will be useless (Webtop functionality is an exception, but Bionic doesn't have it).

droidfan1 · Jan 23, 2011

Gotcha. Will be picking up a bionic, possibly. Depends on the bootloader. Motorola may be thinking it over.

drdoom · Jan 23, 2011

I agree with most of your post, mb01. And I think 512mb will be perfectly fine for at least the next year. But where did you read that only 6 apps can be running at a time?

droidfan1 · Feb 6, 2011

drdoom said:
I agree with most of your post, mb01. And I think 512mb will be perfectly fine for at least the next year. But where did you read that only 6 apps can be running at a time?

Was wondering this as well?

Crude · Feb 6, 2011

Why does everyone insist on lecturing me on my knowledge of computer hardware and or phones. I doubt half the members on this board ever saw a 16 mhz computer much less upgraded the CPU to a cyrix 33mhz. Look I know what ram does and how it effects a device. At the rate that phones are developing right now it's likely you'll never NEED anything the bionic has to offer. By the time the software catches up you'll have a new phone. Trust me, there are things you can do with more ram that you can't with faster ram.

mb01 · Feb 6, 2011

Crude said:
Why does everyone insist on lecturing me on my knowledge of computer hardware and or phones. I doubt half the members on this board ever saw a 16 mhz computer much less upgraded the CPU to a cyrix 33mhz. Look I know what ram does and how it effects a device. At the rate that phones are developing right now it's likely you'll never NEED anything the bionic has to offer. By the time the software catches up you'll have a new phone. Trust me, there are things you can do with more ram that you can't with faster ram.

Yea, there are things you can do with more RAM..on a desktop/laptop COMPUTER. Android was built for lower memory accessibility at the CORE. If they were to want to utilize the accessibility of more RAM, they would literally have to rebuild Android completely, as well as the apps that it runs because this would change the VM that runs everything. I don't care how much you know about RAM and hardware, you simply just don't know much about Android software. I also don't understand how having seen a 16mhz computer relates to knowledge...I change CPUs in PCs all the time and would not ever even need to know what they do or how they work.

YankeeDudeL · Feb 6, 2011

Wow, this phone is causing some drama. That in and of itself makes me want it more. lol

Crude · Feb 6, 2011

mb01 said:
Yea, there are things you can do with more RAM..on a desktop/laptop COMPUTER. Android was built for lower memory accessibility at the CORE. If they were to want to utilize the accessibility of more RAM, they would literally have to rebuild Android completely, as well as the apps that it runs because this would change the VM that runs everything. I don't care how much you know about RAM and hardware, you simply just don't know much about Android software. I also don't understand how having seen a 16mhz computer relates to knowledge...I change CPUs in PCs all the time and would not ever even need to know what they do or how they work.

Have you rooted an Android yet?

FragDroidX · Feb 6, 2011

Crude said:
Why does everyone insist on lecturing me on my knowledge of computer hardware and or phones. I doubt half the members on this board ever saw a 16 mhz computer much less upgraded the CPU to a cyrix 33mhz. Look I know what ram does and how it effects a device. At the rate that phones are developing right now it's likely you'll never NEED anything the bionic has to offer. By the time the software catches up you'll have a new phone. Trust me, there are things you can do with more ram that you can't with faster ram.

But in this context the faster desktop grade DDR2 ram in the Bionic still has more of a benefit than the slower LPDDR2 ram in the Atrix. In every day use as a cellphone/pda the ram in both is going to be utilised the same way due to the same Android OS. Since both have the same T2 SoC the higher processing power is certainly going benefit more from faster ram than it will with more slower ram sitting there unused allowing the device with the faster ram to be faster in everyday tasks such as web browsing and loading video/audio content etc. If thats not correct I am certainly willing to learn what is.

Crude · Feb 6, 2011

FragDroidX said:
But in this context the faster desktop grade DDR2 ram in the Bionic still has more of a benefit than the slower LPDDR2 ram in the Atrix. In every day use as a cellphone/pda the ram in both is going to be utilised the same way due to the same Android OS. Since both have the same T2 SoC the higher processing power is certainly going benefit more from faster ram than it will with more slower ram sitting there unused allowing the device with the faster ram to be faster in everyday tasks such as web browsing and loading video/audio content etc. If thats not correct I am certainly willing to learn what is.

Generally yes. Programs can be made memory persistent though. These programs are always running and occupy ram until terminated. It's not common on non-rooted phones but this is the mythical power of Android that Iphone doesn't have. I can tell you without a doubt that 256mb of ram is FAR too little for how I use my phone. 512mb is probably enough for now, but lets assume some one figures out how to get webtop to run on the bionic without the dock...or what if Android become a gaming platform. 512mb isn't going to be enough. And face it that's where it's at, right? Your computer doesn't need a quad core or sli video cards, SS HD's, or 4 gig of ram...until you start messing with games and photoshop. I'm not sure any mobile processor at this point is taking advantage of the speed of ram in current phones.

In the end the argument here is dumb....but I'm a irritated that my humor is being used to belittle me.

FragDroidX · Feb 6, 2011

Crude said:
Generally yes. Programs can be made memory persistent though. These programs are always running and occupy ram until terminated. It's not common on non-rooted phones but this is the mythical power of Android that Iphone doesn't have. I can tell you without a doubt that 256mb of ram is FAR too little for how I use my phone. 512mb is probably enough for now, but lets assume some one figures out how to get webtop to run on the bionic without the dock...or what if Android become a gaming platform. 512mb isn't going to be enough. And face it that's where it's at, right? Your computer doesn't need a quad core or sli video cards, SS HD's, or 4 gig of ram...until you start messing with games and photoshop. I'm not sure any mobile processor at this point is taking advantage of the speed of ram in current phones.

In the end the argument here is dumb....but I'm a irritated that my humor is being used to belittle me.

Not sure if I belittled you. Was not my intent if I did. I was just giving my understanding of the way the ram is used. In the end I am just trying to understand better how these things work.

jroc · Feb 6, 2011

YankeeDudeL said:
Wow, this phone is causing some drama. That in and of itself makes me want it more. lol

lol...I'm with you.

droidfan1 · Feb 6, 2011

YankeeDudeL said:
Wow, this phone is causing some drama. That in and of itself makes me want it more. lol

Hopefully devs will agree and make better /more custom roms!

Crude · Feb 7, 2011

droidfan1 said:
Hopefully devs will agree and make better /more custom roms!

Now this I think we can all agree on...

Droid Bionic RAM + 4G coverage

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