Root Just rooted. Data speeds +++

snilloconator · Feb 17, 2011

I found a handy video on how to root your phone. This is something I'm not interested in but seen the thread and thought I'd post...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCcd1XQrTzE

Kopsis · Feb 17, 2011

Follow the threads on XDA you you'll see that AT&T's ROM for the Inspire does have HSUPA disabled. The ROMs people are flashing as part of the rooting process (you can't flash the stock ROM and retain root) turn HSUPA back on. Contrary to popular belief, upload speeds (just like ping times) CAN affect download speeds in certain benchmarks. TCP is a fully handshaked network protocol. If you can't acknowledge incoming data fast enough, your downloads will not be able to use full network bandwidth.

lsutigers03 · Feb 17, 2011

Kopsis said:
Follow the threads on XDA you you'll see that AT&T's ROM for the Inspire does have HSUPA disabled. The ROMs people are flashing as part of the rooting process (you can't flash the stock ROM and retain root) turn HSUPA back on. Contrary to popular belief, upload speeds (just like ping times) CAN affect download speeds in certain benchmarks. TCP is a fully handshaked network protocol. If you can't acknowledge incoming data fast enough, your downloads will not be able to use full network bandwidth.

I think someone at XDA has made a rooted stock ROM that you can flash.

AndreaCristiano · Feb 17, 2011

Kopsis said:
Follow the threads on XDA you you'll see that AT&T's ROM for the Inspire does have HSUPA disabled. The ROMs people are flashing as part of the rooting process (you can't flash the stock ROM and retain root) turn HSUPA back on. Contrary to popular belief, upload speeds (just like ping times) CAN affect download speeds in certain benchmarks. TCP is a fully handshaked network protocol. If you can't acknowledge incoming data fast enough, your downloads will not be able to use full network bandwidth.

Yes we know this but the op didn't flash anything only rooted. Therefore that will not bring faster speeds alone

Kopsis · Feb 17, 2011

AndreaCristiano said:
Yes we know this but the op didn't flash anything only rooted. Therefore that will not bring faster speeds alone

I'm pretty sure you can't root without flashing a different ROM. You MUST flash an old DHD ROM to even get the exploit that allows you to get S-Off. That breaks things like sound, so then you must flash another ROM to get that back. If you flash the stock ROM at that point, you'll still have S-Off but you lose root.

It does appear that there's now a hacked version of the stock ROM that retains root. I'm not sure if it's also had the switch flipped to enable HSUPA.

stancrazy · Feb 17, 2011

Kopsis said:
Follow the threads on XDA you you'll see that AT&T's ROM for the Inspire does have HSUPA disabled. The ROMs people are flashing as part of the rooting process (you can't flash the stock ROM and retain root) turn HSUPA back on. Contrary to popular belief, upload speeds (just like ping times) CAN affect download speeds in certain benchmarks. TCP is a fully handshaked network protocol. If you can't acknowledge incoming data fast enough, your downloads will not be able to use full network bandwidth.

If what you are saying is true then the Inspire would NEVER be able to get much above 4mb/s, (because the upload is limited).

Does anyone else think that seems "off" since this phone was sold as an HSPA+ "4G" phone with peak dl in the 14mb/s range capabilities???

mattbe213 · Feb 17, 2011

AndreaCristiano said:
Dude why are you having such a hard time spelling ?

Sorry about that. I am mainly posting on the Inspire with the Gingerbread keyboard installed. I will start checking before I publish my posts.

Matt

Kopsis · Feb 17, 2011

stancrazy said:
If what you are saying is true then the Inspire would NEVER be able to get much above 4mb/s, (because the upload is limited).

Does anyone else think that seems "off" since this phone was sold as an HSPA+ "4G" phone with peak dl in the 14mb/s range capabilities???

The phone was also sold as having 4GB of internal storage :rolleyes:

Technically, the Inspire 4G has hardware capable of 14 Mbps HSPA+. And AT&T can opt to enable HSUPA at any time with an OTA software update. I'd like to believe they'll do that in March once the promised improved backhaul is in place, but there's no guarantee. I guess we'll know in a couple weeks.

AndreaCristiano · Feb 17, 2011

Kopsis said:
I'm pretty sure you can't root without flashing a different ROM. You MUST flash an old DHD ROM to even get the exploit that allows you to get S-Off. That breaks things like sound, so then you must flash another ROM to get that back. If you flash the stock ROM at that point, you'll still have S-Off but you lose root.

It does appear that there's now a hacked version of the stock ROM that retains root. I'm not sure if it's also had the switch flipped to enable HSUPA.

Yes you can. Rooting is one procedure and flashing a rom is another. You can root the phone get superuser access and never flash a Rom on a phone. So sorry your statement is incorrect

stancrazy · Feb 17, 2011

Kopsis said:
The phone was also sold as having 4GB of internal storage

Technically, the Inspire 4G has hardware capable of 14 Mbps HSPA+. And AT&T can opt to enable HSUPA at any time with an OTA software update. I'd like to believe they'll do that in March once the promised improved backhaul is in place, but there's no guarantee. I guess we'll know in a couple weeks.

Agree with everything you said but didnt get the point about the 4GB of internal storage.

Are you talking about how it only shows 1G of avail storage left? I was under the assumption that the other 3g was already used and or was reserved as a buffer zones for I/O memory space for future ota upgrades etc etc...??

Coming from a computer background..i look at everything differently and it causes me problems on phones...example..i didnt know phone data speeds abbreviations was based on bits and not bytes (everyting in the pc world is bytes now days) etc etc. I do know that on computers...the advetised hard drive capacity is always several Gigs MORE than whats actually shows available as hard drive space (and thats normal as there is always a protected area for certain critical things to run on).

Kopsis · Feb 17, 2011

AndreaCristiano said:
Yes you can. Rooting is one procedure and flashing a rom is another. You can root the phone get superuser access and never flash a Rom on a phone. So sorry your statement is incorrect

The only way I know of to root the Inspire 4G is here: xda-developers - View Single Post - HTC Inspire Hack Kit

From that page:

"You can use the ROM I packed especially for the Inspire here ... , or you can use this kernel to fix the rom installed at downgrade if you wish."

If there's a way to root the Inspire 4G that doesn't involve flashing a downgrade ROM, I'd love to see a link.

Kopsis · Feb 17, 2011

stancrazy said:
Agree with everything you said but didnt get the point about the 4GB of internal storage.

All I was getting at is that the marketing specs routinely tell you what you have, not necessarily what you can use.

stancrazy · Feb 17, 2011

There may not be yet, the devs put everything all in simple sets..but technically rooting and installing a custom rom....NOT the same things. Just because the current avail steps combine the two does not really change that.

AndreaCristiano · Feb 17, 2011

Kopsis said:
The only way I know of to root the Inspire 4G is here: xda-developers - View Single Post - HTC Inspire Hack Kit

From that page:

"You can use the ROM I packed especially for the Inspire here ... , or you can use this kernel to fix the rom installed at downgrade if you wish."

If there's a way to root the Inspire 4G that doesn't involve flashing a downgrade ROM, I'd love to see a link.

That's only because as of now you need a gold card once they get past that they will be seperate transactions

Kopsis · Feb 18, 2011

AndreaCristiano said:
That's only because as of now you need a gold card once they get past that they will be seperate transactions

Yes, I understand that. And it's more than just a goldcard. You need a ROM installed that has the "bug" that the S-Off exploit takes advantage of. A goldcard alone will not get you anywhere on the stock ROM today.

But we weren't talking about the future. There was a statement that the OP had rooted without flashing a different ROM so the improved network performance couldn't be attributed to ROM changes. I simply argued that, as things stand today, if he has root, then he has flashed a non-stock ROM.

harlenm · Feb 18, 2011

I saw 3.2mbps down last night, but only 350k up. That's totally unacceptable that a phone with so much potential is crippled like that. As soon as I have some free time I'll be rooting and installing a Desire ROM to get HSUPA enabled.

AndreaCristiano · Feb 18, 2011

harlenm said:
I saw 3.2mbps down last night, but only 350k up. That's totally unacceptable that a phone with so much potential is crippled like that. As soon as I have some free time I'll be rooting and installing a Desire ROM to get HSUPA enabled.

I'm waiting till end if march April. My area should get full backhaul first. So if speeds don't dramatically change then I will look into it

Nosser · Feb 20, 2011

Yes the data speed are very disappointing but I do like the phone. My iPhone 4 was getting over 4.1-4.9mbps download speeds at my house and my Inspire is getting barely 2.2mbps! I have the correct hspa+ data features on my account too!

AndreaCristiano · Feb 20, 2011

Nosser said:
Yes the data speed are very disappointing but I do like the phone. My iPhone 4 was getting over 4.1-4.9mbps download speeds at my house and my Inspire is getting barely 2.2mbps! I have the correct hspa+ data features on my account too!

but you dont have HSPA+ without backhaul that isnt launching till end of march!!

Manny05 · Feb 20, 2011

so does rooting indeed give you faster speed on the network or what?

harlenm · Feb 23, 2011

Manny05 said:
so does rooting indeed give you faster speed on the network or what?

Faster upload speeds are definitely possible, I saw 1.2megs up after rooting, never saw more than 350k up before that.

Loiselle · Feb 24, 2011

Okay, haven't seen it asked, but if it has... I'm sorry ahead of time...

I used to Jailbreak/Unlock my iPhone with ease, as I have seen others say as well...

I've seen the word "PERMANENT" thrown around.

"PERMANENT" as in you cannot undo what you did to return it to bone stock? You cannot "un-root" to factory settings?

leavinghome · Feb 25, 2011

Hey guys. I was hoping to post this in the thread that I started in this subforum but still hasn't been approved by a mod

Basically, my thread included everything you need to know on how to root, from the goldcard process, to flashing a DHD (Desire HD) custom rom. As I stated before somewhere in this forum lol, all DHD ROMS will have sound problems. There's no official fix, although there are some fixes out there but do not fix the problem completely. You will always have static in the speaker, whether you're watching a YouTube video or on a call.

Anyway, it was starting to bug me a lot, so I kept searching and searching for something with stock and root and FINALLY came across this one. It's a rooted stock Inspire ROM. Keep in mind tho that I'm preeeetty sure you will still have to make a goldcard and so that you can S-OFF so you can flash custom ROMS. It's a hassle, yes, but I can tell you from experience that it's worth it. This ROM will have NO sound issues as it's stock, bloat will be removed. It won't allow tethering through the stock app, but as I've read in the XDA forums, you can sideload an app to allow tethering without a seperate data plan.

Again, if you want a complete stock ROM experience this is the way to go. Also, the video that snilloconator posted is what I used as well. I'm not too experience when it comes to Rooting but I didn't have too many problems making a goldcard (which is the most difficult part of the process). Hope this helps! And if any have questions just let me know

leavinghome · Feb 25, 2011

Loiselle said:
Okay, haven't seen it asked, but if it has... I'm sorry ahead of time...

I used to Jailbreak/Unlock my iPhone with ease, as I have seen others say as well...

I've seen the word "PERMANENT" thrown around.

"PERMANENT" as in you cannot undo what you did to return it to bone stock? You cannot "un-root" to factory settings?

I'm not 100% sure on this, but from what I've read you can go back to stock with a certain utility. Now, I didn't use this at all, this is only what I've read so I wouldn't trust it 100%. If you read the last post made on this thread page, the guy said he flashed back to stock with that utility. With that utility, you will lose root I believe.

Again, don't wanna give you any false info =/ this is only what I've read.

Kopsis · Feb 26, 2011

It is possible to return to stock after rooting. Simply flashing the original recovery image will get you back to running the stock ROM. You will lose root, but your S-off will remain so you could still flash an alternative ROM if you wish. If you want to get back to S-on (i.e. for warranty purposes), it can be done using the tools in the hack-kit that you use to get root in the first place. You have to do it before flashing the stock recovery image and the technique is not well documented, but it is possible.

Personally, I recommend waiting at least 30 days before rooting your Inspire. This does three things: 1) allows time for most hardware build or infant mortality problems (that would necessitate an exchange) to surface, 2) gives you time to establish a good baseline for how the phone performs with the stock ROM, 3) gives the ROM cookers time to fix the bugs (there have been quite a few) in the alternative ROMs and the rooting (and restoring) process.

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