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***Official Samsung Fascinate 2.2 Speculation Thread***

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I have a battery drain issue I was wondering if anyone else had that I hope Froyo can fix.....I seemed to be getting horrible life from my battery so I did I full drain and then recharged her 100%, then unplugged it again well i slept, and in about 3 hours, screen off, cell standby 19% with 0% time without a signal and with barely any apps running [Beautiful Widget/NoLED/ADWLauncher EX] in those 3 hours it dropped to 86%.....that seems like a lot doesnt it? Is it possible that my battery is just going bad? I've only had this phone like 3 months.....:thinking: I can't seem to find a remedy and it kills me cuz i cant even make it through an entire day with a full charge

I'm have the same story, I've also had the phone 3 months. I think Froyo in general just sucks the battery a lot, I'm running 2.8.
 
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I'm have the same story, I've also had the phone 3 months. I think Froyo in general just sucks the battery a lot, I'm running 2.8.

On my wife's Fascinate Froyo seems to suck the battery a lot. On my Fascinate the battery lasts all day and then some. Even with a couple hours of gaming. My wife's had 56% left the other night, so she didn't plug it in. It died in the middle of the night. She sometimes doesn't make it through a day on a full charge, and I doubt she uses her Fascinate as much as I use mine.

Her battery should've been broke in by now, and we both have the same build. I might have to try out some different ROMs, or maybe switch to a voodoo kernel. I wish the OTA would drop so I could test that at least on her phone. Then, in case it is a defective battery, I can get it replaced for her.
 
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I'm have the same story, I've also had the phone 3 months. I think Froyo in general just sucks the battery a lot, I'm running 2.8.

I'm not running Froyo, im still on stock 2.1....the battery seems to last longer [obv] when I have Airplane mode on, but as soon as i take it off it starts dropping like crazy again and my reception is showing almost full bars, i dont understand? I assume if the battery is lasting longer on Airplane Mode then its not ness a defective battery....would a hard reset work if there was some awol program that not coming up in the running apps work? Like i said when I first got it, battery life was pretty good, now its dropping like crazy to the point i cant even make it through an entire day on medium to no use. Any suggestion on what I could try? [remember im stock, unrooted 2.1]
 
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current froyo release date is March 22. Of 2015.

qwiktune, sounds like you have an application that is using data in the background. uninstall suspect programs. even though things are not shown in the running program list a lot of times they hide in the android startup and run without you knowing.

If you're rooted "autostarts" is an AWESOME program that's $1 in the market to see all the programs that start up upon boot or other events, and you can disable progrmas you don't want starting from there.
 
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current froyo release date is March 22. Of 2015.

qwiktune, sounds like you have an application that is using data in the background. uninstall suspect programs. even though things are not shown in the running program list a lot of times they hide in the android startup and run without you knowing.

If you're rooted "autostarts" is an AWESOME program that's $1 in the market to see all the programs that start up upon boot or other events, and you can disable progrmas you don't want starting from there.

Funny thing is all the programs i had that I didnt when the battery life started suffering, ive deleted to see if that was the issue, but no. I was thinking about doing a hard reset, then going from there. I assume if it still does it then its a hardware/battery issue, but if not, well then it was some app I had
 
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Funny thing happened at the Verizon store today... was getting my text plan changed and noticed the Verizon lady also had a fascinate. I said "so do you have any idea when or if the Fascinate will be getting the update to 2.2?" she said "oh, I just got mine a couple of weeks ago, they send it out according to when you got your phone and I got mine right after they came out" I said, "you are talking about Android 2.2, right?" she said "yeah, they roll them out slowly and you should be getting it soon, its a text w/ a link to the download"

Hmmm........ she must be talking about something else entirely.


Definitely not rolling out Froyo in that way. I got my Fascinate on release day 9/9, only bought it over the Droid X because of the screen and promised Froyo by the end of October. Damn I hate Verizon.
 
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Since this is a speculation thread I'm sure there is an answer to my ponder. How is it that other phones can run Froyo, gingerbread? Is it because of the bloat that Verizon adds to the phone that makes it difficult for the manufacturer? If that's the case why is it that other manufacturers can deliver the upgrade?

What other circumstances would result in such a delay? Just curious... It sounds to me as if 2.2 has it's problems for those that rooted but that seems to vary from phone to phone which I would assume it's a software case by case??? Thanks in advance to anyone with any technical or logical insight.
 
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I have an opinion about why some device updates come much later than promised, but it's not a popular opinion.

Most popular opinions are the ones which have embedded in them some notion of a conspiracy to frustrate or inflict pain on device/carrier users, or to cause users to spend more money by purchasing another device, as if people frustrated with Samsung will go back to Samsung for their next phone. ;)

The biggest clue is that these long waits cause many users to burn out and start looking around at other manufacturers and other carriers. That is certainly not a strategy of Samsung or Verizon, to have their money flow switch direction away from them.

That leaves mistakes and incompetence, probably at more than one level, as the reason for the delays. They can't help it, they're trying; they don't want to lose us, but they're failing at bringing updates to some of their devices in a timely, efficient manner because the techs making the update software are having problems that they can't resolve quickly, over and over again. We've seen this in automobile recalls, and in other areas where consumers complain. I really think it's that simple.
 
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I hear Samsung just don't care anymore about updates on the Fascinate. I'd say let us return our phones let us by we have better things to do with our time. Droid X or Incredible......


I sit here and have nothing to lose to state mind. You call these people your friends seems to be a means to an end they don't care anymore what we say. I never believed them much anyway......I won't be there no more so Samsung let me by.
 
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Hard to understand what you posted but getting the jist of it phone manufactures don't care, they care about the money, every one of them does it.

They've pushed out updates for a few others in the galaxy s line and overseas our phones have seen the update for some time, so the blame should be placed squarely on the carriers. Samsung makes some of the best hardware and with some digging you can make this phone one of the best, up there with the tbolt and others.
 
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I have an opinion about why some device updates come much later than promised, but it's not a popular opinion.

Most popular opinions are the ones which have embedded in them some notion of a conspiracy to frustrate or inflict pain on device/carrier users, or to cause users to spend more money by purchasing another device, as if people frustrated with Samsung will go back to Samsung for their next phone. ;)

The biggest clue is that these long waits cause many users to burn out and start looking around at other manufacturers and other carriers. That is certainly not a strategy of Samsung or Verizon, to have their money flow switch direction away from them.

That leaves mistakes and incompetence, probably at more than one level, as the reason for the delays. They can't help it, they're trying; they don't want to lose us, but they're failing at bringing updates to some of their devices in a timely, efficient manner because the techs making the update software are having problems that they can't resolve quickly, over and over again. We've seen this in automobile recalls, and in other areas where consumers complain. I really think it's that simple.

Your reasoning has merit, and I think you're right about Samsung's point of view, but right now the only thing on Verizon's mind is the damn iPhone. I've pointed out numerous signs that offer strong evidence that this is the case.

Granted, to say it's the "only" thing on Verizon's mind is probably an exaggeration. But it's definitely more on the forefront than releasing other android phones in a timely manner or updating the ones that are out there now. They may deny this, but their efforts are clear.

What other smartphone have they gone to such an extent do sell? What other smartphone manufacturer have the kissed as much butt for?

None.

They were willing to let people return a competing smartphone MONTHS after purchase for $200 credit towards the new iPhone. This is well out of their normal return policy, and mysteriously WITHOUT the $35 restocking fee. What other smartphone have they announced A HARD RELEASE DATE so far in advance for? Been with Verizon for a decade, and I can't recall any other time.

And for the final question, I dare you to find me another modern, newly released smartphone with as little of Verizon's bloat on it right now a the iPhone has. Even the Thunderbolt has a good sampling of crap on it. I've seen you on the TB forums. :D In fact, Verizon's mouth probably has blisters on it from kissing Apple's butt so much lately.

And why would they do this? Simple. Their projected iPhone sales were well above actual numbers, and beyond the projections they were hoping to sell considerably more Apple devices than they actually sold. Their actual sales were such an iSlap in the face, that they continue to focus efforts (including emailing current eligible smartphone users to let them know that the MAGICAL IPHONE is now available to them!) on selling iPhones. I searched back five years in my email history (yes, I know, it's lame to keep emails that long) and I can't find an email from Verizon advertising another single phone model near to the extent they've advertised to me the iPhone. I received an email announcing the iPhone on January 12th, another on February 3rd, and another on February 8th.

The sales shortfall did not surprise me as much as it surprised them. They were six months late in releasing it, and it only had minuscule improvements (other than Verizon's coverage map) over the AT&T&T version. So now they are kissing as much Apple butt as possible to make sure they get the next iPhone in a more competitive time frame, so that they are truly a legit contender against AT&T&T with the release of the newest, latest, greatest Apple device.

Need more evidence?

Sprint releases EVO.
AT&T&T releases Inspire.
Then, Verizon releases the Thunderbolt. Thought it has some spec improvements over the other two, they are the LAST major U.S. carrier to release a high powered EVO-ish HTC large screened device.

AT&T&T releases the Atrix.
Months later, Verizon will supposedly release the Bionic, with WORSE specs nearly across the board, other than the "truer" 4G antenna, which the majority of Verizon subscribers will still not yet be able to enjoy, and minus the speed of the RAM, which will be somewhat negated since the amount is halved.

What happened to Verizon's "everything iDon't, Droid does" mentality of yesteryear?

The iPhone.
 
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Funny I've received exactly zero emails from verizon about the iPhone.

Verizon isn't even responsible for creating the software update, Samsung is. Verizon just tests it.

Verizon is an enormous corporation, and I assure you they are not single mindedly kneeling down, "servicing" apple, and neglecting their other phones/customers as you seem to believe.

Frisco's reasoning is a far more realistic scenario.
 
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I think it's a combination of two things: first, ineptitude on the part of Samsung Mobile (which is, after all, not a software company); and second, Verizon's rigorous testing. The first is a bad thing, and the second is a good thing. But both mean delays.

There is plenty of evidence that Samsung has been trying. They've delivered multiple builds of Froyo to Verizon; unfortunately, it has taken them forever to do so, and the builds have been too buggy for Verizon to release. (This would also explain why Samsung is so tight-lipped about what's going on: they can't exactly admit that they keep screwing it up.)

I wish Samsung were better at this, but they're not. And given their apparent quality problems, I'm glad Verizon is testing the hell out of it.
 
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Funny I've received exactly zero emails from verizon about the iPhone.

Verizon isn't even responsible for creating the software update, Samsung is. Verizon just tests it.

Verizon is an enormous corporation, and I assure you they are not single mindedly kneeling down, "servicing" apple, and neglecting their other phones/customers as you seem to believe.

Frisco's reasoning is a far more realistic scenario.

Well, my conclusions are based on a lot of observations. I neither hate Apple nor Verizon. I own a couple of Macs myself, and I continue to enjoy Verizon's exceptional coverage map, rivaled by none. Even with T-Mobile, AT&T will still not have as good of a coverage map as Verizon.

And with 4G sim card tech, more and more Verizon phones are going to become compatible with more and more different countries, which is an area Verizon has lacked.

And Verizon is still offering unlimited 4G/3G data for the $29.99/month fee. They have a lot of things going for them.

Honestly, the truth probably lies somewhere in between Frisco's conclusion and my above conclusion. Like I said, I fully agree that it's not Samsung's motivation to scare off return customers with stupid-late update releases. Verizon isn't in the business of pissing off its customers as much as possible either, and testing is obviously warranted - look at the reported bugs on each of the leaked Froyo builds. But I haven't seen them throw this much energy and effort to sell a single phone model since the original "Droid Does" campaign, and there are even some things they are doing for the iPhone that they didn't for the original droid. And maybe you didn't have two lines coming eligible for upgrade in roughly the same time frame as the iPhone's release.

Anyways, you're obviously free to make your own conclusions. With 6 years in retail and 10 years with Verizon, including several years selling cell phones myself, I base my opinions quite a bit on watching how these companies work and dealing with them personally. I'm not currently working retail, so Frisco likely knows some things I don't. I can only base my conclusions on what I see.
 
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Hey guys. I just wanted to put my two cents in about all this FROYO speculations. About a week ago my wife was talking to a Verizon customer relations Manager, she asked him if he new anything about if the Fascinate will ever get FROYO or not? In his words "YES, all I know though is it will be EARLY SPRING, but it will definatley ROLL OUT to Fascinate owners".
Just thought I would let everyone know.

Lets hope for the best.

Thanks everyone for all that you do and all the information you give.

PS: I have not really had to many issues with my phone as some others say they have. I have the damn GPS issue and the mass storage issue, but other than that I love my phone. (still want FROYO THOUGH)

MY FASCINATE
Still rolling with 2.1

 
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