If you don't have an iphone...

keep drinkin that cool-aid of yours!!

bellbottoms are just easy and dumded down for non-stylish people to use.
my pants allow me to make it more useful. sure.. they is a lot of zippers but I can put what ever I want in them.. to customize it for my daily use!

my friends.. all have dumped their bell for parachutes! you are living in the past!!

If you think so. But parachute pants are just a fad for those who want everyone to THINK they can breakdance!!!

Bell bottoms NEVER NEED TO BE DEFRAGGED!!!!!








.... wait, what?

wait!

make sure you not wearing that wrong!

Sorry about that latest outburst. I was quoting the bell bottoms spokesman when he was giving a demo at the launch. I'm not very technical though, so I'm afraid I don't know what the hell he was talking about. But it sounds better than needing fragged, so I guess it's a good thing?

widehead said:

Your distaste for the UI is understandable. However these are essentially superficial quibbles.
I mentioned that PCs act like filters for online malware - collecting trash as they go. And that they s-l-o-w-d-o-w-n horrifically over time. Compare this with a Mac - 2 years in and my macbook pro is still running as fast as it did when I bought it despite the fact that I use it for hours and hours every single day.

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My PC works just fine for me. Slow down? What is that? It runs the same way that it did the day I built it. It's people's own ignorance that causes their computer to pile up with malware, etc.

*x* works better. Not just for me. It works better, period. And take note - this is a issue of functionality at a deep level and not superficial quibbles over the UI.

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This is a purely subjective statement. Where is your undeniable proof that a Mac flat out works better than a PC? I've used PCs my whole life for the simple fact that it's easier being a gamer with a PC. This is the only reason why I use them.

@premium.

I agree. The first thing I do with a Windows install is strip out and disable everything possible. The usual suspects (outlook, outlook express and IE) are not allowed to run if I can help it. I use no other MS software, my own preferences in AV/FW/AM.
I usually also store anything of value on an EHD, The only time I really got into a fuss was with IE4. I forget what I was trying to do, but you had to turn off the active desktop, and MS hadn't included a way to do that. After that, I ran Lite, which didn't allow IE to run at all!
Like I said in a prior post, that box has been upgraded and updated since it was a 286.

ravenas said:

You do realize Apple's latest marketing tactic is a sign of their fear of Android? That's why Jobs just had to mention it at the iPad2 launch when he never acknowledges competitors, unless they pose a serious threat.

iOS is starting to show its flaws as the Honeycomb tablets make their debut. That's why iOS users are clammoring for iOS 5 begging for widgets and better notifications (i.e. all the things Android does better). That's why iPad owners are justifying the crappy cameras and iPhone users are hyping the idea of getting 8MP Sony cameras in iPhone 5.

The one thing Apple does better is the centralized iTunes store for music, videos and podcasts. But their books app is a dim second to Kindle. This is where the Amazon/Android alliance gets very scary for Apple. They are on the verge of losing their content dominance. And they know it.

FWIW I am very new to the mobile computing world. I dabbled in Windows CE for years but didn't get my first modern mobile OS devices until last year. I started with an iPad, branched out to a Touch 4g, upgraded to iPad2 and just came home with an LG Optimus to delve into Android. I'm shopping for an Android tablet this summer. I see reasons to like both OS's. And I know well how easy it is to get sucked into the Apple way. It's not just their one-stop shop of iTunes for music, videos and podcasts. It's the wealth of 3rd party accessories for speakers, chargers and other gadgets. The search for a decent iPad case alone is a lesson in how to make/spend money.

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First the disclaimer: if you jailbreak your iPad, many of the complaints about the iPad go away. Just saying.

I think Apple needs to compete because Android represents a growing threat. Look at the sales figures for iPads compared to other tablets. Lots of new tablets coming soon, but that does not mean their sales will eclipse the iPad. I seriously doubt Apple is scared of Android. Apple is a smart company and they know there is competition and they know they need to work harder, so they do.

We do not know what the future holds for Apple; the next iPad might be a killer.

I use an iPad and I have all the widgets I need. That said, Apple has definitely said there will be no widgets. They in fact, released a statement addressing this very thing.

Nothing wrong with a "one stop shop" for music and such. I can avoid iTunes altogether if I want to. Google, Amazon, other large concerns would love to be a one stop shop for all media. When Apple does it, it is somehow wrong. And I am not saying it is good, just good business.

I am not sure about your comment about iPad cases. Care to elaborate? Are you saying there are too many or not enough?

Bob

n0ct3m said:

My PC works just fine for me. Slow down? What is that? It runs the same way that it did the day I built it. It's people's own ignorance that causes their computer to pile up with malware, etc.

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Didn't I say that this was a possibility?

widehead said:

I'm perfectly willing to admit that perhaps there is a simple solution to the PC-slowdown-and-picking-up-malware-over-time issue but I am ignorant of what that is.

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And then didn't I follow that up with:

widehead said:

If you could explain how to maintain a PC at optimum speeds without picking up any virus etc over a two year period without reinstalling windows, running scans for malware etc I'd be eternally grateful.

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Maybe it's better putting it this way:

"Casual" users can use a mac for years without any issues of malware or slowdown of their OS.

"Casual" users cannot use a Windows based PC for more than a couple of months without needing to attend to issues of OS slowdown and malware.

So, for the vast majority of users (aside from gamers) Macs are better. Right? Because by your own admission:

n0ct3m said:

I've used PCs my whole life for the simple fact that it's easier being a gamer with a PC. This is the only reason why I use them.

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widehead said:

This so insulting. I use a macbook pro because it works better than a windows based laptop.

It seems like some people simply make disparaging comments because they are sheeple. Good job.

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Concur. I love the sheeple comment. Usually used by people that have an obtuse outlook on anything not within their microscopic view of the world.

I have a MBP as well, but also have Windows 7 Ultimate loaded on it via Boot Camp. I like having both a Mac and a "PC" in one device, but prefer OSX to Windows 7 (although only slightly.)

Guess I'm one of those "sheeple".

I tend to use the fanboy comment a lot. But really, I only hate fanboys.

Fanboy: - A person who is an avid follower of either a company, product, or idea and will go to extremes to tell you such, i.e. belittling a competitor, epeen, or just be a general d**che.

I like my iPad. It's kind of a pain to get my media onto it and apart from jailbreaking and ssh'ing into it, nothing else was very successful. Dropbox made things slightly easier. Nonetheless, I still like it. It's a good tool to have around. I read my sheet music on it (I'm a classical musician). I can browse most of the web. Heck, even the Berlin Philharmonic has an iPad specific site. Pretty cool.

Is it necessary? For me, almost. I want something different, but I highly doubt I'll get it anything soon (bigger e-ink type touchscreen (3rd or 4th gen Pixel Qi?), sd card or mountable drive, flash, etc.) I need to be able to read documents (in my case music) easily and from far away. I can't do that so well with the current mobile devices.

The great thing though? I'm young. I have time for mobile computing to evolve. The cool thing? You are too. I mean no offense to anyone that way, I'm just stating that what we're dealing with is a generally v1.0 of the mobile internet. It's frickin' 4 years old! (Yes I know there were incredibly capable smartphones before the iPhone) But now half my friends have smartphones! And musicians are generally the most technophobe people in our society! Just think how we'll interact 10 years from now? My phone might just do my dishes (by talking to my smart dishwasher of course)

Please, stop bickering. Enjoy your tech, and have fun with your friends.

P.S. - My devices to show my biases: HTC Droid Incredible, iPad 1, 3 Windows 7 computers, 1 Ubuntu server. Working on a hackintosh.

widehead said:

Didn't I say that this was a possibility?



And then didn't I follow that up with:



Maybe it's better putting it this way:

"Casual" users can use a mac for years without any issues of malware or slowdown of their OS.

"Casual" users cannot use a Windows based PC for more than a couple of months without needing to attend to issues of OS slowdown and malware.

So, for the vast majority of users (aside from gamers) Macs are better. Right? Because by your own admission:

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That's a great way to bend my words to meet your needs. I never said that I would use a Mac if it wasn't for the gaming, now did I? Just because gaming is the reason I use a PC doesn't mean I would jump to a mac if I didn't. Macs are no different than PCs. The only reason you see more PC based attacks is because there is a larger supply of PCs out there. If there were more Macs than PCs, do you not think the roles would be reversed?

Also, if myself (a more than casual PC user) can go on forever without picking up any unwanted slowdown/malware on my PC, don't you think a mere casual person, who uses their PC at a fraction of the amount I use mine, would be able to handle something as trivial as keeping their PC tidy? As I stated before, it's people's own ignorance that causes their computer to pile up with malware, etc.

n0ct3m said:

That's a great way to bend my words to meet your needs. I never said that I would use a Mac if it wasn't for the gaming, now did I?

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Well, you said that gaming was the only reason you use a PC. Not my fault you wrote things you didn't mean.

n0ct3m said:

As I stated before, it's people's own ignorance that causes their computer to pile up with malware, etc.

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And we both agree on that. But:

n0ct3m said:

Macs are no different than PCs.

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Except for the fact that PCs need to be "kept tidy". Right?

So, the fact that macs don't need to be kept tidy but PCs do means that macs are inherently superior, right? RIGHT?!!?!?

widehead said:

Except for the fact that PCs need to be "kept tidy". Right?

So, the fact that macs don't need to be kept tidy but PCs do means that macs are inherently superior, right? RIGHT?!!?!?

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What do you mean by being kept tidy? Anti-virus protection or constant OS and security updates needing to be downloaded?

While Mac's have enjoyed a nearly virus free existence, that is going to come to an end soon. The market share for Mac's has risen from 3% to nearly 10% in just a few years time, meaning hackers are going to start taking the time to write viruses for them. I currently have Sophos installed on my MBP and Avast 6 on the PC side.
As for updates, I have noticed that Apple has been sending out more regular security updates over the last year. I hope it never reaches the level of M$ sending updates out what seems like every week.

And slow down's can happen on any computer. Using a normal HDD and not an SSD, the more the drive is used up the longer it takes to access the info and load the program. You say you have a 2 year old MBP (so I can safely assume it is a core 2 duo and not an i series processor) you will have a significant slow down if you eat up 80% of your HDD.

I love my Mac as much as the next guy, but I think you might be giving to much credit to Mac's vice a systemic hardware problem that can happen on any computer.

Covart said:

What do you mean by being kept tidy?

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Erm. Those are your words, not mine.

Covart said:

While Mac's have enjoyed a nearly virus free existence, that is going to come to an end soon.

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But for now, it's better to own a mac to avoid malware?

Covart said:

As for updates, I have noticed that Apple has been sending out more regular security updates over the last year. I hope it never reaches the level of M$ sending updates out what seems like every week.

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Annoying isn't it? So, right now it's better to own a mac to avoid security issues and the hassle of making sure malware databases are up to date?

Covart said:

You say you have a 2 year old MBP (so I can safely assume it is a core 2 duo and not an i series processor) you will have a significant slow down if you eat up 80% of your HDD.

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Nope. My harddrive is pretty much full at the moment and slowdown is not an issue. If I tried the same with a PC (ie run it with no maintenance whatsoever) the slowdown would make windows essentially unusable. It's no argument to say: "Yeah, but windows PCs can run fast with maintenance and a little know-how!" The fact is that macs don't need maintenance and don't need know-how in order to keep them running at speed.

Covart said:

I love my Mac as much as the next guy, but I think you might be giving to much credit to Mac's vice a systemic hardware problem that can happen on any computer.

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Maybe. All I know is this: I used windows PCs from the early 90s until summer 2009. In August 2009 my employer gave me a free macbook pro (making it 1 and half years of ownership). At this time my PC was no slouch. I had a rig put together for the express purpose of playing Crysis. I haven't used that computer since October 2009 for the simple reason that it was too much time and effort to try and keep windows from clogging up, slowing down and generally being a massive pain in the arse.

widehead said:

Well, you said that gaming was the only reason you use a PC. Not my fault you wrote things you didn't mean.

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The only reason I use a PC != I would own a mac otherwise. This appears to be a concept you fail to grasp.

So, the fact that macs don't need to be kept tidy but PCs do means that macs are inherently superior, right? RIGHT?!!?!?

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Again, this is purely your own opinion, but I can do this too. Watch:

PCs are vastly superior to Macs becase it's greatly easier to do gaming on them.

widehead said:

Erm. Those are your words, not mine.

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??? I was quoting you. I think you have me confused with another's post.

widehead said:

Nope. My harddrive is pretty much full at the moment and slowdown is not an issue.

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So you have figured out how to beat the laws of physics and quantum mechanics? The only way to not deal with slowdown is if you have an SSD, with TRIM support of some kind (although I found through benchmarking my SSD over a year that OSX must have some sort of garbage collection built in to it.)

widehead said:

The fact is that macs don't need maintenance and don't need know-how in order to keep them running at speed.

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I'm sorry my man, but this is just plain wrong. Maintenance of some kind is required on any computer.
Let me ask you this, do you simply drag stuff to your trash can or do you have an app that looks for additional files associated to the program to ensure every file gets deleted? Do you have an app that looks for multiple copies of programs, audio or video files and deletes them? If you said yes to either of these, then you are conducting maintenance to conserve speed and help keep your hard drive from filling up.

I wonder if they'll ever come out with 'infinite drive' technology? Is anyone trying to tackle that one? It would require smarter memory than we currently have, or smarter storage I guess... or possibly both. But seriously, if our brains are for all intents and purposes an 'infinite drive', where you can never fill it up completely. You create more memory as you go, and just keep increasing and increasing, building new memory everytime you learn something new, see something new, feel something new, smell something new, taste something new... it just gets created on the spot.

I wonder if they'll ever crack that mystery. I mean our brains are only so big, you'd think there would be a limit to what we can store up there, but evidently we just keep cramming things up there second after second, minute after minute, and our brains never suddenly crash with a message saying, "low memory, please delete unwanted memories to free up space".

I mean sure I know we forget things, I know we don't retain every shred of information we have ever taken in. But still, wouldnt' it be remarkable if we could come up with a memory drive that works similar to our brains. That could just keep taking in more and more infromation no matter what. That was smart enough to pick out things that were unnecessary and pitched them and grouped like things together... for instance when you save the exact same picture 5 times on it, it would just keep the one since the others were all duplicates.

Obviously we're no where even close to coming out with that sort of technology. But computers are still relatively VERY young. Hell as far as they've come in the past 50 years, can you imagine what they'll be capable of 100 years from now???

Answer : No! None of us can imagine that. Because in 100 years they will be capable of unimaginable things!

Outlaw71 said:

I wonder if they'll ever come out with 'infinite drive' technology? Is anyone trying to tackle that one? It would require smarter memory than we currently have, or smarter storage I guess... or possibly both. But seriously, if our brains are for all intents and purposes an 'infinite drive', where you can never fill it up completely. You create more memory as you go, and just keep increasing and increasing, building new memory everytime you learn something new, see something new, feel something new, smell something new, taste something new... it just gets created on the spot.

I wonder if they'll ever crack that mystery. I mean our brains are only so big, you'd think there would be a limit to what we can store up there, but evidently we just keep cramming things up there second after second, minute after minute, and our brains never suddenly crash with a message saying, "low memory, please delete unwanted memories to free up space".

I mean sure I know we forget things, I know we don't retain every shred of information we have ever taken in. But still, wouldnt' it be remarkable if we could come up with a memory drive that works similar to our brains. That could just keep taking in more and more infromation no matter what. That was smart enough to pick out things that were unnecessary and pitched them and grouped like things together... for instance when you save the exact same picture 5 times on it, it would just keep the one since the others were all duplicates.

Obviously we're no where even close to coming out with that sort of technology. But computers are still relatively VERY young. Hell as far as they've come in the past 50 years, can you imagine what they'll be capable of 100 years from now???

Answer : No! None of us can imagine that. Because in 100 years they will be capable of unimaginable things!

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In 100 years, they will have become self aware and started down a path of total human annihilation. That's my theory anyway.

I wouldn't mind having a macbook pro or air, they're just too expensive for me right now.

BTW great video OP!

n0ct3m said:

PCs are vastly superior to Macs becase it's greatly easier to do gaming on them.

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But you're right, in a way. When it comes to gaming PCs are indeed far superior to Macs. No one could refute this statement.

Covart said:

??? I was quoting you. I think you have me confused with another's post.

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Sorry! Got too excited I guess.

Covart said:

So you have figured out how to beat the laws of physics and quantum mechanics? The only way to not deal with slowdown is if you have an SSD, with TRIM support of some kind (although I found through benchmarking my SSD over a year that OSX must have some sort of garbage collection built in to it.)

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

Covart said:

Let me ask you this, do you simply drag stuff to your trash can or do you have an app that looks for additional files associated to the program to ensure every file gets deleted? Do you have an app that looks for multiple copies of programs, audio or video files and deletes them? If you said yes to either of these, then you are conducting maintenance to conserve speed and help keep your hard drive from filling up.

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No and no. Just drag, drop and empty the trash.

I state again for the hard of thinking:

Without constant maintenance Windows will slowdown horrifically over time making the OS essentially unusable. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN TO MACS TO ANYWHERE NEAR THE SAME DEGREE.

For the casual, non-tech minded, non-gamer the choice is a no-brainer.

n0ct3m said:

In 100 years, they will have become self aware and started down a path of total human annihilation. That's my theory anyway.

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I wonder what happens once all humans have been eliminated and the conqueror of the humans erases us from all data banks to look like we never existed. Then 2000 years later a new computer child is born and grows up to ask his/her/its parents, "how did we come to be? Is there a God or something... did someone design us? We couldn't have just happened by accident, could be"?

To which his/her/its parents would reply, "well many believe that we were designed by 'the creator', but we believe we're just the result of natural evolution".

all were built to look like humans so that history does not need to be erased....or hidden.


built by building blocks of nano droids designed to look like and size of atoms.

dan330 said:

all were built to look like humans so that history does not need to be erased....or hidden.


built by building blocks of nano droids designed to look like and size of atoms.

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Sooo.......... you're on the design team?

Outlaw71 said:

If you think so. But parachute pants are just a fad for those who want everyone to THINK they can breakdance!!!

Bell bottoms NEVER NEED TO BE DEFRAGGED!!!!!

.... wait, what?

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Bells are better. As for guys in parachute pants, those guys absolutely need to be defragged. No, wait, you said defragged. I misread the word.

widehead said:

I've been using my macbook pro just shy of 2 years.

1. Boots just as fast as it did day one
2. never needs defragging
3. no antivirus software constantly requiring an update

The above 3 things alone make it a better proposition than a Windows based laptop for me.

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You get all of those benefits using any *Nix

androidisforporn said:

Why do people claim things, usually Apple products, bose, dyson, brokstoon, work better just because they own said device, and think that anyone going to take them as a credible source of imformation when they haven't used any other devices and spend hundreds or thousands on a device without doing simple research?

I use OS X in a VM on my PC so that I can use xCode. I hate OS X, I hate the green plus button, I hate the dock and how unintuitive it is compared to the windows smartbar, I hate having to close and application by righting clicking the dock, I hate how half you screen is taken up by menus and various strange GUI elements in simple programs, or how there is no maximize and you can only re-size a windows by its left corner so you're constantly suck wasting half of your screen. I hate how the menu items are always on the top, I hate having to press command instead of control like it is on any other modern OS. I hate how installing programs requires me to mount a compressed drive, then copy over the program, then unmount. How is that supposed to be easy for new users?

I can go on and on about how OS X doesn't work for me, and I'm sure that allot of people agree with me. So when you say *x* works better without any reasoning or logic as to how it does for you it just makes you look stupid.

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You do realize, that since Mac OS X is UNIX, you can change all of that, right?

Don't like the GUI? Easy, install Gnome/KDE/Xfce/etc.

Don't like key mappings? Change them. To whatever you like.

I have to give Mac OS a "win" here as far as customizing goes. You can do a whole lot of customizing, due to it's nature of being a UNIX.