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#76
sooper_droid12 said:
Go check out the DROID forum and the comments from those running the 2.1 ROM. And that ROM ain't even optimized for the DROID. They seem to be doing just fine ;) You forget that both the N1 and DROID have the best chipsets out there. To believe otherwise is foolish.
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Thats very true, im not saying that the droid cant handle it, it will handle it better than the other phones that are going to also get 2.1 (Magic, Behold, Hero, etc etc) but the Nexus handles it smoother and faster, thats a known fact. Theres no denying that if you used a nexus like crazy (live WP, multiple apps running, browsing the web, etc etc) and then did the same with the droid side by side youd be seeing the difference, you see the difference even when youre using them normally side by side.

I'm just saying that the nexus one is the better phone, and you can see the "betterness"
 
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#77
ItsBrad said:
Also someone said that none of this matters because its all an opinion...it's really not. It's a fact that the nexus one is better than the droid but droid users hate to say the word "better" and would rather say "similar" just how the iphone is "similar" to the droid or the nexus one is "similar" to the iphone or the droid is similar to the samsung moment, it's easy to just replace those similars with "better than".


Be real, enjoy your phones, theyre all decent! and 2010 will be a year of many amazing phones.

I dont mean any of this in a rude way, just trying to inspire realism.
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I know you don't mean to be rude, but implying that DROID owners are "butt hurt" and using profanity makes you come off as such. But what it comes right down to is that you can't expect everyone to have the same definition of "better" that you have. "Better" is a relative term.

Yeah, the N1 has a 1GHz processor which is "better" than the OMAP3 running in the DROID. How much better? There hasn't been an accurate quantifiable benchmark test between the two. What frustrates me is that many people (and supposed "tech-guru" writers) are merely comparing the clock speeds; oh yeah, 1GHz > 550MHz. That's like saying the MSM72xx at 528MHz should be comparable to the OMAP3430 @ 550MHz, but it obviously isn't. Again, "better" is a relative term. Yes, the Scorpion CPU is faster than the ARM Cortex-A8 in the OMAP, but by how much is unknown.

That being said, there are other areas in which "better" is relative. People like to bring up form-factor: Some like slab, some like keyboard. Neither is truly better than the other, except when it depends on user-preference. What's better? The N1 has a metal, all-weather metal casing. The DROID has better camera optics and speaker. The N1 has an nice OLED screen; the DROID has what's considered the market's best LCD screen. What's better? It's all relative. When it comes right down to it, I think what some are saying (including myself) is that the N1 wasn't sufficiently better to garner some of the praise, accolades or descriptions that it's received. To me, I still feel like the HTC HD2 is the sexiest piece of hardware out right now. But that's just me :)
 
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#78
jbrinkley said:
I knew there was a good reason to avoid this thread.
super, you miss the point. Here it is again in case you missed it

Look, there is a difference between Amazon selling a bunch of unlocked phones that most of the time DOESN'T EVEN WORK WITH ANY OF OUR INSANE 3G FREQUENCY vs Google or company like Apple selling unlocked phones. It's called "brand recognition". Nokia has tried, they failed because they did not strike a good balance between the current model in America and the overseas model. It is hard to change old habit overnight just with many other issues in this country. I want this Google/Nokia model to success in America because I am fairly sick and tired of getting tied down by any carriers. This is possibly the first unlocked phones in america that can create any sort of hype at all. Did Nokia N97 mini did that?? Not at all. I wish Apple would do the same as Google and people will realize that giving your life to a carrier is a mere stupidity.

google trying to change the way carriers do business.
isn't there a droid forum somewhere calling?
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Hey now, I think he made himself clear in the previous post that he does want this Google model to succeed. He is upset because of many quirks during this launch (eg: Email-based customer service, bugs, 1 carrier).

Another thing is that, we all can't afford civil war among Android users :eek: we all need to be united in the same cause just like those iPhone users :D
 
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sooper_droid12 said:
I know you don't mean to be rude, but implying that DROID owners are "butt hurt" and using profanity makes you come off as such. But what it comes right down to is that you can't expect everyone to have the same definition of "better" that you have. "Better" is a relative term.

Yeah, the N1 has a 1GHz processor which is "better" than the OMAP3 running in the DROID. How much better? There hasn't been an accurate quantifiable benchmark test between the two. What frustrates me is that many people (and supposed "tech-guru" writers) are merely comparing the clock speeds; oh yeah, 1GHz > 550MHz. That's like saying the MSM72xx at 528MHz should be comparable to the OMAP3430 @ 550MHz, but it obviously isn't. Again, "better" is a relative term. Yes, the Scorpion CPU is faster than the ARM Cortex-A8 in the OMAP, but by how much is unknown.

That being said, there are other areas in which "better" is relative. People like to bring up form-factor: Some like slab, some like keyboard. Neither is truly better than the other, except when it depends on user-preference. What's better? The N1 has a metal, all-weather metal casing. The DROID has better camera optics and speaker. The N1 has an nice OLED screen; the DROID has what's considered the market's best LCD screen. What's better? It's all relative. When it comes right down to it, I think what some are saying (including myself) is that the N1 wasn't sufficiently better to garner some of the praise, accolades or descriptions that it's received. To me, I still feel like the HTC HD2 is the sexiest piece of hardware out right now. But that's just me :)
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It's how i speak, and i apologize for the profanity, a lot of Droid owners are what id like to call "Butt hurt", you on the other hand are clearly just educated when it comes to phones so you've certainly proven yourself a realist. When it comes to looks that's completely an opinion i know. 1ghz...its better than 550mhz so no contest there although yes, the droid is not a slow pony. This is a bit tricky...id like to say AMOLED is the new thing and LCD's are worthless...but that is stepping into the realm of opinion i suppose, but my opinion is that AMOLED is Superior :D

We could go on forever comparing it..maybe we can ask the Obama administration to do a full investigation on which phone is better by the facts...but we cant. Either way i think android itself is incredibly promising, and i celebrate the fact that we have so many options (keyboard, amoled, no keyboard, different UI's, etc etc) when apple only has 1 option and they have to live with that option until they make the next option but for us android users we have new options coming out every few months, for some that's a drawback, for others that live in the "now" thats just perfect.
 
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#82
ItsBrad said:
Either way i think android itself is incredibly promising, and i celebrate the fact that we have so many options...
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Absolutely. Google is on the road to domination IMO. I guess we've been spoiled because Google has made SO FEW missteps. And it seemed that each iteration of Android was substantially better than the previous step. Like I said, I don't see why they couldn't have waited.

And I know someone responded, "Because they wanted the technology to be in people's hands NOW and not later," because some how it would be dated. But the Mobile World Congress is in mid-February. If Google was worried that the N1 would be dated by Feb. 18, then they shouldn't have deployed it to begin with. That being said, another month and a half might have been enough time to do a bit more QA/QC on the N1 (for example, the N1 ships with a busted kernel that, eventhough 512mb of RAM is on-board, only 190mb are user available; xda board said an updated kernel releases another 100-150mb to the user!), while also getting VZW on board (as it seems to be closer), and working out the customer service support.

Just 1.5 more months! Was that too much to ask? And how awesome would it have been to upstage Apple and Microsoft at the very same event?!
 
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#84
dmurdock said:
What would be a true game changer is if they came out with some new really advanced feature like being able to voice dial from a bluetooth headset.
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Adding features is easy... Remember iPhone comes without MMS/3G/Cut Paste/Apps.

One baby step in changing carriers and consumers' mindset in America where a locked phones with 2 years contract is a norm, that's a good step in the right direction
 
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#87
sooper_droid12 said:
Bluetooth voice dialing is a SIMPLE feature, not even a smartphone related feature.
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3G phones and MMS (and A2DP Stereo Bluetooth) were widely available when first iPhone launched.... I had a dumbphone with 3G and MMS back then before switching to iPhone.

Again, feature can be added fairly easily whereas business model that has been plagued this country for too long is not.

I wouldn't discredit the whole launch for something like bluetooth dialing. Look what iPhone did and I'm sure we, Android users want this platform to at least mimic the success of iPhone :)
 
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#88
sooper_droid12 said:
Yeah, the N1 has a 1GHz processor which is "better" than the OMAP3 running in the DROID. How much better? There hasn't been an accurate quantifiable benchmark test between the two. What frustrates me is that many people (and supposed "tech-guru" writers) are merely comparing the clock speeds; oh yeah, 1GHz > 550MHz. That's like saying the MSM72xx at 528MHz should be comparable to the OMAP3430 @ 550MHz, but it obviously isn't. Again, "better" is a relative term. Yes, the Scorpion CPU is faster than the ARM Cortex-A8 in the OMAP, but by how much is unknown.
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Here's your benchmarks: http://http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2010/01/nexus-one-review.ars/4

The short summary, the N1 wins.
 
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#90
dmurdock said:
What would be a true game changer is if they came out with some new really advanced feature like being able to voice dial from a bluetooth headset.
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Sadly the trend seems to be moving away from that. Look at the Pre it doesn't do it, Hero doesn't do it, couple other phones to I believe. This is a feature that's being left out on purpose. Why? I personally think manufactures are going to start drawing a line in the sand between personal smart phone and business smart phone.
 
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#91
ikon said:
Here's your benchmarks: http://http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2010/01/nexus-one-review.ars/4

The short summary, the N1 wins.
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Yeah, I saw that one. I want some more information:

1) Did any of the benchmarks require optimized drivers to perform?
2) Explanation for why devices with the same chipset performed differently (perhaps, related to #1)
3) How come some devices are left out of some of the graphs? Is it because they performed better? Much worse? Why not include the iPhone in the Linpack test?

We've all seen OpenGL benchmarks where the HTC HD2 gets smoked by the iPhone 3GS, running the same hardware as the N1. Optimized drivers for the benchmark allowed the HD2 to perform better, but still behind. Any time benchmarks are done on CPU/GPU performance, the question about drivers must always be discussed.

Even so, I am not doubting that the N1 is faster in benchmarks like the Linpack. In fact, the Linpack benchmark is a test that plays to the strengths of the Scorpion CPU as it is widely known to excel in integer performance.

Sunspider benchmark is a measure of performance of the webkit browser. We all know that the browser on 2.1 is greatly enhanced. So the differences you see on the browser are simply attributable to the 2.1 build. What's great about that benchmark is that it definitively shows that the 2.0.1 webkit browser is on-par with the iPhone Safari (also built on webkit). So, that should silence the iPhone fanboys about browser speed.

Google V8, again, Javascript. We all know it's optimized in the 2.1 build. So, when DROID gets 2.1, there will be improvements on its speed. What's really impressive is the Palm Pre in that test. With enhancements to WebOS for the Pre+ (coming to VZW), we will likely see the Palm Pre+ jump up in performance to being on par with the N1.

Dromaeo... where's the DROID? Why didn't they include that data? The last two web browsing benchmarks again, attributable to the better 2.1 browser build. So many things wrong with the benchmarks, but I am glad that there was a review written that actually includes benchmarks, no matter how incomplete they are.
 
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#92
i just sold my 3gs after getting my n1 and love it. my wife said no i like my iphone, well now its been a little over a week. and after shes been using my n1 a little, her iphone is now on ebay. and i never thought i would give up my iphone. there is just so much it can do that you cant learn after messing with it for a couple minutes.
 
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#93
sooper_droid12 said:
Yeah, I saw that one. I want some more information:

1) Did any of the benchmarks require optimized drivers to perform?
2) Explanation for why devices with the same chipset performed differently (perhaps, related to #1)
3) How come some devices are left out of some of the graphs? Is it because they performed better? Much worse? Why not include the iPhone in the Linpack test?

We've all seen OpenGL benchmarks where the HTC HD2 gets smoked by the iPhone 3GS, running the same hardware as the N1. Optimized drivers for the benchmark allowed the HD2 to perform better, but still behind. Any time benchmarks are done on CPU/GPU performance, the question about drivers must always be discussed.

Even so, I am not doubting that the N1 is faster in benchmarks like the Linpack. In fact, the Linpack benchmark is a test that plays to the strengths of the Scorpion CPU as it is widely known to excel in integer performance.

Sunspider benchmark is a measure of performance of the webkit browser. We all know that the browser on 2.1 is greatly enhanced. So the differences you see on the browser are simply attributable to the 2.1 build. What's great about that benchmark is that it definitively shows that the 2.0.1 webkit browser is on-par with the iPhone Safari (also built on webkit). So, that should silence the iPhone fanboys about browser speed.

Google V8, again, Javascript. We all know it's optimized in the 2.1 build. So, when DROID gets 2.1, there will be improvements on its speed. What's really impressive is the Palm Pre in that test. With enhancements to WebOS for the Pre+ (coming to VZW), we will likely see the Palm Pre+ jump up in performance to being on par with the N1.

Dromaeo... where's the DROID? Why didn't they include that data? The last two web browsing benchmarks again, attributable to the better 2.1 browser build. So many things wrong with the benchmarks, but I am glad that there was a review written that actually includes benchmarks, no matter how incomplete they are.
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Why are we fighting over which phone is the fastest?? GSM have no DROID equivalent in North America that conform to North America 3G until Telus released it in Canada (and we can import it)... Just imagine Nexus One as a slightly improved version of DROID for GSM.

We all use Android and we all need to work together to improve this platform instead of flaming each other. Just remember not everyone wants to switch to the dying CDMA standard and its incompatibility with the rest of the world just like some people won't switch to GSM standard due to VZW coverage.
 
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#94
Not fighting. Ikon posted the link as a definitive benchmark source. But that's so typical of N1 fanboys (or any fanboy for that matter) to post something like that without doing more research into what the tests are actually testing. That's why I said I want some ACCURATE benchmarks. Don't just post a link and say, "N1 FTW!" It's like the MOTO test for touchscreen accuracy. Someone wiggles their finger across the N1 screen and says it's not as straight as the iPhone, therefore "iPhone FTW!" But we all know it's bogus.
 
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#96
The Droid being 2.0 doesn't make it not accurate, it's not our fault the N1 came with 2.1, its just one of the current differences (that will change) so yeah when the Droid gets 2.1....the Nexus will still be faster, even if it was the most perfect accurate test in the world.

Its not that we shouldnt be fighting because we all have android...we shouldn't be fighting because theres nothing to argue, the nexus is faster it has a better and faster chip PERIOD, im not saying its worlds faster im not saying its technology that is way a head of the game, i and the rest of the world are simply saying the nexus is FASTER. It just so happens that when Nexus owners say the nexus is faster the Droid users always have to fight it or say they have similar speeds, alright...similar isn't the same...now is it?
 
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#97
ItsBrad said:
The Droid being 2.0 doesn't make it not accurate, it's not our fault the N1 came with 2.1, its just one of the current differences (that will change) so yeah when the Droid gets 2.1....the Nexus will still be faster, even if it was the most perfect accurate test in the world.

Its not that we shouldnt be fighting because we all have android...we shouldn't be fighting because theres nothing to argue, the nexus is faster it has a better and faster chip PERIOD, im not saying its worlds faster im not saying its technology that is way a head of the game, i and the rest of the world are simply saying the nexus is FASTER. It just so happens that when Nexus owners say the nexus is faster the Droid users always have to fight it or say they have similar speeds, alright...similar isn't the same...now is it?
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It's a winless battle. Every thread the guy posts in the Nexus One forum is him trying to discredit it, you can even check the DROID subforum where he reassures others of how inferior the N1 really is.

Competition is good, there will never be one best phone ever.
 
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