3dEvo: Pre-release miscellany

falconey · Jun 17, 2011

falconey said:
We are four days away from being able to order and I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. I can't wait to get this beast of a machine in my hands.

Anybody else have super tingling tastebuds for 3vo magic?

Putty said:
After all the latest reviews, i'm not as excited as I was. I'm getting now because I have $50 already into it and it's something newer than my 4G.

Meh, you get 30 days to try it out. I'm personally not worried. I can't wait for the dual core goodness, lol.

themuffinman75 · Jun 17, 2011

Personally I could give a damn about what the reviews are saying cause to be quite frank there are to many inconsistencies will all of them. Not to mention that the sensation is getting great reviews and the 3vo is basically the same phone with a larger battery and more ram. I think to much weight is applied to the phone being 3d capable and thats why the reviews suck. If they reviewed it based on everything it can do then the scores would probably be a lot higher. So with all that being said, I am just as excited if not more excited than ever before to get this phone. If there are issues with the phone I am sure they will update it very quickly and if not then I will simply get something else.

treven21 · Jun 17, 2011

DING DING DING!!!!!!! I'm with you!!!!!!!!

Can't wait for this mug to come out!!!!!

themuffinman75 said:
Personally I could give a damn about what the reviews are saying cause to be quite frank there are to many inconsistencies will all of them. Not to mention that the sensation is getting great reviews and the 3vo is basically the same phone with a larger battery and more ram. I think to much weight is applied to the phone being 3d capable and thats why the reviews suck. If they reviewed it based on everything it can do then the scores would probably be a lot higher. So with all that being said, I am just as excited if not more excited than ever before to get this phone. If there are issues with the phone I am sure they will update it very quickly and if not then I will simply get something else.

mrabraham87 · Jun 17, 2011

Sorry if this is in the wrong place... first time post. But did anyone else notice the port in credit being extended to 7/23/2011?

jcunwired · Jun 17, 2011

Halfbaked said:
I typically leave Bluetooth, 3G, 4G, WiFi, and GPS off. Stops apps from doing what they want if for some reason an app defaults to its original send/receive data schedule.

Edit: Oops, sorry mods, this is off topic, and has been beaten up. Feel free to remove this post if you like (I didn't read through the forum before replying).

I'm not sure this is a best practice for everyone, as you lose a great deal of the benefit of having an Android smartphone, and your phone will still use processing power (and battery) attempting to connect to the cloud. Sure, you can turn off sync and notification in every app, but that greatly diminishes the experience.

I adamantly manage my radios (battery savings), but I am always connected. When I leave home and lose wifi signal 3G kicks in. GPS and bluetooth are turned on as needed.

Don't give up that great smartphone experience, do yourself a favor and stay connected! Besides, turning screen brightness to about 30% will save a lot more battery than maintaining a constant wifi (or in-range 3G) signal.

No disrespect intended, manage your phone as you like, but I wouldn't want noobs to get the impression that this is a popular tactic.

jerofld · Jun 17, 2011

Why would that matter? It would only matter if it was extended to 6/25. Only SP members can get the phone on or before the 24th. If they're already SP members, how are they going to port in any numbers?

novox77 · Jun 17, 2011

jcunwired said:
Edit: Oops, sorry mods, this is off topic, and has been beaten up. Feel free to remove this post if you like (I didn't read through the forum before replying).

I'm not sure this is a best practice for everyone, as you lose a great deal of the benefit of having an Android smartphone, and your phone will still use processing power (and battery) attempting to connect to the cloud. Sure, you can turn off sync and notification in every app, but that greatly diminishes the experience.

I adamantly manage my radios (battery savings), but I am always connected. When I leave home and lose wifi signal 3G kicks in. GPS and bluetooth are turned on as needed.

Don't give up that great smartphone experience, do yourself a favor and stay connected! Besides, turning screen brightness to about 30% will save a lot more battery than maintaining a constant wifi (or in-range 3G) signal.

No disrespect intended, manage your phone as you like, but I wouldn't want noobs to get the impression that this is a popular tactic.

For users new to Android, I recommend your setup: wifi where possible, never let wifi sleep, and allow the phone to switch in and out of 3G depending on your remembered hotspot(s)' availability. GPS, 4G, and BT stay off until you need them.

Keeping everything off is fine too if you don't mind toggling on data radios as you need them. There are tons of toggle widgets on the Market to make this easy, although one should note it takes 5-10 seconds for a radio to be ready, so there is a bit of wait.

More advanced users (ones that know their usage patterns well and are willing to try to actively manage battery) can decide which radios to leave on or off. They can also use profile apps (like tasker) to schedule radio/cpu based on usage, location, time, etc.

Lots of tools at your disposal to make battery life very good for your own usage patterns, so this is the reason why I'm not concerned about reviewers' opinions about battery life. Their use case is not typical for me. It may of value for the majority of people who don't know what "radios" are and that they can be individually toggled. These are the people who will leave the out-of-the-box config and need to charge once a day or more.

It pays to be informed and not be ignorant. Universal truth. Not just for Android

NeoteriX · Jun 17, 2011

novox77 said:
GPS, 4G, and BT stay off until you need them.

My understanding is that leaving GPS "on" makes no difference in terms of battery life, as the GPS only actually draws power when being used by GPS app/software; so in other words, it's okay to leave GPS on and the device will use as needed (unless you have a badly coded app that gets stuck on GPS locating in the background, but you can always see that from the notification bar icon).

mrabraham87 · Jun 17, 2011

jerofld said:
Why would that matter? It would only matter if it was extended to 6/25. Only SP members can get the phone on or before the 24th. If they're already SP members, how are they going to port in any numbers?

7/23/2011 is almost a month after the evo 3d release. Wouldn't that allow new customers to buy the 3d on the launch date and still get the $125 credit without having to hassle with exchanges?

novox77 · Jun 17, 2011

NeoteriX said:
My understanding is that leaving GPS "on" makes no difference in terms of battery life, as the GPS only actually draws power when being used by GPS app/software; so in other words, it's okay to leave GPS on and the device will use as needed (unless you have a badly coded app that gets stuck on GPS locating in the background, but you can always see that from the notification bar icon).

Correct. For beginners who might not know what the notification icons are yet, I still recommend keeping GPS off. It gives you a feel for when it's needed, so you become more aware of when GPS is actually used (and thereby draining a ton of battery). Advanced users: leave GPS enabled; no problem.

On Sense, when you enable GPS, you get that compass emblem. Then, when you actually USE the GPS, the little radar icon appears. The compass just means location-based services are enabled; the radar means GPS is in use. Took me a while to make that distinction and to understand that the presence of the compass didn't mean I was using more power.

Thanks for the clarification.

sikclown · Jun 17, 2011

Span_Wolf said:
Question. I'm thinking of going into Sprint tomorrow and getting my week long temp phone that I won't open the box for (so I don't have to pay the restocking fee), so that I can get the new customer incentive before it expires, and then next week trading it in for my pre-ordered Evo3D. Do they have to set up the number and everything for me on the spot, or can I continue using my T-Mobile phone for a week until the E3D comes out next week? Also would my first month bill be the same if I start up this Friday vs next Friday, or will they charge me for that extra week?

Don't do it the port in credit has been extended to 7/23/2011

Port In Credit

sikclown · Jun 17, 2011

mrabraham87 said:
7/23/2011 is almost a month after the evo 3d release. Wouldn't that allow new customers to buy the 3d on the launch date and still get the $125 credit without having to hassle with exchanges?

Nice find. here is the link

Port In Credit

sikclown · Jun 17, 2011

For those of you looking to do something creative to get the credit and get the Evo 3d you no longer have to get creative. Sprint has extended the credit to 7/23/2011

Port In Credit

EarlyMon · Jun 17, 2011

jerofld said:
You could always jump into the SGS2 forum and ask. I'm sure there's at least 1 linux user there that could give you a straight answer. BTW, you have a Kingdom already? Hax.

How do think I got this far?

Being a mod, having my real-life credentials, all goes out the door when you ask questions like that with an Evo listed in your devices. Samsung fans tend to be one-way, and unless the question is sugar-coated, you get flamed. Yes - flamed, with a red name tag.

If you can succeed where I failed, please do, the info will be helpful.

And nope, I don't have a Kingdom. I even tried to ask WifelyMon if she wouldn't mind me trading her Shift for the upcoming Kingdom with the bigger screen, 50% faster processor, the ... As she looked at me, my tan increased and the paint around my shadow on the wall blistered a little - so it's not clear to me yet if I'll be able to pull that off or not.

I would disagree with the Linux being more elegant. It's more practical and Windows does it more elegantly. Maybe because I'm a long term Windows user that is just getting into Linux.

We're talking about filesystems. The last sentence is correct - sorry to be blunt, but it is what it is. Try following symbolic links in Windows via software, not the mouse. You can't - symbolic links in Windows can't get the same name as a real directory path - the links are appended with the suffix: .lnk for link. (If they've fixed this, I'd be wrong - but after being disgusted by it, I've stopped checking for fixes to that.) Paths with links are not the same as hard paths in Windows. They copied what the feature looked like, not how it works. Take working code written for one drive, then distribute its pieces across multiple drives without modifying anything or having to resort to extra code for drive lookups (or dear god using registry entries) - you can't. Check the man page for ln - note there are symbolic links and hard links in Linux - Windows has no clue about the other kind at all. And Windows use of the backslash for directory path separation isn't simply different from the Unix way of using slashes - it's flatly wrong and is a holdover from DOS.

Unix has a much more elegant set of filesystem rules than Windows if for no other reason than it is complete.

Same thing on lots of infrastructure elements, such as networking. Our company builds industrial software, cross-platform for various Unices and Windows. Complex UDP transport operations for interprocess data sharing that run for days on end on Unix won't on Windows and can't - the window manager actually breaks those transactions if given time, so that all has to be re-coded to use non-transportable Windows shared memory.

It's a big list of things that Windows may seem do, but doesn't do correctly or elegantly at all.

More people eat Micky D's burgers than any other kind, but it doesn't make 'em better at all.

PS - The final bit of full flexibility in achieving full and total memory flexibility and fooling the OS into using internal memory and SD card memory at the same time and just calling it /sdcard fails because - the primary partition on the SD card is FAT32 (Windows file system).

Emmexx · Jun 17, 2011

Span_Wolf said:
Crap so the best idea then would be to wait till Thursday of next week. Is what the poster above said true, do you really HAVE to activate in the store no matter what? And I have 72hrs from my account activation to get the port in credit, and that 72hrs extends beyond the 24th as long as I started my new account before then right?

Also I was just wondering if I started a new plan towards the end of the month would I be charged the full price for a month of phone insurance, international calling, etc, or some pro-rated amount?

I actually did this the first week on June

Technically what happens is that they begin the process of porting your number over to Sprint. They get all of your current carrier information, set up your Sprint account and give you the phone. They do not turn it on at the store. The Sprint rep told me this is becuase the information has yet to be sent to the phone. She told me it takes anywhere from 10 minutes to 48 hours for this to occur. That is quite a big difference, but there it is.

I was given instructions, explicit instructions, to not open the box until my phone no longer made calls. It would be only then that the service transferred my number over to Sprint. She said failure to wait until that happened could result in the phone never recognizing the new number and connecting properly to the Sprint network.

I had a lawn to mow so I figured what the heck and just went home with both phones. Just as I had gotten the mower out and was ready to go, I checked my previous phone's signal and nothing. So, I pulled out my new phone and it went through recognition and has worked beautifully ever since.

Long story short, if you are porting over and don't need the phone for that time frame, I suggest doing it the day before, getting the port-in(don't forget to go online and do this!) and just never unbox the phone. That may save you the re-stocking fee.

NSXLA · Jun 17, 2011

novox77 said:
Correct. For beginners who might not know what the notification icons are yet, I still recommend keeping GPS off. It gives you a feel for when it's needed, so you become more aware of when GPS is actually used (and thereby draining a ton of battery). Advanced users: leave GPS enabled; no problem.

On Sense, when you enable GPS, you get that compass emblem. Then, when you actually USE the GPS, the little radar icon appears. The compass just means location-based services are enabled; the radar means GPS is in use. Took me a while to make that distinction and to understand that the presence of the compass didn't mean I was using more power.

Thanks for the clarification.

But novox77 Doesn't the GPS assist pinpointing your location if you had to dial 911? Or is that done by radio towers ONLY

IoriYagami · Jun 17, 2011

falconey said:
We are four days away from being able to order and I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. I can't wait to get this beast of a machine in my hands.

Anybody else have super tingling tastebuds for 3vo magic?

Im with you man, i been waiting since march.. :eek:

like a #$% kid waiting the day you could open your gifts, the anxiety its been killing me all over this time.
If anything i get to work the 24th at 12 noon, so i have plenty of time to get in to the store to pick up mine and the weekend im off..

YAY it couldn't be more convenient for me, all weekend off to play with my 3vo toy!! :cool:

P.S. Personally i dont care what the Engadget say he just did test the 3D feature and for reals C`MON that person doesnt even know whats going on with the phone and clearly iphone lover.. iugh im really disappointed of some (self proclaimed geeks cell phone reviewer like the one whom did the 3vo review from Engadget, we should trap him and give him a lesson :mad:

)

LOL

but he really did make me mad at the time i was checking the review.

novox77 · Jun 17, 2011

NSXLA said:
But novox77 Doesn't the GPS assist pinpointing your location if you had to dial 911? Or is that done by radio towers ONLY

I'm not 100% certain since I've never dialed 911 from my phone, but my assumption is the OS is programmed to enter a special emergency mode where the GPS radio is automatically turned on to get your location. It's an emergency, so your battery life becomes secondary

GPS satellite trilateration is the most accurate location info your phone can provide, so I would assume this would be the primary method of sending your location to first responders.

But if the GPS can't get a lock on enough satellites, the aGPS kicks in. It uses the cell towers to calculate your location, which will be not as accurate but still better than nothing.

jerofld · Jun 17, 2011

EarlyMon said:
How do think I got this far? Being a mod, having my real-life credentials, all goes out the door when you ask questions like that with an Evo listed in your devices. Samsung fans tend to be one-way, and unless the question is sugar-coated, you get flamed. Yes - flamed, with a red name tag. If you can succeed where I failed, please do, the info will be helpful.

And nope, I don't have a Kingdom. I even tried to ask WifelyMon if she wouldn't mind me trading her Shift for the upcoming Kingdom with the bigger screen, 50% faster processor, the ... As she looked at me, my tan increased and the paint around my shadow on the wall blistered a little - so it's not clear to me yet if I'll be able to pull that off or not.

We're talking about filesystems. The last sentence is correct - sorry to be blunt, but it is what it is. Try following symbolic links in Windows via software, not the mouse. You can't - symbolic links in Windows can't get the same name as a real directory path - the links are appended with the suffix: .lnk for link. (If they've fixed this, I'd be wrong - but after being disgusted by it, I've stopped checking for fixes to that.) Paths with links are not the same as hard paths in Windows. They copied what the feature looked like, not how it works. Take working code written for one drive, then distribute its pieces across multiple drives without modifying anything or having to resort to extra code for drive lookups (or dear god using registry entries) - you can't. Check the man page for ln - note there are symbolic links and hard links in Linux - Windows has no clue about the other kind at all. And Windows use of the backslash for directory path separation isn't simply different from the Unix way of using slashes - it's flatly wrong and is a holdover from DOS.

Unix has a much more elegant set of filesystem rules than Windows if for no other reason than it is complete.

Same thing on lots of infrastructure elements, such as networking. Our company builds industrial software, cross-platform for various Unices and Windows. Complex UDP transport operations for interprocess data sharing that run for days on end on Unix won't on Windows and can't - the window manager actually breaks those transactions if given time, so that all has to be re-coded to use non-transportable Windows shared memory.

It's a big list of things that Windows may seem do, but doesn't do correctly or elegantly at all.

More people eat Micky D's burgers than any other kind, but it doesn't make 'em better at all.

PS - The final bit of full flexibility in achieving full and total memory flexibility and fooling the OS into using internal memory and SD card memory at the same time and just calling it /sdcard fails because - the primary partition on the SD card is FAT32 (Windows file system).

I'll look into asking about ROM space in the SGS2 forums when I get home. Probably would be best to take the Droid X off my device list, then.

And you were discussing a deeper level of the file system than I was. I apologize for my ignorance on that subject. But no, .lnk extensions still work that way and the registry is still a huge steaming pile. I was more referencing what the end user sees. If I plug my SD card into my SD card reader, it's a new drive that is clearly separated.

As for the SD card, there's no way Google could avoid using FAT. Honestly, I was surprised when I first saw it used FAT, but then I realized that these devices go into Mass Storage Mode. Windows would have a hissy fit if it wasn't a file format it could read.

jerofld · Jun 17, 2011

mrabraham87 said:
7/23/2011 is almost a month after the evo 3d release. Wouldn't that allow new customers to buy the 3d on the launch date and still get the $125 credit without having to hassle with exchanges?

Yeah, I failed. I read it as 6/23 and not 7/23.

EarlyMon · Jun 17, 2011

jerofld said:
And you were discussing a deeper level of the file system than I was. I apologize for my ignorance on that subject. But no, .lnk extensions still work that way and the registry is still a huge steaming pile. I was more referencing what the end user sees.

No need to apologize for ignorance on anything - I've got plenty and I don't apologize.

I wasn't trying to whack you, just focusing on the same thing - what the end user sees. That's dictated by the programming and that's dictated by the operating system intricacies.

All of these things we see as users trying to figure out how to get the most of our devices. Never wanted to start a Windows war or offend - never my intent.

Halfbaked · Jun 17, 2011

Everytime you guys say 3VO, I think I tinkle myself. Opps, there it goes again. Can't wait until 24 June.

toad6386 · Jun 17, 2011

Halfbaked said:
Everytime you guys say 3VO, I think I tinkle myself. Opps, there it goes again. Can't wait until 24 June.

Let's turn Halfbaked into a sprinkler!:3VO 3VO 3VO 3VO 3VO wapwapwap 3VO 3VO 3VO 3VO 3VO!

There have been so many good posts today, my index finger is getting cramped clicking the "thanks" button! Thanks guys! 7 days and counting! Muaaahahahaha!

Halfbaked · Jun 17, 2011

I'm going to see Green Lantern tonight in 3D. I watched the Preist in 3D and my eyes did get tired. Lets try it again tonight.

Span_Wolf · Jun 17, 2011

Hurray, no finagling about for the port in credit!

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