Picture quality analysis (2D)

linzgeneral · Jul 1, 2011

flyjbaker said:
I am in the dissenting camp! My pics from the 3D compared to the 4G are horrible. The 3D has a yellowish/greenish tint when shooting in blasting sunlight. The 4G does a LOT better in direct sunlight. I will admit that the 3D does better in low light but they are both horrible. I expect a camera phone to be able to perform in direct sunlight. I don't expect it to perform in low light. I will likely be returning my 3D because of this. I have done a lot of side by side comparisons and the 4G kicks the 3Ds ass. I will admit that the 3D is more consistent. But it is consistent crap. Whereas the 4G mostly nails the pic in good light but sometimes it blows it. The 3D looks like pics from cellphones from years ago. I just can't go backward that far. Maybe something is wrong with my phone...

Nothing wrong with your phone. I feel exacty the dame way. The EVO
Shift's 5mg camera is by far better and much sharper than the 3d's - my wife has one. I have taken at least 60 pics and not one leaves me optimistic. They all seem to be not very sharp and dark, kind of lack color too. That being said the video seems prettyh good and the 3D capabilities offset the downgrade in 2D camera.

flyjbaker · Jul 2, 2011

DSLRs are capable of shooting "raw"...meaning they will record each pixel exactly as the camera sees it. Each pixel is "native". A .jpeg image is compressed....in short, the camera actually "edits" the picture into what it "thinks" you are trying to capture. Pixels become intertwined and are not native...they actually get "smeared" together. What does this processing/editing is the jpeg engine within the camera. I believe that is what is failing us here...a poor jpeg engine.

Anyway, I can take picture off of my 4G and put it onto my computer and edit it into a truly printable photograph worth framing. The pictures from my 3D do not have enough quality to begin with...and once you start editing a poor picture, it usually gets worse.

On a related note, read about the camera they are putting into the My Touch 4G. Would be nice if HTC spreads this across all future lines of their phones....assuming the actual camera bits work well.

novox77 · Jul 2, 2011

I would agree that the green tint problem is likely a camera post-process problem for some subset of Evo3Ds. The focus problem could be a hardware issue. My Evo 4G appears to suffer from it (all E4G photos in my OPs are out of focus).

This morning, I tried to reproduce the green tint problem you guys have referenced but couldn't. So I think it's only affecting some percentage of E3D owners. Here are three pics I took under direct sunlight:

The flipflop shot looked fine. Red is slightly pink, but that may be due to a slight over exposure. In the street shot, the grass looks a little saturated. In the flower shot, the flowers are washed out a bit, but that's due to the high contrast range (poor choice of subject in direct sunlight).

Focus was fine. I don't see any green blotchy tinting. If the camera is important to you (as it is to me), I would definitely try an exchange to see if you can get one that takes better pics.

flyjbaker · Jul 2, 2011

novox77 said:
Focus was fine. I don't see any green blotchy tinting. If the camera is important to you (as it is to me), I would definitely try an exchange to see if you can get one that takes better pics.

Yep, I will probably do that to see if that will fix it. A lot of folks complained about the 4G camera. I thought it did quite well as long as there was plenty of light. Like I said, you are never going to get good low light performance out of a camera phone...although some will perform better than others. It is the pics in good light that should shine. Anyway, like you said, the 2D picture shooting is very important to me. I am an amateur photographer and it is awfully nice to always have a camera in your pocket that doubles as a phone...

Thanks Novox for taking the time to post up a good comparison!!!

rickthestick · Jul 2, 2011

I have no problem with the resolution of the camera, I think it does very well. It's just the green problem that makes me crazy. Indoors and shaded pictures are outstanding. Oh, and did I mention the macro capabilities are amazing. I will include some examples here. The flower is yellow. The other shots are dirt, not grass, this is Arizona...

novox77 · Jul 2, 2011

rickthestick said:
I have no problem with the resolution of the camera, I think it does very well. It's just the green problem that makes me crazy. Indoors and shaded pictures are outstanding. Oh, and did I mention the macro capabilities are amazing. I will include some examples here. The flower is yellow. The other shots are dirt, not grass, this is Arizona...

Wow.... that is really green. Definitely a defect.

rickthestick · Jul 3, 2011

I'm trying to figure out if its hardware or software. That's why I keep asking people to shoot a few shots in bright sunlight to see how many others have this issue. The only other person I know also has this going on.

ImpulsebuyerNy · Jul 3, 2011

I have to add to the Green issue! It seems like its starting to condense down to those taking shots in extreme light which is throwing off something in some 3Ds (non-tech answer here lol)

Hers is my contribution - granted after i saw this pic i brought the phone back to RS and got a brand new one only to see the reps 3D was also showing green right off the display w.o even taking a pic - a yellow bag on the counter was looking green just like the yellow flower pic above - very strange issues here -

Anyway havent really seen much green on my 2nd 3D but again havent had the chance to take good shots yet but will def be doing so tomorrow the 4th - will post back!

Also here is the cross reference link to the other forums discussing this very issue for anyone following, one user on the 3rd page has some serious green in his beach shots as well (look at the sand!!)

My personal theory is this is something you should be able spot w.o even having to take a pic as my first 3D had it on the display right away than auto-focused and it went away only to come back after the shot was taken, also the 3D camera was effected as well with low light 3D shots esp in the background!!!

http://forum.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=1056434&posted=1#post1056434

JMac202 · Jul 3, 2011

Please see samples at - http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-3d/368106-evo-3d-optics-really-subpar.html#post2906516

EarlyMon · Jul 3, 2011

ImpulsebuyerNy said:
Also here is the cross reference link to the other forums discussing this very issue for anyone following, one user on the 3rd page has some serious green in his beach shots as well (look at the sand!!)

Not sure if saw a few posts up?

http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-3d/362863-picture-quality-analysis-2d.html#post2903735

thomasanderson · Jul 3, 2011

Another issue with the camera that was discovered in a youtube review is taking pictures of black objects up very close(I dont know if flash on/off matters) locks up the camera app. Is anyone else able to produce this issue?

ImpulsebuyerNy · Jul 4, 2011

Here is a better response from HTC - They are now admitting they can replicate the problem and are working on it - possible OTA ...making progress! I think now on my 2nd Evo 3D (brand new replacement i am still getting a light green tint so this is def ongoing, ironically it only happens in certain conditions tho (which i am having a hard time pinpointing)

HTC RESPONSE (after i replied and explained that factory resets were not solving the problem)

You have 2 issues.
The Green Hornet movie is currently unavailable. HTC is currently working to resolve the issue.
I have seen a number of other customers with the green tint in pictures on the phone. I have forwarded this issue to our research and engineering department and they are investigating the issue. I have also been able to replicate the issue on one of our test phones. This issue will also likely be resolved with an update. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

fattank · Jul 4, 2011

Here are some shots taken with the Nov 2009 HTC Leo. It's mid 2011, and the camera on the 3D appears far worse. Settings were identical between the two (the HD2 was running stock Desire HD ROM and has a 5mp camera).

3VO:

HD2:

3VO:

3VO is blurrier, grainier, colors are wrong. The HD2 has worse optics than most phones, I hear. That puts the 3VO at the very bottom of the barrel here. What am I doing wrong?

ImpulsebuyerNy · Jul 4, 2011

So here is an example of a phenomenal picture taken this evening, only this is a double edged sword, being the Evo 3D automatically decides how to take the picture based on the conditions i think that maybe the start of the problems

All my pictures tonight (minus attached) all of fireworks and night scenes all came out green-ish, AND new issue, video recording is also HIGHLY effected by the green - I am officially frustrated but amazed at how this phone can take one random great shot and leave the rest including video green tinted :mad:

**pic is a tad blurry bc i had it zoomed in half one on the meter, but the colors are spot on!**

lafester · Jul 4, 2011

I have found that taking pictures of a moving object (like my dog) is pretty much impossible because of shutter lag. anyone else?

atg284 · Jul 4, 2011

Here are some 4th of July 2D videos I took with my 3VO for whatever they are worth

YouTube - ‪2d video on EVO3D‬&rlm;

And now for some artillery (not really but still very big)

YouTube - ‪Artillery at grandma's house

Happy 4th everyone!!!!

NeoteriX · Jul 4, 2011

...has anyone else noticed the "Auto Enhance" option in the settings? It seems to be turned on by default.

Anyone have thoughts on whether this feature is actually useful or not?

Then, to make things more complicated there's actually a separate "Auto Enhance" feature in the HTC gallery app. It looks like it does auto levels (perhaps more).

novox77 · Jul 5, 2011

NeoteriX said:
...has anyone else noticed the "Auto Enhance" option in the settings? It seems to be turned on by default.

It appears only in 2D mode. Based on my tests, I can't discern the difference between two shots where the only difference is that setting.

Others should test this too, especially those having camera issues.

linzgeneral · Jul 5, 2011

rickthestick said:
I'm trying to figure out if its hardware or software. That's why I keep asking people to shoot a few shots in bright sunlight to see how many others have this issue. The only other person I know also has this going on.

Saw`the green today for the first time. It was in daylight.

flyjbaker · Jul 5, 2011

I think it is the most prevalent in direct sunlight. I think it might be a metering issue(along with a poor jpeg engine). It is almost like the sensor overdoses on light and then goes into some sort of filter mode. Anyway, I am having a hard time believing this is a software issue that can be corrected by an update but I hope for everyone's sake it is. And for those that say, "This is a phone and not a camera!"....I hear ya but we have been living with much better camera phones and this is a step back in my opinion. Like the above poster mentioned, his 3 year old phone takes better pictures than the 3vo. My 4G takes better pictures than the 3vo.

Anyway, I will uncheck the "auto enhance" feature and then go take pictures in direct sunlight....

EarlyMon · Jul 6, 2011

As seen on Phandroid - HTC EVO 3D vs HTC EVO 4G 2D Camera Comparison [Forum Talk]

you2 · Jul 6, 2011

Does that just repeat the information in the thread ?

EarlyMon said:
As seen on Phandroid - HTC EVO 3D vs HTC EVO 4G 2D Camera Comparison [Forum Talk]

novox77 · Jul 6, 2011

you2 said:
Does that just repeat the information in the thread ?

Yes, the phandroid article used this thread exclusively for its information. Us regulars aren't going to learn anything new from it, but for people who subscribe to phandroid news feeds, this might be the first time they've gotten this info.

wake69 · Jul 6, 2011

EarlyMon said:
As seen on Phandroid - HTC EVO 3D vs HTC EVO 4G 2D Camera Comparison [Forum Talk]

novox quoted again! Were you correctly represented this time?

ImpulsebuyerNy · Jul 7, 2011

I dont know if anyone saw but HTC has recognized there is a problem by being able to replicate the problem on there end on a company 3D phone -

Engineers are looking into the problem and hopefully sooner than later we will have an OTA for that and other issues -

Interestingly enough it also effects the video camera in low light settings as well which is not a good thing either! :mad:

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