Root ETA on rooting?

aostang · Jul 29, 2011

bmar29 said:
Nobody knows whether the bootloader will be unlocked on the Bionic yet. If it's unlocked then rooting the BIonic will do nothing for droid 3 users

A valid point, but I have no faith in Motorola providing unlocks before near year-end, and they can still use the loophole that Verizon doesn't want it so that they don't have to provide it. This isn't a thread to discuss that, though.

imnotmikal · Jul 29, 2011

Kevmueller said:
Yes I think you will see the D3 rooted. However I do not know of a device that has been rooted on Gingerbread yet. I have a DX (my son has the D3 so I am watching this for him) the only way to root Gingerbread is to be on FroYo and install a pre-rooted version on Gingerbread. No one has come out with a way to root Gingerbread once you are on it if you are not installing the pre-rooted version. The rooting is done on the install. I agree though as more phone are shipped with Gingerbread on it someone will find a way to root it.

2.3.3 can be rooted after installation. (Gingerbreak, others)
2.3.4 is the one that can't be, but both are Gingerbread

If I recall correctly, the Nexus S is running 2.3.4 as well, and has been rooted, however it has an unlockable bootloader. In theory, we might be able to use the Nexus S root method once our bootloaders are unlocked (if...)

aostang · Jul 30, 2011

Not all 2.3.3 Androids can be rooted post-install. The fix for the loopholes came somewhere "during" 2.3.3.x, i.e. certain build numbers.

The Nexus root may be possible if we get an unlock. We're more likely to see root through 2.3.4 before that happens, though.

Kevmueller · Aug 2, 2011

imnotmikal said:
2.3.3 can be rooted after installation. (Gingerbreak, others)
2.3.4 is the one that can't be, but both are Gingerbread

If I recall correctly, the Nexus S is running 2.3.4 as well, and has been rooted, however it has an unlockable bootloader. In theory, we might be able to use the Nexus S root method once our bootloaders are unlocked (if...)

Droid X is still on 2.3.3 and has not been rooted yet. No one is really trying however since all you have to do is SBF back to 2.2 and then install a rooted version of Gingerbread, but the X is still on 2.3.3. The loophole to use Gingerbreak was closed after either the first or second leaked version for the X.

Shoop_Da_Woop · Aug 2, 2011

So I just received my Droid 3 in the mail, hooked it up and tried to root the little bitch. I'm thinking I used the wrong update because the touch input is no longer working. Any advice?

aostang · Aug 2, 2011

If you permanently screwed the firmware up I'd be surprised. A hard reset should fix whatever you did.

Frisco · Aug 3, 2011

Shoop_Da_Woop said:
So I just received my Droid 3 in the mail, hooked it up and tried to root the little bitch. I'm thinking I used the wrong update because the touch input is no longer working. Any advice?

I admire your pioneering effort.

But it does appear that a factory data reset would be the only remedy.

WebKat · Aug 15, 2011

I don't think I'll be installing any custom ROMs on this one like I did with my Droid, but I would like to remove the "crapplets" as my mother calls them (the bloatware) and take screenshots without having to hook the camera up to the computer. Oh, and Titanium Backup. I'd like to use that again.

Other than those few things I'm more or less satisfied with the stock phone.

I have a question about rooting and OTA updates, however. Once you're rooted, do you no longer get the OTA updates? Or is that just if you install a ROM? Because I still want to be on the latest and greatest as it comes out... (though my husband has the Droid 3 as well and doesn't want to root, so maybe I could find a way to snag the update from him before he installs it? Is that possible to snag from an unrooted phone?)

Frisco · Aug 15, 2011

It's funny about OTA updates across Android devices.. we've seen some rooted devices get the updates, some updates even removing root once the OTA was installed. And some not able to receive an OTA unless the device is returned to stock.

The dev/expert/geeky types will explain why, I'm sure.

aostang · Aug 15, 2011

Frisco said:
It's funny about OTA updates across Android devices.. we've seen some rooted devices get the updates, some updates even removing root once the OTA was installed. And some not able to receive an OTA unless the device is returned to stock.

The dev/expert/geeky types will explain why, I'm sure.

If you are running a custom ROM, you will not get OTA updates. If you are running a leaked stock update, you will only get OTA updates if the version of the leaked ROM ends up being the exact same version number of an official OTA update. When a leaked stock update version doesn't match one that went OTA, your phone won't be seen as needing an update because there are dependencies going from OTA to the next OTA. If every file doesn't line up with the proper checksum, no OTA can be performed even if you receive the update.

WebKat · Aug 15, 2011

aostang said:
If you are running a custom ROM, you will not get OTA updates. If you are running a leaked stock update, you will only get OTA updates if the version of the leaked ROM ends up being the exact same version number of an official OTA update. When a leaked stock update version doesn't match one that went OTA, your phone won't be seen as needing an update because there are dependencies going from OTA to the next OTA. If every file doesn't line up with the proper checksum, no OTA can be performed even if you receive the update.

What about if you don't install any ROM, you just root the phone? Will you get the OTAs?

Frisco · Aug 15, 2011

OpalCat said:
What about if you don't install any ROM, you just root the phone? Will you get the OTAs?

I did on my Fascinate. I rooted to get rid of bloatware apps, but left in everything related to Google/Gmail, etc. Never flashed a ROM.

OTAs came and installed fine, not touching my root either.

Not the Droid 3, but I'm thinking the situation would be the same. Again, we'll hear from those who know for sure.

aostang · Aug 15, 2011

OpalCat said:
What about if you don't install any ROM, you just root the phone? Will you get the OTAs?

Yes, you will. The system files themselves don't get changed and your version number stays the same. The OTA update will fail if you've removed any of the bloatware, though. You need to make sure to put it back before allowing the OTA update to happen, otherwise it will fail and could potentially brick your phone. With us not having an SBF to restore with yet, that's a very bad thing because there's no way to recover it right now if that happens.

aostang · Aug 15, 2011

Frisco said:
OTAs came and installed fine, not touching my root either.

All of Motorola's OTAs have removed root when they install. You need to either re-root (if still possible) or not accept the OTA update and wait for a dev to release an installable pre-rooted update or pre-rooted SBF.

elkaholic · Aug 16, 2011

I am getting the Droid 3 soon, Finnaly up grading from my Droid OG. I rooted my original Droid to use the WIFI teather, I use that every day. I am wondering how long I have to live W/O WIFI teather I think its total BS that we cant do that from the get go. what ya all think?

Frisco · Aug 16, 2011

aostang said:
All of Motorola's OTAs have removed root when they install. You need to either re-root (if still possible) or not accept the OTA update and wait for a dev to release an installable pre-rooted update or pre-rooted SBF.

That's Motorola for you. :rolleyes:

But I'm not going to get too mad about it.. as is said by many D3 owners in here, the thing really is fine as is, stock.

But, yes, I miss the root tweaking, etc. After two years of doing that, beginning with my old Eris, I finally got used to a sort of routine on what to do as soon as the device was rooted.

Fooled around with overclocking on the Eris, but I see no reason to do that with this thing.

aostang · Aug 26, 2011

Frisco said:
That's Motorola for you.

But I'm not going to get too mad about it.. as is said by many D3 owners in here, the thing really is fine as is, stock.

But, yes, I miss the root tweaking, etc. After two years of doing that, beginning with my old Eris, I finally got used to a sort of routine on what to do as soon as the device was rooted.

Fooled around with overclocking on the Eris, but I see no reason to do that with this thing.

You realize we've gained root now, right?

imnotmikal · Aug 26, 2011

aostang said:
You realize we've gained root now, right?

You realize that post is from ten days ago, right?

aostang · Aug 26, 2011

imnotmikal said:
You realize that post is from ten days ago, right?

Wow that's the third time that's bitten me since yesterday. For some reason I'm getting 7-10 day old emails again in my inbox on my Gmail account since mid-day yesterday.

Frisco · Aug 26, 2011

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