Gingerbread 2.3 was here, then gone, now it's back

jamala00 · Aug 18, 2011

I'm reading and trying to decifer this talk about the OTA ROM.. I am a bit confused... So is is really a ROM of the OTA and was it put out by a trusted source? I see some have installed it and other seem to say it isn't a lagit ROM for a lagit source... I think from what I am reading I'll just wait for the OTA to hit. I guess I should say, give it a little bit of time or go back to CM7 or maybe try Nils...

jeffgman · Aug 18, 2011

jamala00 said:
I'm reading and trying to decifer this talk about the OTA ROM.. I am a bit confused... So is is really a ROM of the OTA and was it put out by a trusted source? I see some have installed it and other seem to say it isn't a lagit ROM for a lagit source... I think from what I am reading I'll just wait for the OTA to hit. I guess I should say, give it a little bit of time or go back to CM7 or maybe try Nils...

A couple of devs over at XDA were given either the OTA or the RUU of Gingerbread for the Incredible. They were told to only make an installable rom and not give out the radio that was included. They have created the rom and a few people have installed it (including me) and have had no problems. Evan, who says he is from Verizon, is trying to tell everybody that the rom is a leaked EVO rom that was hacked to work on our Incredible's. I don't personally think that is the case. The firmware number matches the firmware number on the Verizon PDF file, but I am sure you can make that say anything you want.

Evan2ac · Aug 18, 2011

jamala00 said:
I'm reading and trying to decifer this talk about the OTA ROM.. I am a bit confused... So is is really a ROM of the OTA and was it put out by a trusted source? I see some have installed it and other seem to say it isn't a lagit ROM for a lagit source... I think from what I am reading I'll just wait for the OTA to hit. I guess I should say, give it a little bit of time or go back to CM7 or maybe try Nils...

and you will be making the correct decision. Stock OTA ROMs directly from Verizon have been proven time and time again to be the most stable and reliable. Sure there will be bloatware but you can root in the future and remove it.

jeffgman · Aug 18, 2011

Evan2ac said:
and you will be making the correct decision. Stock OTA ROMs directly from Verizon have been proven time and time again to be the most stable and reliable. Sure there will be bloatware but you can root in the future and remove it.

That is only assuming a root exploit will be found that will allow us to root. If not, then we will not be able to root and will not be able to remove the bloatware.

Jeff

NightAngel79 · Aug 18, 2011

Evan2ac said:
and you will be making the correct decision. Stock OTA ROMs directly from Verizon have been proven time and time again to be the most stable and reliable. Sure there will be bloatware but you can root in the future and remove it.

And you may well be right in saying that, however, we will not be putting down anyone who chooses to install the leaked ROM, or the developers who work their tail off

I admit that I will be waiting for the OTA as well, though that is more of a lazy thing than anything else. Once the devs get their hands on the final build of ota and make it better then I will be ready to root and go custom (most likely)

Until then I will be patient.

Btw; any more utterly useless posts will be deleted, including senseless arguing about off topic subjects. This thread is about the GB update for the Incredible (the original Inc

)

jeffgman said:
That is only assuming a root exploit will be found that will allow us to root. If not, then we will not be able to root and will not be able to remove the bloatware.

Jeff

Their will be root for our phones. We have much too big of a following for me to believe that we won't

jeffgman said:
Isn't Evo only available on Sprint? If so, why would this rom also have all of the Verizon apps pre-installed? There is no way this is an Evo based rom that was never intended for the Incredible.

Jeff

This also

Exactly

jamala00 · Aug 18, 2011

Thanks for the clarification guys... I have been following this thread for a while.. It's been pretty interesting to say the least

... If HTC and Verizon had this OTA ready and a PDF for the plan of the release, I am sure they are still planning on the release. Would be nice to get some new dates, but as a developer myself.. (Web not smart phone)... I know what giving somebody deadlines means...

LOL...

iowabowtech · Aug 18, 2011

Expecting root is a dice roll IMO. There will be no rolling back to root either as the bootloader is being updated with the OTA.

NightAngel79 · Aug 18, 2011

iowabowtech said:
Expecting root is a dice roll IMO. There will be no rolling back to root either as the bootloader is being updated with the OTA.

True, and I haven't been keeping up with how much trouble our EVO brethren are having. I simply refuse to believe that they won't find a way to root GB on the Inc.

If I'm feeling froggy then I might as well root, then just install the ota as a rom and go from there. My upgrade has been available since June but I'm still completely happy with Inc and so far nothing is enticing me away

euph_22 · Aug 18, 2011

jamala00 said:
I'm reading and trying to decifer this talk about the OTA ROM.. I am a bit confused... So is is really a ROM of the OTA and was it put out by a trusted source? I see some have installed it and other seem to say it isn't a lagit ROM for a lagit source... I think from what I am reading I'll just wait for the OTA to hit. I guess I should say, give it a little bit of time or go back to CM7 or maybe try Nils...

Just to add to what was already posted by jeff, the rom was signed. It definitely originated from either HTC or Verizon (my money is on HTC).

My suggestion is if you're interested in trying it out, go for it. I have heard of no issues thus far, and my experience has been perfect (outside of the typical headaches from flashing a rom. A couple of apps were acting up, but it's definitely an app side issue and not the OS).
Or if you want to err on the side of caution, wait for the OTA to roll out and decide what to flash then. Do NOT unroot and accept the OTA.

Evan2ac said:
and you will be making the correct decision. Stock OTA ROMs directly from Verizon have been proven time and time again to be the most stable and reliable. Sure there will be bloatware but you can root in the future and remove it.

What is you're PROOF of this claim? Show me links, because whenever anyone says something is "proven" but can't produce the proof, I assume they're just making things up. And saying "such and such rom has this bug" isn't proof.

(any mod who wants to move this elsewhere, feel free)

incubus26jc · Aug 18, 2011

Just to be clear, this is the OTA. The system.zip was pulled from the ruu by us. We were told be our source to not release the radio or the ruu. Also not to mention his name out of fear he would get into trouble. That said, yes it is the OTA, and yes the build.prop came with sprint stuff. Such as, it said we had a 4.3 in display, front facing camera, and also didnt even allow for verizon apps in the market. Instead had sprint apps etc....

Also, even the leaked 2.3.3 ota that came out a couple months ago had the same build.prop issues. They have had 2 months to fix it and still have not. But i just wanted to clarify that the build.prop was pulled directly from the ruu and had sprint stuff in it.

So dont tell me that this was a hacked sprint rom. This is pulled directly from the verizon ota ruu.
Thanks, Incubus

NightAngel79 · Aug 18, 2011

euph_22 said:
What is you're PROOF of this claim? Show me links, because whenever anyone says something is "proven" but can't produce the proof, I assume they're just making things up. And saying "such and such rom has this bug" isn't proof.

(any mod who wants to move this elsewhere, feel free)

I see nothing wrong with this. I'm inclined to think a vzw ota would be the less buggy one but that is in NO WAY always true. Just ask the Tbolt users about buggy ota's

jamala00 · Aug 18, 2011

NightAngel79 said:
True, and I haven't been keeping up with how much trouble our EVO brethren are having. I simply refuse to believe that they won't find a way to root GB on the Inc.

If I'm feeling froggy then I might as well root, then just install the ota as a rom and go from there. My upgrade has been available since June but I'm still completely happy with Inc and so far nothing is enticing me away

Well wait a second... Maybe I am missunderstanding this root... I am currently rooted right now with S-Off, and flahsed back to the stock 2.2 ROM... If I let the OTA install, I will will or will not remain rooted? I was thinking... and correct me if I am wrong.. I am new to all this root stuff... but if I am rooted now and let the OTA install, I can still flash a new ROM later if I am not impressed with the OTA update...

NightAngel79 · Aug 18, 2011

No^
Letting OTA install WILL CAUSE YOU TO LOSE ROOT. Then it is anyones guess how soon we get it back. Your best bet is to wait for the OTA to be released by dev community as a rom that you flash

jamala00 · Aug 18, 2011

NightAngel79 said:
No^
Letting OTA install WILL CAUSE YOU TO LOSE ROOT. Then it is anyones guess how soon we get it back. Your best bet is to wait for the OTA to be released by dev community as a rom that you flash

Ahhhh... thanks for that clarification... I wasn't understanding that... So then can you tell me.... When the OTA comes to my phone, how "IF" I decide to, do I stop it from installing?

euph_22 · Aug 18, 2011

NightAngel79 said:
Letting OTA install WILL CAUSE YOU TO LOSE ROOT. Then it is anyones guess how soon we get it back. Your best bet is to wait for the OTA to be released by dev community as a rom that you flash

I'm considering copying this and making it a signature. It will save me a lot of typing in the next few days...

NightAngel79 · Aug 18, 2011

jamala00 said:
Ahhhh... thanks for that clarification... I wasn't understanding that... So then can you tell me.... When the OTA comes to my phone, how "IF" I decide to, do I stop it from installing?

You can tell it not to install, though I heard if your root/rom'd that it won't ask you to install it. Plus within a day i would think the devs will have the ota available as a flashable rom for you to try

euph_22 said:
I'm considering copying this and making it a signature. It will save me a lot of typing in the next few days...

LOL!! Seriously lmao! Too bad a sig only shows up once per page

jeffgman · Aug 18, 2011

NightAngel79 said:
True, and I haven't been keeping up with how much trouble our EVO brethren are having. I simply refuse to believe that they won't find a way to root GB on the Inc.

If I'm feeling froggy then I might as well root, then just install the ota as a rom and go from there. My upgrade has been available since June but I'm still completely happy with Inc and so far nothing is enticing me away

I was a hold out just like you. I used to have the Eris and I rooted and installed a custom rom at least once a week. When I got my Incredible I told myself I was not going to root and just leave everything stock. It is a great phone stock. But, after the ota got pulled, I finally decided to root, and have not been happier. The root process took no more than 10 minutes for me. Super fast and super easy.

I do agree that we will eventually see root for 2.3, I just didn't want to take the chance not knowing for how long I would have to wait. By rooting now I am able to really see how this phone can fly. This is the fastest phone I have ever used.

Jeff

iowabowtech · Aug 18, 2011

jamala00 said:
Ahhhh... thanks for that clarification... I wasn't understanding that... So then can you tell me.... When the OTA comes to my phone, how "IF" I decide to, do I stop it from installing?

Like NightAngel said, you may not get the OTA nag since youre rooted even though you are running a stock Rom. Or you might get the nag but it wont install even if you ask it to due to your custom recovery. The wrench in all this was the November update. Many rooted users even on custom roms got the nag, myself included and several reported that it actually loaded for them which went against conventional wisdom. I've yet to see that happen on a full blown OS change but my advice...don't take chances. No reason to accept an OTA as a root user.

Some may scoff, but I would argue until I'm blue in the face that loading roms is far more preferred install method than OTA. That's a poor way to update a device and is why there's always so many problems at every launch. Too many things can go wrong over the airwaves.

Evan2ac · Aug 18, 2011

iowabowtech said:
Some may scoff, but I would argue until I'm blue in the face that loading roms is far more preferred install method than OTA. That's a poor way to update a device and is why there's always so many problems at every launch. Too many things can go wrong over the airwaves.

This is an incorrect statement. Data transmission over wireless network is extremely reliable due to error checking and checksum. All the issues people have once the official OTA is deployed can be resolved simply by doing a factory reset. The problem is the individuals who do run into problems dont know this or dont want to do it since it will wipe the phone.

NightAngel79 · Aug 18, 2011

Evan2ac said:
This is an incorrect statement. Data transmission over wireless network is extremely reliable due to error checking and checksum. All the issues people have once the official OTA is deployed can be resolved simply by doing a factory reset. The problem is the individuals who do run into problems dont know this or dont want to do it since it will wipe the phone.

Exactly. Its the reason I wouldn't want to for sure. And checksums and error checking is all good but there still is room for error, more room that if you were downloaded the exact same file over your wired internet connection

euph_22 · Aug 19, 2011

NightAngel79 said:
Exactly. Its the reason I wouldn't want to for sure. And checksums and error checking is all good but there still is room for error, more room that if you were downloaded the exact same file over your wired internet connection

Not to mention, if there is an issue when flashing a rom 9 times out of 10 it can be recovered simply by flashing again. That is absolutely not the case with FOTA (firmware OTA) as implemented by Verizon. If the update gets corrupted during the update (which can happen even if the file passes the checksum), then the phone is generally NOT user recoverable. This is most definitely not the most typical failure mode for updates, but does happen.
And since checksums are used for every method, so if the file would should up intact for an OTA it would for any other method as well (ok, not necessarily RUU, but you can always redo an RUU).

iowabowtech · Aug 19, 2011

Evan2ac said:
This is an incorrect statement. Data transmission over wireless network is extremely reliable due to error checking and checksum. All the issues people have once the official OTA is deployed can be resolved simply by doing a factory reset. The problem is the individuals who do run into problems dont know this or dont want to do it since it will wipe the phone.

You're contradicting yourself horribly. You say it's reliable yet you admit there are issues that require a factory reset which nobody in their right mind wants to do or should be EXPECTED to do with a supposed update.

I don't run into problems with roms or radios or bootloaders or recoveries or rom.zips because I use MD5 checksums also to verify integrity. At which point I move the file to the phone using a USB cable.

If I had a dollar for every post about how the OTA borked my SD card, pics, vids, etc I'd be a rich man. Look it up. And while you're at it, maybe you can tell us why people who were already on 2.2 for many months got it pushed to them again which REALLY caused major problems.

So "incorrect statement" was an incorrect statement. You talk like you're reading from a flowchart but you have no idea what users go through out here in the trenches. If you do, you choose to ignore it to preach the company line which in many cases is obvious BS.

Evan2ac · Aug 19, 2011

iowabowtech said:
You're contradicting yourself horribly. You say it's reliable yet you admit there are issues that require a factory reset which nobody in their right mind wants to do or should be EXPECTED to do with a supposed update.

I don't run into problems with roms or radios or bootloaders or recoveries or rom.zips because I use MD5 checksums also to verify integrity. At which point I move the file to the phone using a USB cable.

If I had a dollar for every post about how the OTA borked my SD card, pics, vids, etc I'd be a rich man. Look it up. And while you're at it, maybe you can tell us why people who were already on 2.2 for many months got it pushed to them again which REALLY caused major problems.

So "incorrect statement" was an incorrect statement. You talk like you're reading from a flowchart but you have no idea what users go through out here in the trenches. If you do, you choose to ignore it to preach the company line which in many cases is obvious BS.

Sigh.....

You are not understanding. Yes, wireless data transfer is fantastically reliable. The reason a minority of people will have issues is not because the OTA will be transferred corrupted but due to the current state of the users phone. It is impossible to test the OTA on a phone with every possible setting and app combination. Sure some combinations of setting and apps will cause temporary issues. Doing a factory reset after receiving the update will resolve this. This is common knowledge.

answerman · Aug 19, 2011

iowabowtech said:
Like NightAngel said, you may not get the OTA nag since youre rooted even though you are running a stock Rom. Or you might get the nag but it wont install even if you ask it to due to your custom recovery. The wrench in all this was the November update. Many rooted users even on custom roms got the nag, myself included and several reported that it actually loaded for them which went against conventional wisdom.

Seems to me that there was a simple way around this... was it editing the build.prop and changing the version number? Something like that. I've been rooted since the 2.2 root became available, but never left the stock ROM. I remember doing something like this to eliminate the nag (never did the incremental 2.2 update that came out in November).

BabyBlues · Aug 19, 2011

OMG. After having to catch up on the posts from just Thursday afternoon on i've come to a couple conclusions.
First - I'm gonna have to try flashing this rom just so I can say I did. (I really really love SkyRaider 4.3 though)
Second - I might have to try CM7 again if the battery life is that good. Third - you have all just kept me entertained for 30 minutes reading.

Gingerbread 2.3 was here, then gone, now it's back

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10/24/11

10/31/11

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11/14/111

11/21/11

Don't care (rooted already, etc)

Before Christmas

Never, the lobsters ate all the testers so it got cancelled

It isn't coming at all now

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