*Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread

mpciii · Sep 12, 2011

Thejungle said:
Does Verizon use a Droid moniker to all smartphones which are better than the other? Come one, not all devices get this name. Only moto and one device from sammy as for now!

And HTC- Droid Incredible

Thejungle · Sep 12, 2011

mpciii said:
And HTC- Droid Incredible

Didn' know that! Thanks!

WE'RE WAITING FOR SOME BLURRYCAM! I can't undarstund one thing:
This phone is finished and completely polished, ready to ship - and we know a lot of peaple had it in their hands, now this device is bein sent to some hq, or another places. It's being prepared now for announcment and SOME PEAPLE ARE ABLE TO TAKE A SHOT! What are they wainting for?! We're waitin here!!!

rrhartjr · Sep 12, 2011

Sandroidfan said:
Not sure how they differ in architecture exactly. probably not major one. I guess there is some efficiency improvement given OMAP 4460 is released a few quarters later than 4430. Also I heard that PowerVR GPU in 4460 is slightly improved SGX544 vs SGX540 in 4430.

I wanted to come back to this after reading Anandtech's review of the SGS2.

The 4460 does NOT have the SGX544. It is just a higher bin of the 4430 with the SGX540.

The 4470 has the SGX544, which is most definitely NOT a slightly improved version of the 540. The SGX544 is the 45nm version of the 65nm SGX543 in the iPad2.. it's at least twice as fast as the SGX540 and the only thing even in the same ballpark as the Mali400 in the SGS2.

AnandTech - Samsung Galaxy S 2 (International) Review - The Best, Redefined
AnandTech - Samsung Galaxy S 2 (International) Review - The Best, Redefined

If the Prime is OMAP-based, as is believed so far.. I think it HAS to be OMAP4470.

The only other SoC options are:
* Exynos -- Mali400 an excellent GPU, disappointing that LTE remains discrete
* OMAP4460/4430 -- SGX540 is a regression re: the competition (Adreno 220, Mali400), discrete LTE integration would be the same specs as Bionic
* Qualcomm Krait -- an interesting possibility with an 28nm SoC integrated LTE baseband and an excellent Adreno 225 GPU

Some food for thought there.. Krait is the only one that can deliver good performance on an HD screen AND low LTE power usage..

kcs7272 · Sep 12, 2011

The_Chief said:
11/11/11 is a Friday. Veterans Day, too. Doesn't Verizon normally release new phones on Thursdays?

But I guarantee you this: if it DOES drop on that Friday, I'll be at the Verizon store long before I have to deliver my Veterans Day speech at 11:11 AM

That is my brother's birthday...and he is a vet

I WANT THE PRIME AHHHHHH! Okay I'm good now

Thejungle · Sep 12, 2011

Hey guys, as I noticed most of you have OG DROID, i conceived an idea to post here my last art I made about Droid. In the video it's called Milestone, because Droid is restricted for Verizon in US, and Milestone has locked bootloader, so there is a big problem to flash any new ROMs into it. Some guy figured out how to flash Gingerbread into this phone, and I was veeery happy about it. Created this video, as I'm 3D graphics hothead. Enjoy, and post some comments about it, what do you think? ;>

Your Milestone with Android 2.3 Gingerbread - YouTube

PS. Sorry, it's off-topic, but please - don't lynch my back about it, I wanted to share it with you. ;-) Thanks!

Sandroidfan · Sep 12, 2011

rrhartjr said:
I wanted to come back to this after reading Anandtech's review of the SGS2.

The 4460 does NOT have the SGX544. It is just a higher bin of the 4430 with the SGX540.

The 4470 has the SGX544, which is most definitely NOT a slightly improved version of the 540. The SGX544 is the 45nm version of the 65nm SGX543 in the iPad2.. it's at least twice as fast as the SGX540 and the only thing even in the same ballpark as the Mali400 in the SGS2.

AnandTech - Samsung Galaxy S 2 (International) Review - The Best, Redefined
AnandTech - Samsung Galaxy S 2 (International) Review - The Best, Redefined

If the Prime is OMAP-based, as is believed so far.. I think it HAS to be OMAP4470.

The only other SoC options are:
* Exynos -- Mali400 an excellent GPU, disappointing that LTE remains discrete
* OMAP4460/4430 -- SGX540 is a regression re: the competition (Adreno 220, Mali400), discrete LTE integration would be the same specs as Bionic
* Qualcomm Krait -- an interesting possibility with an 28nm SoC integrated LTE baseband and an excellent Adreno 225 GPU

Some food for thought there.. Krait is the only one that can deliver good performance on an HD screen AND low LTE power usage..

Thanks for update on SGS2 performance. Exynos is still looking impressive except triangle performance.

I already admitted that it was my mistake claim that OMAP 4460 has SGX544. But 4470 has that GPU. Though it will be nice to have 4470 in Prime, leaks so far seem to indicate it's 4460.

HanSolo · Sep 12, 2011

Thejungle said:
Didn' know that! Thanks!

WE'RE WAITING FOR SOME BLURRYCAM! I can't undarstund one thing:
This phone is finished and completely polished, ready to ship - and we know a lot of peaple had it in their hands, now this device is bein sent to some hq, or another places. It's being prepared now for announcment and SOME PEAPLE ARE ABLE TO TAKE A SHOT! What are they wainting for?! We're waitin here!!!

I still don't see where you got the info of people testing it. I've looked. How about linking to it?

rrhartjr · Sep 12, 2011

Sandroidfan said:
Thanks for update on SGS2 performance. Exynos is still looking impressive except triangle performance.

I already admitted that it was my mistake claim that OMAP 4460 has SGX544. But 4470 has that GPU. Though it will be nice to have 4470 in Prime, leaks so far seem to indicate it's 4460.

Yea, sorry about that.. I quoted your post not really to criticize you for that but just as a jumping off point for a discussion about possible SoC options for the Prime.

I think SGX540 + HD screen will result in pretty disappointing performance.. I'd honestly rather have the HTC Vigor at that point, Adreno 220 is a little closer to capable for the almost 2.5x increase in screen pixels vs WVGA and almost double of qHD.

Grandmadroid · Sep 12, 2011

VegasOnAcid said:
Can we get a sticky thread that only gets posted in when something official gets released. All of these rumors toy with my emotions, don't think I can deal with this thread anymore.

Ah c'mon, Vegas,....the turmoil is what makes us strong! grrrrrr .....

Sandroidfan · Sep 12, 2011

rrhartjr said:
I think SGX540 + HD screen will result in pretty disappointing performance.. I'd honestly rather have the HTC Vigor at that point, Adreno 220 is a little closer to capable for the almost 2.5x increase in screen pixels vs WVGA and almost double of qHD.

I'm not so sure about that. Looking at the benchmarks you quoted, 1Ghz OMAP4430 did slightly worse than 1.2Ghz Exynos but a little better or on par with 1.2Ghz snapdragon s3 (Evo3D, Sensation). OMAP4460 will have 50% bump in CPU clock and its SGX540 GPU will have higher clock than GPU in 4430 as well. So I don't see how 4460+HD in Prime is worse than s3+HD in Vigor.

gapi · Sep 12, 2011

Thejungle said:
Some guy figured out how to flash Gingerbread into this phone, and I was veeery happy about it. Created this video, as I'm 3D graphics hothead. Enjoy, and post some comments about it, what do you think? ;> Your Milestone with Android 2.3 Gingerbread - YouTube!

Whats up with this. Has anyone heard of it or tried it? Gosh, my OGD has lasted this long but I sure would like to pass the time waiting with Ginger on my phone.

Thejungle · Sep 12, 2011

HanSolo said:
I still don't see where you got the info of people testing it. I've looked. How about linking to it?

If I could find it now in my hostory. I looked into it, but there are too many websites listed - I have no idea how to find it. I can tell you one VEERY exciting report (which I was especially looking for at the moment, but - fail):
Some guy wrote in the article or blog he spoke to his friend, who talked to some another employee working for some wireless carrier or something, and he gave him Prime to toy with. He said it rocks, and is reeeaally great. I remember one thing he quoted: "I didn't want to give it back because it was so great".

Sorry I can't link it, I've visited this site few days ago, and I can't remember now where it was ..

rrhartjr · Sep 12, 2011

Sandroidfan said:
I'm not so sure about that. Looking at the benchmarks you quoted, 1Ghz OMAP4430 did slightly worse than 1.2Ghz Exynos but a little better or on par with 1.2Ghz snapdragon s3 (Evo3D, Sensation). OMAP4460 will have 50% bump in CPU clock and its SGX540 GPU will have higher clock than GPU in 4430 as well. So I don't see how 4460+HD in Prime is worse than s3+HD in Vigor.

Oh, that's a good point.. I had not considered the increased clock in the 4460. That's a considerable boost there..

Sandroidfan · Sep 12, 2011

rrhartjr said:
Oh, that's a good point.. I had not considered the increased clock in the 4460. That's a considerable boost there..

And we don't know yet what improvements ICS will bring to graphic performance, let alone hardware GPU acceleration for UI.

rrhartjr · Sep 12, 2011

Sandroidfan said:
And we don't know yet what improvements ICS will bring to graphic performance, let alone hardware GPU acceleration for UI.

Yea, Samsung has always done a pretty good job using GPU for UI acceleration.. and they are certainly no stranger to the SGX..

HanSolo · Sep 12, 2011

Thejungle said:
If I could find it now in my hostory. I looked into it, but there are too many websites listed - I have no idea how to find it. I can tell you one VEERY exciting report (which I was especially looking for at the moment, but - fail):
Some guy wrote in the article or blog he spoke to his friend, who talked to some another employee working for some wireless carrier or something, and he gave him Prime to toy with. He said it rocks, and is reeeaally great. I remember one thing he quoted: "I didn't want to give it back because it was so great".

Sorry I can't link it, I've visited this site few days ago, and I can't remember now where it was ..

I think you're referring to this:
Google Nexus Prime is very real; and made by Samsung | YugaTech | Philippines, Technology News & Reviews

I don't know. It sounds nice, but I haven't seen it anywhere else, so who knows.

But I agree that the sooner we get some leaked pics, the better.

Thejungle · Sep 12, 2011

HanSolo said:
I think you're referring to this:
Google Nexus Prime is very real; and made by Samsung | YugaTech | Philippines, Technology News & Reviews

I don't know. It sounds nice, but I haven't seen it anywhere else, so who knows.

But I agree that the sooner we get some leaked pics, the better.

Yeah, that's it! Isn't it? And it sounds great, it really does! ;-)

Member138406 · Sep 12, 2011

Grandmadroid said:
Ah c'mon, Vegas,....the turmoil is what makes us strong! grrrrrr .....

If your not around this thread everyday it gets confusing.

troll_killer · Sep 12, 2011

I bought the Bionic today. Thoughts:

1. I don't think that the Prime will be much better than Bionic in speed and smoothness. This is one buttery phone.

2. This Bionic screen sucks big time.

I'm torn on returning it and waiting for Prime or Vigor, or settling in with this thing for 2 years. Do you guys honestly have any idea how long the wait will be? What's the general agreement?

BlueBiker · Sep 12, 2011

rrhartjr said:
I think SGX540 + HD screen will result in pretty disappointing performance.. I'd honestly rather have the HTC Vigor at that point, Adreno 220 is a little closer to capable for the almost 2.5x increase in screen pixels vs WVGA and almost double of qHD.

Pretty sure I'd be very happy w/the 4460. I'm not a gamer and don't care about 3D, and I have a hard time believing that any current GPU has trouble pushing around 2D blocks of pixels even on an HD screen. My guess is that any perceived UI delays or sluggishness would be due to things like Blur or TouchWiz rather than GPU chipset.

The_Chief · Sep 12, 2011

troll_killer said:
Do you guys honestly have any idea how long the wait will be? What's the general agreement?

2 months.

The general consensus is looking more toward Thursday, November 17th. So says our "insider"... I don't LIKE waiting another 2 months, but at least we have a target date to shoot for.

Steven58 · Sep 12, 2011

VegasOnAcid said:
Can we get a sticky thread that only gets posted in when something official gets released. All of these rumors toy with my emotions, don't think I can deal with this thread anymore.

Good Question. What I can is update the OP and update the title to indicate any changes. Good enoughness?

Just PM me w/updates, guys.

Steven

AndroidifyMe · Sep 12, 2011

troll_killer said:
I bought the Bionic today. Thoughts:

1. I don't think that the Prime will be much better than Bionic in speed and smoothness. This is one buttery phone.

2. This Bionic screen sucks big time.

I'm torn on returning it and waiting for Prime or Vigor, or settling in with this thing for 2 years. Do you guys honestly have any idea how long the wait will be? What's the general agreement?

If it is clocked higher then it may be be smoother. IC is suppose to have real dual core support so I think it may be smoother. A native OS like Gingerbread and now IC, I think it will be smoother.

RadYOacTiVe · Sep 12, 2011

2 years is a long time to hold onto something you settled for, especially when you will look at that screen every day.

troll_killer said:
I bought the Bionic today. Thoughts:

1. I don't think that the Prime will be much better than Bionic in speed and smoothness. This is one buttery phone.

2. This Bionic screen sucks big time.

I'm torn on returning it and waiting for Prime or Vigor, or settling in with this thing for 2 years. Do you guys honestly have any idea how long the wait will be? What's the general agreement?

Steven58 · Sep 12, 2011

troll_killer said:
I bought the Bionic today. Thoughts:

1. I don't think that the Prime will be much better than Bionic in speed and smoothness. This is one buttery phone.

2. This Bionic screen sucks big time.

I'm torn on returning it and waiting for Prime or Vigor, or settling in with this thing for 2 years. Do you guys honestly have any idea how long the wait will be? What's the general agreement?

I played with the bionic, today, at the store. It is indeed one solid phone. It's nice.. Just enjoy it!

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