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chrlswltrs · Oct 14, 2011

I have several thousand pictures in my gallery, that is why I love picasa. Every picture I have is in picasa and it is all automatically synced to my gallery. But even with that many pictures I still think I only have about 6 GB of pictures. Usually about once a week at least I upload all my new pictures to picasa, then delete them off my phone.

AntimonyER · Oct 14, 2011

My problem with using cloud storage is that my connection at work (where I would use it the most) is horrific at the time being. I honestly get only between 0.04-0.16 MBps dl. On 3G! Probably because Verizon is the best network in my area by a factor of 10, my employer uses Verizon for their corporate network, and us lowly peons who don't have company paid phones still get a decent discount for Verizon through employer. Now my area is getting LTE next month, so hopefully my work is covered, and that should be resolved.

milkshed27 · Oct 14, 2011

Almost all of the storage space on my phone is taken up by music. My collection on my external drive is over 200gb which I swap out into my sd card as needed. I listen to music most of the day, everyday and having a phone that can serve me as a media player has allowed me to carry one less device. My main concern with cloud is the toll that it would take on battery life and if any, on audio quality.

I usually go through about 10% battery every two hours or so by using the button on my headphones and the volume button long press from CM7/Simply Stunning to skip songs if needed. This allows me to not have to burn my screen therefore saving me a good deal of battery. Also, while I wouldn't consider myself an audiophile, I am picky about audio quality. Is there anyone that can give me some info on how much battery they go through while streaming music through the cloud and also if there is any loss in audio quality? Thanks in advance.

trophynuts · Oct 14, 2011

milkshed27 said:
I am picky about audio quality. Is there anyone that can give me some info on how much battery they go through while streaming music through the cloud and also if there is any loss in audio quality? Thanks in advance.

you can try this out for yourself for free using google music or amazon music

milkshed27 · Oct 14, 2011

I'm still waiting for Google Music invite but I will look into Amazon. Thanks

chrlswltrs · Oct 14, 2011

milkshed27 said:
I'm still waiting for Google Music invite but I will look into Amazon. Thanks

I thought they opened it up to everyone when they updated the market app, I may be wrong though since I got my invite shortly after they started issuing them.

HanSolo · Oct 14, 2011

trophynuts said:
So in order to better understand, as well as prepare. . . . .

http://androidforums.com/nexus-s/428269-life-without-sd-slot-need-feedback.html#post3316194

Sounds like instructions for a surgical candidate about to forever change her life.

trophynuts · Oct 14, 2011

HanSolo said:
Sounds like instructions for a surgical candidate about to forever change her life.

lol

Rhystatic · Oct 14, 2011

You can request a Music beta invite from google here

I just did today, not sure if or what I will get an invite but worth a shot! If anyone knows of another free or cheap (5bucks for 20gig a year gmail style!) let us know!

milkshed27 · Oct 14, 2011

chrlswltrs said:
I thought they opened it up to everyone when they updated the market app, I may be wrong though since I got my invite shortly after they started issuing them.

Not that I'm aware of. I checked it through the market and in the description info it still says in beta and through invite only.

stanfna · Oct 14, 2011

If anyone is not already a Dropbox user, use this link to get an account and we both get 250MB of additional storage space!

http://db.tt/Dddo83S

Thanks!

clb2196 · Oct 14, 2011

milkshed27 said:
I'm still waiting for Google Music invite but I will look into Amazon. Thanks

I'm going to other way, I think. I quite like amazon's solution (I *really* like that it's easy to buy a song and add to a playlist in seconds) but... I've been thinking that it'd be nice to have voice commands while I'm driving, and only Google music does that. So I may use both for a while and decide.

So- for people who don't want their data on someone else's servers, I highly recommend Pogoplug. their free software lets you access any files on your home PC, and download to your mobile device, or upload from you mobile device to your home PC. You can also pay (I forget how much) and stream music and video directly, if you prefer that.

Oh- I should add too, for those who complained about speed, that yeah, downloading and streaming larger files is way nicer on my LTE tab.

But music streaming from Amazon works without a hitch on my D2.

tsargent347 · Oct 17, 2011

Can someone put up some options for cloud storage? Im not very knowledgeable at all with the cloud storage and would like to go ahead and familurize myself with some good cloud storage options..and will i b able to back stuff up on the cloud storage just like i do my sd card for say a nandroid backup or something? I know u can back up music and pictures but what else can u backup onto cloud storage?

trophynuts · Oct 17, 2011

tsargent347 said:
Can someone put up some options for cloud storage? Im not very knowledgeable at all with the cloud storage and would like to go ahead and familurize myself with some good cloud storage options..and will i b able to back stuff up on the cloud storage just like i do my sd card for say a nandroid backup or something? I know u can back up music and pictures but what else can u backup onto cloud storage?

i'll update the OP

trophynuts · Oct 17, 2011

op updated with links to various cloud options

vincentp · Oct 17, 2011

I don't save a ton of stuff on my phone, but some people do. One of the biggest problems with this is that if you're on Verizon or another carrier with bandwidth caps and tiered data, you're being forced to upload/download every time you want to access - say - some pictures you took on your phone.

Personally I use mostly streaming music and Internet radio since I'm still on unlimited, but if I was on tiered, I would almost have to have my actual MP3's on my phone to conserve data. If you don't have space on your phone to store this, what's the point of using your own MP3's when you have to stream/download them to use them anyway?

I'm pretty sure I will still get this phone assuming the build quality is better than the cheap plastic charge, but this can be a serious dealbreaker for people who are on tiered data.

trophynuts · Oct 17, 2011

vincentp said:
I don't save a ton of stuff on my phone, but some people do. One of the biggest problems with this is that if you're on Verizon or another carrier with bandwidth caps and tiered data, you're being forced to upload/download every time you want to access - say - some pictures you took on your phone.

Personally I use mostly streaming music and Internet radio since I'm still on unlimited, but if I was on tiered, I would almost have to have my actual MP3's on my phone to conserve data. If you don't have space on your phone to store this, what's the point of using your own MP3's when you have to stream/download them to use them anyway?

I'm pretty sure I will still get this phone assuming the build quality is better than the cheap plastic charge, but this can be a serious dealbreaker for people who are on tiered data.

people that are worried about tiered data or bandwidth caps may want to do a combination of cloud storage and local storage on the phone.

trophynuts · Oct 17, 2011

My Book Live

you could create your own cloud storage environment at home.

rushmore · Oct 17, 2011

For people with unlimited data and no caps, cool. Not so for 3g and new customers. The cloud is a Trojan horse in several ways.

drdoom · Oct 17, 2011

rushmore said:
For people with unlimited data and no caps, cool. Not so for 3g and new customers. The cloud is a Trojan horse in several ways.

You claim it is a Trojan horse, but you failed to explain how or why. Mind elaborating before you make that statement?

eyetek · Oct 17, 2011

As I stated in the Prime thread I have been using cloud space for a couple years now...I use different services for different files. Music is kept in one cloud service while photos are in another and I use Dropbox for business files that I need to update on the go day by day.

Cloud storage is a big push for the tech industry going forward so we must become accustom to it going forward and find ways to make it work for us...it does work even if you are going to be in an area with little of no coverage with a little foresight and planning ahead even for your music and videos!

I wanted to share a service that I have been researching lately, it is a cloud service created on your own home computer and the software is free for 30 days and then if you want the key to unlock the premium features you need to make a donation. It is open sourced and multiple third party UI's are available for all OS systems and mobile devices.

Take a look at Subsonic

It does take some setup on your part but the logic is that you control the cloud space, it is on your own network and uses your own hard drive and router. You have as much control in the security as you want to put into it. This service is sold as a music streamer but it also does video streaming with a little work and can handle all of your other files in you want.

Anyway I thought I would share this service with you as I am about to give it a go myself and at least do the 30 day trial and see how it works. I have a link to a guide that I will be using to set this up and you can find it below.

A Complete Guide to setting up SubSonic (Windows/Android)

trophynuts · Oct 17, 2011

Eyetek nailed it. If you work anywhere in the IT industry you know that cloud storage is coming in hot. Which is why I too am trying to familiarize myself with it even more as well as others. In fact i'm almost certain the new testing from CompTia will include security measures for cloud services....as someone that has to stay current on several IT certifications i will definitely have to learn about cloud services no matter what phone i'm using.

rushmore · Oct 17, 2011

drdoom said:
You claim it is a Trojan horse, but you failed to explain how or why. Mind elaborating before you make that statement?

The end game for OEMs, carriers and content providers.

1. Data mining
2. Data cap breaches. Carriers are banking on this, since more cloud usage equals more cap breaches and or upgrages of data plans. Seems silly that people would fall for that, but does not take much of a percent for the install base to generate serious revenue.
3. More control of content used by the consumer, plus usage rights.
4. Cheaper cost for the OEM, since less flash storage or ports on the devices (as an aggregate).

Do you folks honestly think the intent of data clouds are for the good of the consumer? Seems the opposite of good, unless consumers are continued to be offered choices of if they want it or not. So if the industry continues to offer microsd slots, high flash storage, and content for local storage, etc -cool.

Do folks not find it interesting that the carriers are crying about bandwidth and network costs, but they at the same time are guiding people into cloud content which requires more bandwidth than locally stored content?

At the same time pushing 4G devices, even though new users must pay $30 for 2 teeny gigs? And to support their rationale, they use data usage trends based on years of data with a heavy bias of 2G and non Android phone use. They are BANKING on data cap breaches- simple.

None of this is by accident, but a lot of people are banking on acceptance. Sad to say, it is brilliant for them for business $, but can be bad for consumers. Data clouds are not the problem, but the data cap constraints and potential loss of consumer options for hardware IS the problem. (I use my own network cloud data, so "hip" with it, but have an unlimited data plan).

Added:

I can very easily see the current data caps and prices being an FCC issue in 2012, but nothing good tends to happen in these cases. Cloud data usage increases will accelerate this confrontation.

Common word cloud from my rant = banking

trophynuts · Oct 17, 2011

rushmore said:
The end game for OEMs, carriers and content providers.

1. Data mining
2. Data cap breaches. Carriers are banking on this, since more cloud usage equals more cap breaches and or upgrages of data plans. Seems silly that people would fall for that, but does not take much of a percent for the install base to generate serious revenue.
3. More control of content used by the consumer, plus usage rights.
4. Cheaper cost for the OEM, since less flash storage or ports on the devices (as an aggregate).

Do you folks honestly think the intent of data clouds are for the good of the consumer? Seems the opposite of good, unless consumers are continued to be offered choices of if they want it or not. So if the industry continues to offer microsd slots, high flash storage, and content for local storage, etc -cool.

Do folks not find it interesting that the carriers are crying about bandwidth and network costs, but they at the same time are guiding people into cloud content which requires more bandwidth than locally stored content?

At the same time pushing 4G devices, even though new users must pay $30 for 2 teeny gigs? And to support their rationale, they use data usage trends based on years of data with a heavy bias of 2G and non Android phone use. They are BANKING on data cap breaches- simple.

None of this is by accident, but a lot of people are banking on acceptance. Sad to say, it is brilliant for them for business $, but can be bad for consumers. Data clouds are not the problem, but the data cap constraints and potential loss of consumer options for hardware IS the problem. (I use my own network cloud data, so "hip" with it, but have an unlimited data plan).

Added:

I can very easily see the current data caps and prices being an FCC issue in 2012, but nothing good tends to happen in these cases. Cloud data usage increases will accelerate this confrontation.

Common word cloud from my rant = banking

you made some valid points however for people that are on unlimited data with no caps, a lot of these issues with cloud storage are non existent.

so far for me since i'm on unlimited data the only downside to embracing cloud storage would be if i were in an area with no coverage and i needed to get something from the cloud. For me though i am rarely anywhere without coverage. So I think that would be a very small issue for me.

chrlswltrs · Oct 17, 2011

vincentp said:
Personally I use mostly streaming music and Internet radio since I'm still on unlimited, but if I was on tiered, I would almost have to have my actual MP3's on my phone to conserve data. If you don't have space on your phone to store this, what's the point of using your own MP3's when you have to stream/download them to use them anyway?

I almost exclusively use Slacker radio. Did you know that with Slacker you can cache your radio stations so that you can listen without usng any data at all?

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