Every blogger who has played with it said the screen was beautiful. The only 2 "articles" I saw that were negative where from people who were speculating and didn't see the device in person.
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Nexus screen tech - PenTile, dpi, SAMOLED
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Every blogger who has played with it said the screen was beautiful. The only 2 "articles" I saw that were negative where from people who were speculating and didn't see the device in person.
It's a phone for pete's sake. Yes I want it to be the best it can be, and I am a photography and home theater enthusiast, but geesh I'm not going to edit my work for correct white balance/skin tones on my phone... I'm not going to have my screen calibrated like my 56" pdp in my home theater with the standard THX certified SMTPE 16 FL + or - 4 or have the RGB profile a relative flatline so I can watch a full length movie on the 4.6" phone....
Bypass all the tech-talk-babble, it's going to be an excellent screen for a phone I can't wait!
Bypass all the tech-talk-babble, it's going to be an excellent screen for a phone I can't wait!
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All I know is my Galaxy S has a gorgeous display, and when it's side-by-side with my friends' DX and Atrix, it absolutely blows the Moto phones away. Different classes of displays altogether.
All three have Pentile subpixel arrangement. Just that the SAMOLED is in another class of its own. No worry for me about the GNex's SAMOLED.
All three have Pentile subpixel arrangement. Just that the SAMOLED is in another class of its own. No worry for me about the GNex's SAMOLED.
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I have no doubt that HD SAMOLED on Nexus will look beautiful despite it being pentile.
Interestingly I see some folks claiming qHD SAMOLED on Razr is non-pentile RGB stripe. Is this confirmed with proof? To my knowledge Samsung never sourced high resolution SAMOLED+ screen to anyone.
Interestingly I see some folks claiming qHD SAMOLED on Razr is non-pentile RGB stripe. Is this confirmed with proof? To my knowledge Samsung never sourced high resolution SAMOLED+ screen to anyone.
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That was my thought and also Droid-Life took close picture of Razr clearing showing pentile pattern on screen.
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Find someone who has an original Galaxy S (or variant, such as Fascinate, Captivate, Epic, or Vibrant). That is the exact same screen tech used in the Galaxy Nexus and the RAZR, with the exception of screen size and resolution. If you are happy with those screens, you'll be happy with the RAZR's screen, and VERY happy with the Nexus' screen.
There is one person here in particular who constantly claims that the screen on the RAZR is Super AMOLED Plus (non-pentile). I've shown him that his assertion was false. He cited a preview by PC Mag (done by Sasha Segan), so I emailed Mr. Segan and posted his response (admitting his errors in that preview). That wasn't good enough.
If you're dealing with the same person that I am, best to just drop it like I did. I've always been told that if you argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Best to let that person wallow in his own ignorance. It's already been stated by all parties involved that the screen is Super Amoled, and that it's PenTile. The key difference is that it is the first qHD Super Amoled display. All qHD means is a resolution of 960x540, nothing more. And for those scratching their heads, if you took 4 960x540 screens and lined them up as a square, you'd get 1920x1080, hence the name qHD, for quarter HD.
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I previously said that I didn't think any ~superphone like RAZR would be introduced with a qHD PenTile screen this late in the game... but I don't have a problem admitting being wrong about that.
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Since this thread is already about display tech and I didn't want to start another thread...
Does anyone have any idea how bright this screen will be? I want something much brighter than my Incredible. It's my biggest complaint. I have an ASUS Transformer and that's bright enough, so equal to that would be just fine.
Does anyone have any idea how bright this screen will be? I want something much brighter than my Incredible. It's my biggest complaint. I have an ASUS Transformer and that's bright enough, so equal to that would be just fine.
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Take a look at a Galaxy S (Fascinate in Verizon stores). The thing is viewable even in daylight. This screen kills the Incredible's screen. Better color depth, better viewing in daylight, less reflective, etc.
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Celery is probably the foulest-tasting veggie in existence for me. The smell alone makes me want to wretch. I claim no ability to taste more or better than the average person. But for whatever reason, there's something extremely nasty that I can detect that others cannot when it comes to celery. These other people are ones who think of celery as good-tasting or neutral.
And I find this a very apt analogy to PenTile. Based on what I've read (and I've read lots moderating the various forums here and my own research elsewhere) that there is no correlation between a person's subjective assessment about their visual acuity, color perception, etc. to the aversion of PenTile screens.
I hear lots of people say, "it just doesn't bother me that much" for both PenTile and celery. I hear people say to me, "what the F are you talking about? It looks/tastes awesome!" And sometimes I meet a fellow celery/PenTile hater and just understand with no words spoken.
We all see differently, the same way we taste differently. If we're in the pro-PenTile camp, we need to stop accusing naysayers of being "eagle-eyed" and holding their screens up to their faces. Likewise, for the anti-PenTile camp, there's nothing wrong with other people's vision. We just process the info differently, and we have varying tolerances and expectations.
I was extremely put off by the original Galaxy S PenTile screens, and this was before I even knew what PenTile was. The Atrix screen looked even worse, but for different reasons. Therefore I suspect that the screen on the Galaxy Nexus will disappoint me too, despite the resolution. I see it this way: if you have to raise pixel density a lot just to hide the inherent fault of the display, imagine how much better your screen would be if you had that same density WITHOUT any inherent fault. Yes, at some pixel density, it becomes irrelevant. Given that for me, the Atrix qHD looks very crappy compared to my Evo 3D's qHD screen, I'd say 720p is still not high enough res to cover up the symptoms of PenTile. For me.
People think I'm exaggerating when I describe my distaste for celery. And I bet some of you here think the same thing for my distaste of PenTile. But I can assure you my complaints are very real; I am not trying to find fault intentionally, and I have no motivation to poo-poo pentile technology. It is what it is. It bothers me. I know full well that it doesn't bother a lot of people out there, and I don't think these people are crazy. In fact, I consider them lucky that they have more selection of tolerable phones than me.
And I find this a very apt analogy to PenTile. Based on what I've read (and I've read lots moderating the various forums here and my own research elsewhere) that there is no correlation between a person's subjective assessment about their visual acuity, color perception, etc. to the aversion of PenTile screens.
I hear lots of people say, "it just doesn't bother me that much" for both PenTile and celery. I hear people say to me, "what the F are you talking about? It looks/tastes awesome!" And sometimes I meet a fellow celery/PenTile hater and just understand with no words spoken.
We all see differently, the same way we taste differently. If we're in the pro-PenTile camp, we need to stop accusing naysayers of being "eagle-eyed" and holding their screens up to their faces. Likewise, for the anti-PenTile camp, there's nothing wrong with other people's vision. We just process the info differently, and we have varying tolerances and expectations.
I was extremely put off by the original Galaxy S PenTile screens, and this was before I even knew what PenTile was. The Atrix screen looked even worse, but for different reasons. Therefore I suspect that the screen on the Galaxy Nexus will disappoint me too, despite the resolution. I see it this way: if you have to raise pixel density a lot just to hide the inherent fault of the display, imagine how much better your screen would be if you had that same density WITHOUT any inherent fault. Yes, at some pixel density, it becomes irrelevant. Given that for me, the Atrix qHD looks very crappy compared to my Evo 3D's qHD screen, I'd say 720p is still not high enough res to cover up the symptoms of PenTile. For me.
People think I'm exaggerating when I describe my distaste for celery. And I bet some of you here think the same thing for my distaste of PenTile. But I can assure you my complaints are very real; I am not trying to find fault intentionally, and I have no motivation to poo-poo pentile technology. It is what it is. It bothers me. I know full well that it doesn't bother a lot of people out there, and I don't think these people are crazy. In fact, I consider them lucky that they have more selection of tolerable phones than me.
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This is what I am afraid of. I read a lot of books on my phone, and I consider Galaxy S to be inadequate for my needs. I really want the GN and a big beautiful screen. And I hope that it I don't notice any visual artifacts, but if it bothers me, I will have to wait.
By the way, thank you to DG. Reading some of the science behind the layout is nice and give me more hope for the GN. Thanks again.
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It's been pointed out several times before and also as you noted, not all pentile screens are the same. Atrix qHD is the worst pentile screen as it's RGBW pentile LCD. But SAMOLED pentile screen uses RGBG pixels looking better even at lower WVGA like Galaxy S you noted. So bumping resolution to 720p HD from WVGA SAMOLED, I can easily see visual defects of pentile like rough edge, crosshatch would practically disappear. Your prediction is based on Atrix qHD, which is worse pentile screen (RGBW pentile LCD).
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Combine the extreme density with the new sub-pixel sizes (assuming they carry over from the Note) and you have a screen that won't look anything like the one on the Galaxy S. I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, but expecting a display to perform poorly based on past experience with a completely different display is pretty much guaranteeing you won't like it, even if it turns out amazing.
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Most of the time dislike for particular foods have more to do with psychological effect of having convinced yourself that you do not like it, rather than detecting something about it that others don't. If you try to taste a new food being sure that you don't like it, you probably won't. No matter how well it's prepared this time.
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This is dead on for me as well. The Bionic's Pentile screen has that screen door or cross hatch effect that is so blatantly obvious that it just bothers me enough to not like the phone.
I am also just more sensitive to stuff like this. For instance, fluorescent lights give me a headache (some people pick up to a wavelength they give off and others don't) as will certain patterned carpets in office buildings etc.
I'm curious if anyone else that is particularly bothered by Pentile displays have similar issues like this or are susceptible to migraines, etc...
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I never had a headache in my life and I love celery. However, I absolutely dislike pentile technology. I notice it on phones the second I look at the screen. I sincerely hope that they've done some magic with GN and Moto droid razr.
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Keep in mind also once the human mind "notices" something it is designed to become more aware of that "thing" its biologically built into us from the hunter gather days.
I had a HUGE audiophile friend once with a studio set up in his basement(special walls etc.) He wanted to show me the difference between a transistor amp and a tube amp. You can hear the difference he said! And I trust is completely right. But I declined because once he pointed out to me, I'd be "ruined"(figuratively speaking) for listening to "normal" music.
For most people the "pentile" / "non-pentile" discussion is exactly the same thing. Only once you "notice" it does it become a issue, and it really doesn't make a difference for 95% of the people and their phones...
I had a HUGE audiophile friend once with a studio set up in his basement(special walls etc.) He wanted to show me the difference between a transistor amp and a tube amp. You can hear the difference he said! And I trust is completely right. But I declined because once he pointed out to me, I'd be "ruined"(figuratively speaking) for listening to "normal" music.
For most people the "pentile" / "non-pentile" discussion is exactly the same thing. Only once you "notice" it does it become a issue, and it really doesn't make a difference for 95% of the people and their phones...
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The catch is that the threshold for which the pattern visibility becomes "retina" varies WIDELY from person to person. And we've also seen from other posts in this thread that the matrix variations also play a part. Some people might tolerate RGBG better than RGBW and vice versa.
On principle, I don't buy the argument that the issue goes away as you increase the resolution, even though it's a true statement. It's like saying that a blurry camera becomes acceptable if you keep adding megapixels to the image. That way you can downsize it and it will appear sharp. Well, yeah, but wouldn't it be better to just have a sharp camera regardless of the megapixels?
But I am also willing to accept that my sensitivity to screendoor effect, edge color aberrations*, color blending, etc. is abnormally high and that the average consumer won't notice or won't care. From a business perspective, that means PenTile is perfectly viable, and from a technology perspective, sometimes you do get something for nothing, like Splenda.
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I've read so many posts about people complaining of the Bionic's screen and others saying they have no issues. It appears to me that some people can see it and others can't or they just live with it.
If I can see pixelation it would really upset me.
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I get your points on others, but this one is not quite right. If a camera lens makes blurry shots due to poor lens, adding more mega pixels won't help the image quality at all. Adding more mega pixels to small sensor actually hurts image quality due to increasing noise and firmware trying to reduce noise and resharpen it in post processing. It results in smeared, rough image with artifacts. Today's small digicams with small 1/2.3" sensor are actually overblown in mega pixel war because marketing folks use people's wrong perception that higher mega pixel equates to better, sharper image.
Theoretically you are right on the visual artifacts, defects of pentile screen. But SAMOLED+ screen with RGB stripe is more costly at the same resolution, so it takes a while until manufacturing cost settles down to reasonable level for phone makers. Honestly at 720p resolution, this won't be issue except for someone like you staring phone at distance less than inch or using magnifier on screen to look for any artifacts. Even on the notorious Bionic screen with RGBW pentile, I couldn't see artifacts until I put it very close to eye.
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The analogy is closer to to comparing 480p video to a 720p video with a higher compression rate.
The 720p will have higher sharpness but if you look closely, you can see more artifacts in the picture. It is a fair trade off depending on how well the compression is executed.
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