I'm not sure why everyone is so hung up with the 8th vs. week of the 12th release dates and what P3 said vs. what PP said. Although the 8th seems to be the rumor with the most backing, they are all just rumors. Don't take any of these dates as anything official. When I see comments like "so it's not the 8th anymore" or "now it's the week of the 12th", it puzzles me. Remember, Verizon has the final say and nothing is official unless they say so. I'll say it again, Verizon said they will release the phone later this year, meaning by 12/31. Hold onto that date and if it releases anytime earlier, you'll be happy.