4.04 or 4.05 update? When?

dhworph said:

Once they quit pushing,
up the date of the update,
then we will get it.

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google/verizon must be getting strong from all the push ups.

^rolling eyes at google/verizon.....not directed at anyone specific......not meant to offend^

If the Galaxy S is supposed to get Ice Cream Sammich soon then does that mean an update for the Nexus? Maybe?

Blue218 said:

If the Galaxy S is supposed to get Ice Cream Sammich soon then does that mean an update for the Nexus? Maybe?

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Where did you see anything about the Galaxy S?? Its not getting ICS its getting a package from Samsung with some ICS features in it like face unlock.

zerocool79346 said:

Where did you see anything about the Galaxy S?? Its not getting ICS its getting a package from Samsung with some ICS features in it like face unlock.

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Nexus S to Receive ICS Update Soon?

I didn't read the article just saw the title....other phones (not Galaxy Nexus) might be getting ICS in a few weeks.....good for them.

Blue218 said:

Nexus S to Receive ICS Update Soon?

I didn't read the article just saw the title....other phones (not Galaxy Nexus) might be getting ICS in a few weeks.....good for them.

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Nexus S has nothing to do with the Galaxy S, you should take it as a good thing that it is getting it, Google originally pulled the 4.0.3 update from the Nexus S almost 2 months ago for bugs, the chances are good we'll see an update soon if they've finally got a stable one for it.

zerocool79346 said:

Nexus S has nothing to do with the Galaxy S, you should take it as a good thing that it is getting it, Google originally pulled the 4.0.3 update from the Nexus S almost 2 months ago for bugs, the chances are good we'll see an update soon if they've finally got a stable one for it.

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Galaxy S???????? I never Mentioned that phone....anyway I do remember 4.3 getting pushed to the Nexus S.....and it was too buggy and messed up so they stopped.....now finally maybe they have a version that works.....4.4/4.5?
I would rather they test things on other phones before we get it anyway.

So I guess the answer to my original question is yes if the update id=s pushed to the Nexus S then shortly after that it should come to the Galaxy Nexus. Why thank you Blue218.....

Blue218 said:

If the Galaxy S is supposed to get Ice Cream Sammich soon then does that mean an update for the Nexus? Maybe?

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Blue218 said:

Galaxy S???????? I never Mentioned that phone....anyway I do remember 4.3 getting pushed to the Nexus S.....and it was too buggy and messed up so they stopped.....now finally maybe they have a version that works.....4.4/4.5?
I would rather they test things on other phones before we get it anyway.

So I guess the answer to my original question is yes if the update id=s pushed to the Nexus S then shortly after that it should come to the Galaxy Nexus. Why thank you Blue218.....

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Yes yes you did.

I thought one of the selling points of this phone was faster updates??? Whats up with that?

snuggles said:

I thought one of the selling points of this phone was faster updates??? Whats up with that?

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I've learned that depends on what your definition of fast is. Apparently those of us with your same point of view have too high of expectations of what a Nexus actually brings to the table. Some feel three months with no update (or hint of one) isn't
a big deal.

Faster yes. That doesn't mean updates will come weekly, it means OS updates will come relatively quickly after Google is done with them. Google releases the update, Verizon tests it and releases it when ready..... whereas with a phone like the Razr, the OS update has to be picked up by Motorola, tweaked and slapped with Motoblah before being released to the carrier, then tested by the carrier, then released when approved. That's why the Moto Razr is still waiting for ICS which came out in December, whereas the Nexus S is already getting it.

red66charger said:

I've learned that depends on what your definition of fast is. Apparently those of us with your same point of view have too high of expectations of what a Nexus actually brings to the table. Some feel three months with no update (or hint of one) isn't
a big deal.

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How exactly can you say no hint when an update has been pushed to AOSP source and another leaked?? Yes, you do have too high of expectations. I don't know if you haven't owned an android before or not, but MANY have gone a year or more without receiving an official OTA update.

The biggest problem I have with 4.0.2 is that calendar entries with long description fields don't get displayed properly. The description field doesn't get displayed fully, and it's practically impossible to view the whole thing. According to Google this was fixed in a later version of ICS, and it does run fine on my Xoom (running 4.0.3 or 4.0.4, I can't remember), but I'd like to see how it works on a phone.

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How exactly can you say no hint when an update has been pushed to AOSP source and another leaked?? Yes, you do have too high of expectations. I don't know if you haven't owned an android before or not, but MANY have gone a year or more without receiving an official OTA update.

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So do you know when the OTA is going to be deployed? I'd sure like to know when I can start using my phone in the office, like my co-workers with RAZRs can. And, I could be wrong, but hasn't Moto and VZW sent updates for RAZR already? I'm coming off a TBolt and if I recall correctly that device received an OTA two months after launch. I'm just saying with all the build up to my first Nexus device, I'm a bit disappointed in Google/VZW's response to a seemingly widespread issue. As a stock user, I did over estimate the significance of owning a Nexus. That's my bad. The 4G/3G connection not working indoors isn't.

There are always going to be bugs with the newest technologies. You have to push the envelope to be the best, and once those bugs are worked out, you're old news and something else is pushing the envelope.

If you really want the newer versions, root it and flash something. I got some cool features, but currently at the expense of horrible battery life compared to stock. The kinks have to be worked out. Google and Verizon have to have time to make the overall experience as pleasing to everyone as possible.

Rooting/ROM'ing is great and all, but it shouldn't be an acceptable excuse to relieve the manufacturers of their responsibilities to address legitimate and widespread issues.

Might one see improved signal reception or fixes to other issues by rooting and ROM'ing? Yes, maybe. Then again, maybe not. In either case, Verizon/Samsung/Google still have a responsibility to address the complaints of the consumer. (Or not.)

Just because you might be able to "fix it yourself" doesn't mean you should have to.

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So do you know when the OTA is going to be deployed? I'd sure like to know when I can start using my phone in the office, like my co-workers with RAZRs can. And, I could be wrong, but hasn't Moto and VZW sent updates for RAZR already? I'm coming off a TBolt and if I recall correctly that device received an OTA two months after launch. I'm just saying with all the build up to my first Nexus device, I'm a bit disappointed in Google/VZW's response to a seemingly widespread issue. As a stock user, I did over estimate the significance of owning a Nexus. That's my bad. The 4G/3G connection not working indoors isn't.

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The problem is, it isn't as widespread as you and the others with problems on here would like it to be. For every person who complains of it, there are likely 10 like me who don't have any connectivity issues. Which leaves you with 3 choices, deal with it, swap it and try another Nexus, or get it replaced with a RAZR. In my opinion, there really isn't much of a point to owning a Nexus if you have no intention of using the unlocking/rooting capabilities. Btw, you got an ota update the minute you powered your phone on, did you not? I understand that you were expecting weekly updates, but that is not the reality of the software world. 4.0.3 has just now become stable enough for release as a base to other phone models, something Google was hoping for 2 months ago when they tried to roll it out to the Nexus S. Shit happens.

I respectfully disagree. I don't think redcharger is exaggerating at all, and singling him or anyone else out as an isolated, somehow wrongfully disgruntled owner doesn't help matters.

I went through two Nexuses before landing on this third one that works like it should out of the box without issues. Statistically speaking, the fact that I got two with the same terrible reception/data issues right in a row, is in itself a massive red flag of a significant problem. Combine that with similar reports from not only this forum, but many, many others including Verizon's own community forums and it's not a stretch to accept that there's more than a few isolated devices that have exhibited reception problems and other less pressing quirks.

I don't understand why it's not ok to believe that some devices have some serious issues. It doesn't affect you personally or diminish in any way your enjoyment of your own phone, so why not be supportive and helpful rather than defaulting to the strawman that someone shouldn't even own a Nexus if they're not going to unlock/root?

Again, regardless of the ease of unlocking/rooting (which btw, doesn't in any way guarantee any sort of bug fix at this point) when did it become en vogue to dismiss a ~$600 piece of consumer electronics that isn't working properly as "cool" or "part of the experience"? That position fails to make even the tiniest modicum of sense to me. I'm actually glad to know there are people of a similar mindset who expect a device to work the way it's advertised.

Edited to ask: Why would anyone on here like the problem to be worse?

The problem is, it isn't as widespread as you and the others with problems on here would like it to be.

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mustardtiger said:

Edited to ask: Why would anyone on here like the problem to be worse?

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Misery loves company? I kid...

zerocool79346 said:

In my opinion, there really isn't much of a point to owning a Nexus if you have no intention of using the unlocking/rooting capabilities.

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I completely disagree with your opinion. I am not unlocked nor rooted.

I wanted a smartphone that:

1. Had a BIG, beautiful HD screen
2. Had a camera that didn't take forever to actually snap a picture
3. Was not loaded down with carrier bloat
4. Would be High-end enough to be supported for at least most, if not all, of the 2-year contract liefspan

Should I return my Nexus (and my nerd card) because I DIDN'T unlock or root? Just because you CAN unlock and root doesn't mean that you MUST in order to not be wasting your time owning the smartphone you want.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

And FYI, my signal is far worse than what I had with the ReZound. I fully expect it to get better when the update comes out so yeah, I'd kind of like to see that update myself sooner rather than later.

bradm77 said:

And FYI, my signal is far worse than what I had with the ReZound. I fully expect it to get better when the update comes out so yeah, I'd kind of like to see that update myself sooner rather than later.

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I hate to say it, and I hope I'm wrong, but for those of you holding out for this update to fix your signal issues, I'm afraid you're setting yourselves up for disappointment.

I base this purely on the fact that the 4.0.4 radios, from most reports I've seen, only really helped 3G/4G hand-off and wifi->(3G or 4G) hand-off. Those that had signal issues on 4.0.2 (again, for the most part) did not have the 4.0.4 radio miraculously fix their poor signal.

Again, I hope I'm wrong...and perhaps this is part of the "delay" (I put it in quotes for the same reason we couldn't really call the Nexus release "delayed", since Google never gave a release date for 4.0.3/4/5/whatever) is that they saw that the 4.0.4 radio firmware had little effect on low signal problems some had, so they are furiously working on another that may fix it. *fingers crossed for you folks affected!*

bradm77 said:

And FYI, my signal is far worse than what I had with the ReZound. I fully expect it to get better when the update comes out so yeah, I'd kind of like to see that update myself sooner rather than later.

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The rezound definitely seems to have terrific reception. I wonder how much it's due to the antenna-on-the-back-case design? That's a heck of a lot of antenna. It's a brilliant design. You could have the best radio in the world but with a sh**y antenna design, the radio can only save you so much.

mustardtiger said:

I respectfully disagree. I don't think redcharger is exaggerating at all, and singling him or anyone else out as an isolated, somehow wrongfully disgruntled owner doesn't help matters.

I went through two Nexuses before landing on this third one that works like it should out of the box without issues. Statistically speaking, the fact that I got two with the same terrible reception/data issues right in a row, is in itself a massive red flag of a significant problem. Combine that with similar reports from not only this forum, but many, many others including Verizon's own community forums and it's not a stretch to accept that there's more than a few isolated devices that have exhibited reception problems and other less pressing quirks.

I don't understand why it's not ok to believe that some devices have some serious issues. It doesn't affect you personally or diminish in any way your enjoyment of your own phone, so why not be supportive and helpful rather than defaulting to the strawman that someone shouldn't even own a Nexus if they're not going to unlock/root?

Again, regardless of the ease of unlocking/rooting (which btw, doesn't in any way guarantee any sort of bug fix at this point) when did it become en vogue to dismiss a ~$600 piece of consumer electronics that isn't working properly as "cool" or "part of the experience"? That position fails to make even the tiniest modicum of sense to me. I'm actually glad to know there are people of a similar mindset who expect a device to work the way it's advertised.

Edited to ask: Why would anyone on here like the problem to be worse?

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I'm sure that you don't see it as exaggerated because you too suffer from the issue. The fact is, by in large forums are where people come to seek help with the issues they have with the phone. That's why I'm saying it is not nearly as widespread an issue as you think it is. The reason I said you would like the problem to be worse is that Google or Samsung either one could afford to ignore a problem that is affecting the majority of their handsets, whereas a problem with a small minority ( I would bet those having serious issues such as you and red are part of a percentage far less than 5 and probably less than 1) can easily be chalked up to product variance in a mass produced good. By the way, I got 3 OG Incs before I got one that would even BOOT completely out of the box. That does not mean that the majority of incredible are crap, which I'm sure the other former incredible owners in here could attest to, it means I, personally, had bad luck. I have no doubt that there are Nexus phones out there with issues, I do however seriously doubt that it is any more of a widespread problem with this model phone than any other phone ever released. Like you said, you did get one that just flat worked and while that's a hassle, if I was red, I would not hesitate to do exactly as you did.

bradm77 said:

I completely disagree with your opinion. I am not unlocked nor rooted.

I wanted a smartphone that:

1. Had a BIG, beautiful HD screen
2. Had a camera that didn't take forever to actually snap a picture
3. Was not loaded down with carrier bloat
4. Would be High-end enough to be supported for at least most, if not all, of the 2-year contract liefspan

Should I return my Nexus (and my nerd card) because I DIDN'T unlock or root? Just because you CAN unlock and root doesn't mean that you MUST in order to not be wasting your time owning the smartphone you want.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

And FYI, my signal is far worse than what I had with the ReZound. I fully expect it to get better when the update comes out so yeah, I'd kind of like to see that update myself sooner rather than later.

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Glad to see you jumped the Rezound ship! I didn't think you would!

No, and that is exactly why I said it was just my opinion. I have no authority to revoke nerd cards but I don't doubt that you will break eventually haha.

I've ran 4.0.3 and 4.0.4 both, neither drastically improved reception (but mine was never bad in the first place), 4.0.4 does drastically improve battery life. That said, the update will come when they feel they have addressed as many problem areas as they can, those that have had reception issues and have ran them have reported varying levels of success as far as reception is concerned but I would bet that Google isn't shooting for "partial" success so why release an unfinished update just to hear the masses bitch them out for it? Its a no win situation, either get griped about for not releasing or get griped about because it didn't fix your problem.

zerocool79346 said:

Yes yes you did.

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Doah! I did...I meant Nexus S not Galaxy S.....my bad....

I never said you must unlock and root your phone to fix it's problems, I said if you want the update bad enough that you can't wait for Google/Verizon to send it ota then by all means root it and flash the not perfected updates. There's a reason they haven't released the updates, because they don't feel that they are good enough.

Me personally, I wanted to give the phone a shot even though I heard so many complaints about it. I live out in the country and my reception still isn't as bad as an iPhone. I never hit 4g,but neither does anyone else in this town. I too expect a device to work, and mine has just fine. If it was as bad as a lot of you are saying then I would have returned it for another device. The coolest phone isn't any good if it doesn't work.

I am not even sure if my reception issues are the same as others here. My phone will occasionally drop calls. It doesn't prompt me that it dropped the call, the call just goes away. I may be 1 minute or 5 minutes into a convo when all of a sudden, the other person can no longer hear me even though I can still hear them. This usually lasts 10-30 seconds, then the call drops. The phone never gives any indication that it is even aware it just dropped a call, but my bars are always all gray when this happens. Then, a minute or two later, the bars go back to blue and I can make/receive calls again.

I live in a 3G only area, and this never happened once in the six weeks that I had a rezound. I have been under the impression that this sort of thing will be addressed with the update though.....................

I bought a Network extender to help with my call signal and this call drop has even happened when I am sitting 10 feet from the extender and not moving at all, so in my mind, that has toi be a phone issue and not a weak signal issue.