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The only thing keeping our family at Verizon right now is our unlimited data. Other carriers seem to have the upper hand on Android devices right now.

I really want a smaller screen so I'm going to pay full retail for this phone if it meets my expectations. I just want a concrete release date.

I am the same way, once they take away unlimited data I will most likely switch carriers since in my area all of the big 4 have good coverage. Not to mention if I go gsm it is much easier to get whatever phone I want without having to rely on the carrier.
 
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I dunno, that leaked Droiddoes page did have every spec about the Inc4G correct. Perhaps it really was set at $299 originally but because of market research, consumer reaction, whatever Verizon did, they decided to drop it to $250?
If that was true they would have dropped it to 199$. Most people said they would be willing to pay 199$ tops for this phone. Also there's solid evidence it was left over from the Razr Maxx page, as clicking the "Buy Now" link took you to the Razr Maxx page.

Let's do a few phone comparisons. Keep in mind, most people have NO idea what an S3 and S4 processor is, so to them they just see "1.5ghz dual core processor" and "1.2ghz dual core processor".

Samsung Galaxy Nexus
Price: 199$1.2ghz OMAP dual-core processor
4.65" inch SAMOLED HD screen
32gb internal storage w/ no microSD card slot
1GB RAM
ICS out of the box
Weight: 144g
Dimensions: 135.5 x 67.94 x 9.47 mm
1850mAh battery
5MP primary camera, 1.3MP FFC
NFC
Bluetooth 3.0
Removable back

HTC Rezound
Price: 199$
1.5ghz Snapdragon S3 dual-core processor
4.3" inch SLCD HD display
1GB RAM
Gingerbread out of the box
Weight: 170g
Dimensions: 129 x 65.5 x 13.65 mm
16GB internal storage w/ 16GB microSD card included
8MP primary camera, 2MP FFC
microSD card slot
1620mAh battery
Bluetooth 3.0
Removable back

Droid Razr
Price: 99$
1.2ghz OMAP 4430 dual-core processor
4.3" inch SAMOLED qHD display
1GB RAM
Gingerbread out of the box
Weight: 127g
Dimensions:130.7 x 68.9 x 7.1 mm
16gb internal storage w/no microSD card included
1780mAh battery
8MP primary camera, 2MP FFC
Bluetooth 4.0
microSD card slot

LG Spectrum

Price: 199$
1.5ghz Snapdragon S3 dual-core processor
4.5" LCD HD display
Gingerbread out of the box
1GB RAM
Weight: 141.5g
Dimensions: 135.4 x 68.8 x 10.4 mm
4GB internal storage w/ 16GB microSD card included
8MP primary camera, 1.3MP FFC
1830mAh battery
microSD card slot
Bluetooth 3.0
Removable back

LG Lucid
Price: 79$
1.2ghz Snapdragon S3 dual-core processor
4" inch LCD WVGA screen
1GB RAM
Gingerbread out of the box
Weight: 142g
Dimensions: 119.1 x 62.2 x 11.4 mm
8gb internal storage w/ no microSD card included
5MP primary camera, VGA FFC
1700mAh battery
Bluetooth 4.0
microSD card slot

HTC Droid Incredible 4G
Price: 249$
1.2ghz Snapdragon S4 dual-core processor
4" inch SLCD(2?) qHD screen
1GB RAM
ICS out of the box
Weight: 132g
Dimensions: 121.9 x 60.9 x 11.6 mm
8gb internal storage w/ no microSD card included
8MP primary camera (possibly with ImageSense chip), VGA FFC
1700mAh battery
NFC
Bluetooth 4.0
Removable Back
microSD Slot


The Incredible 4G is almost on par to the Lucid spec wise, besides processor and camera. And to the general user they just see "1.2ghz dual core processor" so it won't make a difference to them. The camera, better screen, and the S4 processor would make it worth 149$ at most. 199$ for Verizon because they like to overprice their handsets.
 
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I refuse to believe this phone will be priced at 249$. I think ghost88 might have been misinformed. Come on, 8gb internal storage w/ no microsd card, 4" qhd slcd screen, 1.2 ghz dual core processor (s4 wont matter to a lot of people), and a vga front camera. The pure fact theyre not including a microSD card makes me think they're going to price it a lot lower. If they price it at 249$, NO ONE will buy it. Everyone who was planning to get it on launch day regardless of price should wait, just so they drop the price from lack of units being sold.

Sadly, I'm thinking it'll be true since ghost88 is a verizon sales rep. I've pretty much given up on this phone because of the pricing and am going to wait for the Galaxy S3 :/
 
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$249 is out of the question for this phone. Why not spend the extra and get the Galaxy S3? Or go less and get a Nexus?


[FONT=&quot]Some of us just don't want a 4.3" phone. I would rather have an updated 3.7" phone, but will do the 4" tops... Most people as mentioned above numerous times will not care about memory, processor, etc... Etc... Etc... They will go to Verizon, look at the phone... (Is it appealing to the eye..? Does it have 4G?) Yes and Yes... $249.00?? OK I'll take it... Just my opinion, but I think that is what will go through the head of the average smart phone user. They won't say, well I can get me a 4.3" Samsung Nexus with an HD screen and a bit faster processor for a little bit less. Most people (including myself) look to see if the phone is even appealing to their eye first. Just like I will never buy a Mot phone, simply because I can't get past the look. Could care less what's in it... But that's just me... If we could get everybody to hold off on buying this so Verizon drops the price, I’m all for it, but what percent of the smart phone user population do you think represents this forum? 2% or less??[/FONT]
 
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Sadly, I'm thinking it'll be true since ghost88 is a verizon sales rep. I've pretty much given up on this phone because of the pricing and am going to wait for the Galaxy S3 :/
The price could change within the next few weeks before launch. Also, the guy who told him the price could have been wrong.

[FONT=&quot]Some of us just don't want a 4.3" phone. I would rather have an updated 3.7" phone, but will do the 4" tops... Most people as mentioned above numerous times will not care about memory, processor, etc... Etc... Etc... They will go to Verizon, look at the phone... (Is it appealing to the eye..? Does it have 4G?) Yes and Yes... $249.00?? OK I'll take it... Just my opinion, but I think that is what will go through the head of the average smart phone user. They won't say, well I can get me a 4.3" Samsung Nexus with an HD screen and a bit faster processor for a little bit less. Most people (including myself) look to see if the phone is even appealing to their eye first. Just like I will never buy a Mot phone, simply because I can't get past the look. Could care less what's in it... But that's just me... If we could get everybody to hold off on buying this so Verizon drops the price, I’m all for it, but what percent of the smart phone user population do you think represents this forum? 2% or less??[/FONT]

He was just trying to make a point that to most people you could get a seemingly better phone for a little more or a little less.
Everyone should tell anyone they know planning to buy the phone to hold of buying it, and get their friends to do the same. Maybe even start a petition online..? Make sure people know they're getting ripped off and whatnot. I really REALLY want to get rid of this LG Ally, and it's extremely disappointing to know I won't be able to do that anytime soon.
 
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Been lurking...
I have to say, it's all about effective management.
For those who won't micro manage or take the time to understand an app like Juice Defender, you will have horrible LTE battery life by letting it freely be connected the whole time the device is turned on.
I don't even do that with 3G. Leaving it on when not needed is a waste. You walk out of a room and turn the light switch off, usually, huh?
Nuff said...

You shouldn't have to micro-manage. It's a smart phone. It's, in theory, supposed to be connected to data at all times. I leave data turned on on my phone 24/7. I can get a day and a half of battery life. That's what I'm looking for in an LTE phone.
 
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You shouldn't have to micro-manage. It's a smart phone. It's, in theory, supposed to be connected to data at all times. I leave data turned on on my phone 24/7. I can get a day and a half of battery life. That's what I'm looking for in an LTE phone.

They are smartphones, but they aren't self aware. There are so many factors that go into battery life, it would be almost impossible to develop a program to account for them. The big ones are signal strength, how many apps are running in the background (and how many of those are using data), 3G or 4G, screen on time, screen brightness, screen size, processor speed, and on and on. And the biggest factor in battery life is the end user. That's why battery issues are hard to nail down. What maybe moderate use to one person is heavy use for another.

I see you currently have an Incredible2, and you get around a day and a half. I was able to get around 2 days with mine. With my Rezound I can get a day out of it with the same use. In both cases I'm on wifi 90% of the time, but that .3" of screen really makes a difference. It also doesn't help that the LTE radio is pretty much a holdover from the Thunderbolt, with some tweaks. Going to the S4 on the Inc4g should make a big difference along with the smaller screen. But LTE will be a big drain until a breakthrough in battery tech is made. LTE is faster than 3G, and as with anything else the faster something goes, the more energy it consumes, & going from 3G to LTE speeds, that's a huge difference. I know you say you want long battery life out of your LTE smartphone, but so far the only one to crack out the times you are talking about is the Razr Maxx, and that's only because they've basically put an extended capacity battery in there standard. I truly believe that's the main reason we didn't see an LTE iphone yet. And I think the only reason we may see one this year is because of Verizon's mandate that all new phones released this year on their network must be LTE.

I really don't know what else to tell you. At this point, unless everyone follows the Razr Maxx model, LTE phones are going to get around a day in between charges. That's the price you pay for a big screen LTE smartphone. Now when I put my extended battery in I can get the times you are hoping for. So your best options are to manage the data yourself, get an app that you can setup to manage it for you, get an extended battery, or get a phone with a large capacity standard. We can get angry about it all we want, but that's the reality right now.
 
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They are smartphones, but they aren't self aware. There are so many factors that go into battery life, it would be almost impossible to develop a program to account for them. The big ones are signal strength, how many apps are running in the background (and how many of those are using data), 3G or 4G, screen on time, screen brightness, screen size, processor speed, and on and on. And the biggest factor in battery life is the end user. That's why battery issues are hard to nail down. What maybe moderate use to one person is heavy use for another.

I really don't know what else to tell you. At this point, unless everyone follows the Razr Maxx model, LTE phones are going to get around a day in between charges. That's the price you pay for a big screen LTE smartphone. Now when I put my extended battery in I can get the times you are hoping for. So your best options are to manage the data yourself, get an app that you can setup to manage it for you, get an extended battery, or get a phone with a large capacity standard. We can get angry about it all we want, but that's the reality right now.

AMEN, brother vzwuser!
 
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They are smartphones, but they aren't self aware. There are so many factors that go into battery life, it would be almost impossible to develop a program to account for them. The big ones are signal strength, how many apps are running in the background (and how many of those are using data), 3G or 4G, screen on time, screen brightness, screen size, processor speed, and on and on. And the biggest factor in battery life is the end user. That's why battery issues are hard to nail down. What maybe moderate use to one person is heavy use for another.

I see you currently have an Incredible2, and you get around a day and a half. I was able to get around 2 days with mine. With my Rezound I can get a day out of it with the same use. In both cases I'm on wifi 90% of the time, but that .3" of screen really makes a difference. It also doesn't help that the LTE radio is pretty much a holdover from the Thunderbolt, with some tweaks. Going to the S4 on the Inc4g should make a big difference along with the smaller screen. But LTE will be a big drain until a breakthrough in battery tech is made. LTE is faster than 3G, and as with anything else the faster something goes, the more energy it consumes, & going from 3G to LTE speeds, that's a huge difference. I know you say you want long battery life out of your LTE smartphone, but so far the only one to crack out the times you are talking about is the Razr Maxx, and that's only because they've basically put an extended capacity battery in there standard. I truly believe that's the main reason we didn't see an LTE iphone yet. And I think the only reason we may see one this year is because of Verizon's mandate that all new phones released this year on their network must be LTE.

I really don't know what else to tell you. At this point, unless everyone follows the Razr Maxx model, LTE phones are going to get around a day in between charges. That's the price you pay for a big screen LTE smartphone. Now when I put my extended battery in I can get the times you are hoping for. So your best options are to manage the data yourself, get an app that you can setup to manage it for you, get an extended battery, or get a phone with a large capacity standard. We can get angry about it all we want, but that's the reality right now.

I'm rarely on wifi. I just don't have access to it anywhere but home so I live on 3G. Obviously it's slower than wifi. I tried out the Rezound once. How you get a day on it is beyond me. The same usage that gets me 15-16 hours to a day and a half on my DInc2 got me until lunch time on the Rezound. I hated that phone. I felt like I was constantly tied to a charger. What is the point of having a cell phone that has to be tied to a charger all day? Might as well get a landline. Obviously a cell phone with a dead battery is completely useless.

I think the next iPhone almost has to have LTE in it especially since the iPad does. Now, the iPad does it by essentially adding a laptop battery to the thing. Maybe they'll do the same with the iPhone. I don't know. I think it has to have it in order to be competitive. I don't think anyone is going to buy a phone that doesn't have 4G capabilities right now. I certainly wouldn't.

As a side note, $249 for this phone is a non-starter for me. I'm not close to being interested at that price.
 
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The same usage that gets me 15-16 hours to a day and a half on my DInc2 got me until lunch time on the Rezound. I hated that phone.

+1, but I have the original Inc and got similar results as you. Took the Rezound back as well. Hated it. I am beginning to think that if this phone comes out at $249, I'll just hang back and wait for reviews and maybe a price drop, if I am interested after reading reviews.
 
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I'm rarely on wifi. I just don't have access to it anywhere but home so I live on 3G. Obviously it's slower than wifi. I tried out the Rezound once. How you get a day on it is beyond me. The same usage that gets me 15-16 hours to a day and a half on my DInc2 got me until lunch time on the Rezound. I hated that phone. I felt like I was constantly tied to a charger. What is the point of having a cell phone that has to be tied to a charger all day? Might as well get a landline. Obviously a cell phone with a dead battery is completely useless.

I think the next iPhone almost has to have LTE in it especially since the iPad does. Now, the iPad does it by essentially adding a laptop battery to the thing. Maybe they'll do the same with the iPhone. I don't know. I think it has to have it in order to be competitive. I don't think anyone is going to buy a phone that doesn't have 4G capabilities right now. I certainly wouldn't.

As a side note, $249 for this phone is a non-starter for me. I'm not close to being interested at that price.

In a perfect world you'd be correct, but like I said, this the reality we currently have. You said what is the point of having a cellphone if you can't get over a day of battery life out of it. But the difference is these are smartphones, and ones setup for high speed data transfer. A cellphone is just that, a cell PHONE. Any dumbphone can get around 4-5 days on a charge. Blackberries, which don't give you as full of a web experience and have a smaller screen can make similar times as well. The first crop of androids, with a fuller web experience in 3G but smaller screens (about 4" max) get you around 1-2 days off a charge. Move up to a 4.3" plus smartphone & add LTE and you're looking at .5-1 day from a charge, unless they come with (or you purchase separately) an extended battery. They may be able to help battery life a bit by going to 28nm CPUs with the LTE radio built in, but we're still held back by current battery tech. Look it up on the web & you'll see many articles on hardware advancement vs battery advancement. It's what we have to deal with. The landline analogy doesn't really fit because a landline can't even do all the things a dumbphone can do, let alone a smartphone. Plus, they're plugged into a wall, so obviously there'd ne no worries about battery life with them. The problem you & I have is I'm arguing how it is, and you're arguing how it could/ should be. Going that route I don't understand why we don't have cars that drive themselves, or everything in a house that's self cleaning. But the reality is we're a while away from that, just like we probably are from long lasting LTE phones. By the time they are finally efficient, we'll already probably be on the brink of the next data standard. That's technological advancement, somethings move faster than others, in this case hardware is moving faster than battery tech. When new tech comes in the first thing they try to do is make it fast. The next thing they try to do is optimize it for speed AND efficiency.
 
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I don't think anyone is going to buy a phone that doesn't have 4G capabilities right now. I certainly wouldn't.

I guaran-damn-tee you all the sheep-le would buy another version of the Iphone even if it didn't have 4G. They'd all complain about it, but they'd still buy it.

Someone should make a fake website with a press-release and sign up for pre-order of a iphone 4SX or something like that. Bet you'd get tens of thousands of orders.
 
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4G is worth it if you can get it in your area and if you can get it on a decent phone. Two big ifs. I can get 4G here, but have not found a decent 4G phone. The one's I've seen are all gigantic bricks that you could beat a mugger to death with if you wanted to or they get crappy battery life. Sometimes both.
 
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