OFFICIAL ICS COMING SOON thread... Post all questions and info here!!!!

Bugly · May 21, 2012

euph_22 said:
pretty much right on, although they're concerned about bricked phones being returned under warranty, not insurance. Verizon doesn't provide they insurance, Asurion does. it doesn't really cost Verizon anything if you file an insurance claim.

They're also concerned about people using root to bypass the pay wall on certain features (like tethering) in ways that are clearly illegal (ie hacking the Verizon hotspot app). In short they have some legitimate concerns among the crap.

Personally i think they should provide an root code (or something similar) on request with the condition that you loss warranty protection on any software issues.

Still doesn't explain the locked bootloader, when other manufacturers are unlocked. Still doesn't explain why, since they can monitor your data usage whether you are rooted or not, they would even bother with the illegal tethering use. I don't tether, nor do many people I know. If someone does, shut 'em down, don't lock the bootloader and vilify the customers that want root access.

euph_22 · May 21, 2012

Bugly said:
Still doesn't explain the locked bootloader, when other manufacturers are unlocked. Still doesn't explain why, since they can monitor your data usage whether you are rooted or not, they would even bother with the illegal tethering use. I don't tether, nor do many people I know. If someone does, shut 'em down, don't lock the bootloader and vilify the customers that want root access.

Verizon isn't a manufacturer and isn't responsible for the locked bootloader. Not sure what you're talking about with that...

And you must have missed my entire first paragraph about how the carrier and the OEM want to avoid warranty returns from people screwing up their rooted devices. You must have also missed how I was specifically talking about hacking Verizon's tethering app.

And for the record, while Verizon can restrict tethering from the Network side of the equation, that is much more resource intensive and requires a much more hostile approach. It's much cheaper for them to put a few basic client side security measures in place instead. Which is what they did.

Martimus · May 22, 2012

Topic in this thread is ICS for the RAZR... not Verizon's reasons for locking bootloader. Can we please try to stay close to being on topic?

Bugly · May 22, 2012

please excuse the off topic discussion, wasn't intended to go that way

Misleadb4 · May 22, 2012

So... Is this the eve of ICS, or just another delay tactic from our favorite manafacturer. Im going to sleep now, and when i check (like i always do first thing) in the morning, i want results, not excuses. Ive been quiet, hoping on the subject that theyll finally release somthing, anything with 4.whatever.

Venting before bed. Excuse myself for the sleepy rant.
Ics zzzz. Ics zzzz. Ics.

DrDiff · May 23, 2012

But will Verizon push it?

arparaspolo said:
RAZR(MAXX) Will get ICS Q2. Straight from the horses(motorola) mouth.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c

NealJ777 · May 23, 2012

Now that Google officially owns Motorola Mobility, I don't see why they're having problems updating their phones and yet everyone else seems to already have ICS.

There are no Motorola phones with ICS (at this time):

PC Magazine article

Szadzik · May 23, 2012

NealJ777 said:
Now that Google officially owns Motorola Mobility, I don't see why they're having problems updating their phones and yet everyone else seems to already have ICS.

There are no Motorola phones with ICS (at this time):

PC Magazine article

How long has Google owned Motorola? 1 day? Wow, that is a long time to change something in SW.

wxman2003 · May 23, 2012

Don't expect Google to roll out ICS to current Motorola phones. That's in the hands of the cell phone providers. And in the future, don't expect Google to push future updates to Motorola phones first. Motorola needs to keep the big producer of android phones happy, such as Samsung. If they start showing favortism to Motorola, Samsung will surely abandon Android. The last thing any of the phone makers want to see is another Apple like controlled os and phone market. IMO, Motorola will become the bastard child of Google and will not be treated well so as to keep the others happy. I wouldn't be surprised to see Google sell off Motorola and just keep the patents.

CharlieD · May 23, 2012

whalebus said:
Possible 5/21 OTA if ICS update passes testing phase of 4/19-5/17.

Verizon Device Update Schedule Leaks in Full

pumbaa672 · May 23, 2012

If you look closer at the ICS image then wait till 5/23 11:59pm EST. Yes it says EST. If at 1am EDT and there is no OTA then start complaining about the leaked image.

Szadzik · May 23, 2012

wxman2003 said:
... And in the future, don't expect Google to push future updates to Motorola phones first. Motorola needs to keep the big producer of android phones happy, such as Samsung. If they start showing favortism to Motorola, Samsung will surely abandon Android....

Samsung have made so much money on Android, that whatever Google does, Samsung will never leave the OS. Android got them to the top and they will not kill the cow that gives so much milk because of Google's partnership with Motorola.

wxman2003 · May 23, 2012

Szadzik said:
Samsung have made so much money on Android, that whatever Google does, Samsung will never leave the OS. Android got them to the top and they will not kill the cow that gives so much milk because of Google's partnership with Motorola.

Don't bet on it. Samsung dictates to Google on android, not the other way around. If Samsung were to leave android, Google and android os would fade away and google knows it. Motorola is not worth owning and updating first to have that happen. Within a year, Motorola will be sold off. Google will keep the patents. Motorola will fade away.

Ultimateone · May 23, 2012

CharlieD said:
I take it this is no longer valid (ICS on 5/21)?

Most likely yes, but we are super close with all the leaks floating around.

Kelmar · May 23, 2012

pumbaa672 said:
If you look closer at the ICS image then wait till 5/23 11:59pm EST. Yes it says EST. If at 1am EDT and there is no OTA then start complaining about the leaked image.

Even then, we must remember that is is just a leak and that until an official statement is released by VZW that we are all just hoping and guessing.

euph_22 · May 23, 2012

wxman2003 said:
Don't expect Google to roll out ICS to current Motorola phones. That's in the hands of the cell phone providers. And in the future, don't expect Google to push future updates to Motorola phones first. Motorola needs to keep the big producer of android phones happy, such as Samsung. If they start showing favortism to Motorola, Samsung will surely abandon Android. The last thing any of the phone makers want to see is another Apple like controlled os and phone market. IMO, Motorola will become the bastard child of Google and will not be treated well so as to keep the others happy. I wouldn't be surprised to see Google sell off Motorola and just keep the patents.

Google doesn't "roll out" software for any devices (except for the Nexuses). Google writes the core software, the OEM's pick that up and write the device specific code, and lastly the carriers sign off on it and distribute the software (which is hosted on a Google server).

jimd1050 · May 24, 2012

...but I want it now! :mad:

Regards,

Jim D.

DrDiff · May 24, 2012

Have the phone waiting patiently.

Skeeter125 · May 25, 2012

Well looks like the 23 is out the window to like some leaked documents were showing.

Rip_in_LV · May 27, 2012

I just replaced my Rezound with Razor Maxx two days ago and I just rec'd the ready to update OTA message for (6.12.181.en.US). The update is in progress now. Is this the ICS OTA update?

Never mind...I just found the answer so I'll patiently wait for the ICS update. Yep...I'm a doofus!
Thanks,
Rip

bellringa · May 27, 2012

I just got razr maxx last week and I love it. I watched the motorla ICS videos and this phone is gonna get even sweeter I cannot wait!!!!

Nick1850 · May 27, 2012

But can someone enlighten me about what is so special at this ICS that everyone wants it ?
I just bought a RAZR Max and I was wondering what that new thing everyone is so excited about will bring to my phone.

jroc · May 27, 2012

Nick1850 said:
But can someone enlighten me about what is so special at this ICS that everyone wants it ?
I just bought a RAZR Max and I was wondering what that new thing everyone is so excited about will bring to my phone.

Like going from Win 98 to XP or XP to Vista/Win7. Different look, functions, hopefully better performance. Some things are nice in ICS. Overall I liked it when I had a G Nex. Data manager and the task switcher are 2 of my favorite features. Usually upgrading to a new OS , its better. I believe it is in this case too.

And everyone usually just wants the latest n greatest. I have 2.0.1 on my Droid 1, had to wipe it clean, start over and that was the only version I could get my hands on at the time. It was good seeing the progression Android made over the years from 2.0.1 to 4.0.

Adauth · May 27, 2012

wxman2003 said:
Don't bet on it. Samsung dictates to Google on android, not the other way around. If Samsung were to leave android, Google and android os would fade away and google knows it. Motorola is not worth owning and updating first to have that happen. Within a year, Motorola will be sold off. Google will keep the patents. Motorola will fade away.

If android lost Samsung devices, ya it would be a hit, but the end of android? no shot

Nick1850 · May 27, 2012

Which is more root/unlock bootloader friendly ? And honestly I prefer at any time XP over Vista(but I got ur point, and thanx for info).

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