Nexus 7 will be a flop

RichSz said:

I agree with the bolded statement and disagree with the rest.

Non-tech people only know the iPad because that's all they hear about. The media loses their minds when anything new is learned about them and Apple actually advertises. Google needs to learn that lesson. If the N7 were iPad compatible (not even possible in an alternate bizarro reality), it would be a runaway success.

I find the iPads and Android tablets night-and-day different. Mine, for example, is a better synthesizer than real synthesizers I own (I don't own any top end synths). It's fantastic for "jotting" down quick musical ideas. Android has only two synths I've heard of which aren't plagued by so much lag that they are unplayable. I wish the reverse was true but those are the facts.

The games I tend to play on my iPad are unique to it. Again, I wish that weren't true. I hate Apple and it's walled garden but I can't ignore the facts.

Finally, developers don't flock to Android because Android users don't like to pay for things. If they can make money off of iOS, why bother with Android?

I'm not attacking you and I hope you don't feel that way. I just disagree. May Google evolve and prove me wrong!

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I would just like to offer that multimedia creation is an area where Apple dominates. Obviously this matters to you, so it seems like a big deal. That same portion that cares about the iPad because it's what they hear don't give a care about your synth program, or a scratch/dj app, or garageband, etc. Most people aren't musicians... so this market (which Apple caters to) probably isn't a big deal to Google, or it's developers.

Should there be apps for this market, sure. But let's face it, Musicians do care about the image they're projecting on stage... having a shiny apple is something Android devices will simply never have, so what's the point of creating a product that can't meet the users image needs?

While there are a few iOS Exclusive games, again, this is what you're exposed to being that you own an iOS device, so that's what you gravitate towards. You can't deny that the market has shifted dramatically over the last year. Nowadays, just about any AAA title is being developed for both Android and iOS (See Max Payne Mobile, GTA3, etc).

Not disagreeing with you, in fact I agree on the points you mentioned. However if you look at the apps that common people use, they can be found on both Android and Apple.

I think the nexus 7 will be a great entry into the tablet market for google. I mean you can't compare this to the n1 because they are already advertising the crap out of the nexus 7 especially online. Not to mention android is more main stream than it was when the n1 was available.

RichSz said:

I agree with the bolded statement and disagree with the rest.

Non-tech people only know the iPad because that's all they hear about. The media loses their minds when anything new is learned about them and Apple actually advertises. Google needs to learn that lesson. If the N7 were iPad compatible (not even possible in an alternate bizarro reality), it would be a runaway success.

I find the iPads and Android tablets night-and-day different. Mine, for example, is a better synthesizer than real synthesizers I own (I don't own any top end synths). It's fantastic for "jotting" down quick musical ideas. Android has only two synths I've heard of which aren't plagued by so much lag that they are unplayable. I wish the reverse was true but those are the facts.

The games I tend to play on my iPad are unique to it. Again, I wish that weren't true. I hate Apple and it's walled garden but I can't ignore the facts.

Finally, developers don't flock to Android because Android users don't like to pay for things. If they can make money off of iOS, why bother with Android?

I'm not attacking you and I hope you don't feel that way. I just disagree. May Google evolve and prove me wrong!

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All comes down to $$$$. I know various people with android tablets and do not care "how many tablet optimized games more the ipad has compared to android" All they care is that they can browse the web and play normal games on their tablet. At $200 I think this is going to be a lot better seller simply because it is damn cheap. I mean price was always the main deterring factor for people and at this price point I think it will be the thing that finally gets more people on board. That plus the good specs in the nexus will leave a good taste in peoples mouths rather than the skinned versions they are used to and the issues along with it.

You could hear the collective yawn from blocks away

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That made me laugh... I sit in an office with a die hard Apple fan and he actually did the exact opposite of yawn. He was truly impressed by the hardware and price point of the N7.... And he commented on how smooth the OS seemed on stage.

Plus he thought it was really cool to see a live feed instead of some sh!ty live blog and still pics like we see every year from WWDC.

This little tablet will be huge and if pushed with marketing- huuuge.

Though us local storage lovers will not get it, the good news is the price for tablet we would get will probably drop to stay competitive Or, could just go away .....

I hate reading stuff like this. Its going to a great tab. And you can't beat that dam price.

I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem, maybe its because I work in the tech field but I constantly feel like I have to defend the Android platform from people who have never even used it before. Even from other professionals that should know better or at least have more of an open mind to tech. Its like they've been defending apple for so long (Pre ubber coolness) that they have forgotten what is was like to be the unknown factor.

burtonvdp said:

I'm not sure if anyone else has this problem, maybe its because I work in the tech field but I constantly feel like I have to defend the Android platform from people who have never even used it before. Even from other professionals that should know better or at least have more of an open mind to tech. Its like they've been defending apple for so long (Pre ubber coolness) that they have forgotten what is was like to be the unknown factor.

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THIS. There are people I know that say that android is buggy and slow and yet they've never even used one! That's when I throw my evo at them and ask them where the problems are. Fight the ignorance my friend.

burtonvdp said:

That made me laugh... I sit in an office with a die hard Apple fan and he actually did the exact opposite of yawn. He was truly impressed by the hardware and price point of the N7.... And he commented on how smooth the OS seemed on stage.

Plus he thought it was really cool to see a live feed instead of some sh!ty live blog and still pics like we see every year from WWDC.

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I took away that people there were extremely impressed. Not surprising since it was an audience that paid Google nearly $1,000 a head to attend. It was basically an audience of fanboys.

A.Nonymous said:

I took away that people there were extremely impressed. Not surprising since it was an audience that paid Google nearly $1,000 a head to attend. It was basically an audience of fanboys.

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Since its only open to developers and media, it's a write-off for many. I don't doubt there were some fanboys, but I'm also positive some WWDC vets were there, and were equally impressed as said fanboys.

AntimonyER said:

Since its only open to developers and media, it's a write-off for many. I don't doubt there were some fanboys, but I'm also positive some WWDC vets were there, and were equally impressed as said fanboys.

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Take a look at Engadget's coverage. Calling them android fanboys couldn't be father from the truth. Still seemed impressed with it though...

AntimonyER said:

Since its only open to developers and media, it's a write-off for many. I don't doubt there were some fanboys, but I'm also positive some WWDC vets were there, and were equally impressed as said fanboys.

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The same could be said for Apple's developer conference. The vast majority of the attendees are going to be pre-disposed to like the product. Google could've rolled out a piece of crap and it would've received glowing reviews from a significant portion of the audience. Companies roll out devices at conferences like this specifically for that reason.

I do think the Glass announcement was so over the top cool, it may have pushed the reviews of the rest of the keynote a little more positive than they might have otherwise been...

AntimonyER said:

I do think the Glass announcement was so over the top cool, it may have pushed the reviews of the rest of the keynote a little more positive than they might have otherwise been...

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I disagree... Glass has nothing to do with the other products announced... it's not even a product yet. Also, it's really showing anything that new. People can do this with Gopro and Contour cameras hooked up to a video transmitter already. The cool part about Glass hasn't even been effectively demonstrated yet... that's what I'm waiting for. What does the HUD look like, and how do you interact with it?

A.Nonymous said:

I think it's foolish to compare it to the iPad as it is to compare the KF to the iPad. It's a 7" vs 10" and the price point is completely different. You could buy 2-3 Nexuses (Nexi??) for the price of one iPad. It's just an apples to oranges comparison.

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Actually, it's more foolish to make the assumption that it can't be compared to the iPad. Just because the Nexus 7 is really meant more to be a direct competitor to the Kindle Fire and can equally stomp all over it as well as the Nook, doesn't mean it is not a serious competitor to the iPad as well. It most certainly stomps all over the iPad 2 and iPad 1.
An iPad is a purely stock Apple device. This Nexus 7 is Google first purely stock Android tablet experience. When your product does 95% of what the competitor's product does for less than half the price, you can be certain it can mostly definitely compete with it. The 9.7" vs 7" isn't very relevant and doesn't automatically disqualify the Nexus 7 as a strong competitor to the iPad.
If people bother to actually take into consideration how much more portable a 16:10 aspect ratio 7" device is over a 4:3 9.7" device, I think the majority of them would prefer 7".
When people decide to do their own research, many will decide that the iPad is not worth the $300 price premium over the Nexus 7, and the only reason they would have to really buy the iPad at the point is simply just to be able to say they own an iPad!
It's sad, but that's the way so many of these ignorant consumers are.
When I was in Best Buy yesterday, I opened up Safari on each of the iPads in the store, as well as a few Android tablets, and put them all on the Play Store page for the Nexus 7 to help spread awareness that they have more options than just the iPad. =] I also put on youtube videos of Siri vs Google Now, as well as the iPad smartcover drop test because I overheard a couple talking about getting a cover and they were wondering if there was an otterbox case for the iPad.
Yeah, I trolled a bit, but for the better of mankind.

c4v3man said:

It'll be interesting to see what the Kindle Fire 2 looks like. Honestly I fail to see it being quad core/as fast as the N7, but likely to be more like the existing Kindle Fire, with a few tweaks.

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If that's all the KF2 is, then Google has nothing to worry about. I have spent five months with the original KF and the addition of basic tablet amenities like a camera and better display is not going to put it at the level of the N7, at least as far as I can tell from N7 ads. The combination of Amazon's limited, poorly maintained App store and the Fire's castrated version of Android is maddeningly restrictive.

I have the new iPad and I look forward to testing its performance against the N7's. As I hope to develop for both platforms, I see no reason to hope one fails

A.Nonymous said:

The same could be said for Apple's developer conference. The vast majority of the attendees are going to be pre-disposed to like the product. Google could've rolled out a piece of crap and it would've received glowing reviews from a significant portion of the audience. Companies roll out devices at conferences like this specifically for that reason.

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Granted though, you definitely don't see Apple giving out free iPhones, iPads, or Apple tv's at WWDC however. I think I will be buying a student ticket to Google I/O next year, as it will be my last chance as a student to attend.

TauxiC said:

Granted though, you definitely don't see Apple giving out free iPhones, iPads, or Apple tv's at WWDC however. I think I will be buying a student ticket to Google I/O next year, as it will be my last chance as a student to attend.

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Those are only like $300 right? Plus airfare, food, hotel... Still better than a grand

DanielM426 said:

Those are only like $300 right? Plus airfare, food, hotel... Still better than a grand

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Yeah student tickets were $300. As far as hotels and airfare, my dad's job as a project manager for a certain software database company known as Oracle....has that covered. ;]

I don't think this one will be a flop but I believe Google will pull the 'Apple' move and come out with the next version with better specs at the same price range.

Hopefully I can talk Mrs. Saptech into letting me get one now!

saptech said:

I don't think this one will be a flop but I believe Google will pull the 'Apple' move and come out with the next version with better specs at the same price range.

Hopefully I can talk Mrs. Saptech into letting me get one now!

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Atleast we can expect our tablets to be the current generation for more than 5 weeks unlike the next ithing

I'm stoked to get mine now.

I haven't read much in the way of negative stuff about this piece, so I imagine any negative reviews will garner some additional attention from folks, even if it is an apples to oranges comparison.

I won't be getting the Nexus 7,but only because I have a Samsung Galaxy 2. I got that when it came out and have never even considered returning it. I use the Galaxy 2 every day while on the road. The GPS chip set means I have a fully functional GPS unit with a 7 inch screen, I use Navfree USA as the navigation app, I have Docs to go for office work, EZ PDF Reader for marking up pdf files, add in Drop Box and Ever note and I can function as the road warrior I am. By the way my Android phone acts as a mobile hot spot so I can get anything I might need from the office. The only difference between the Galaxy 2 and the Nexus 7 would seem to be the lack of a sd/micro sd card in the Nexus. The 7 inch form factor means that the device fits on the dash without obstructing the view, so it functions as an almost perfect mobile device. My advice for anyone considering purchasing a tablet is to take a moment and figure out what you want to use it for. 10 inch for multimedia files like movies, and the 7 inch for use on the road in the car. Just my thoughts on the subject.