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johnlgalt · Jul 26, 2012

So, with the newly announced Photon Q, Motorola is stepping up and saying that they are finally making the unlocked bootloader a reality.

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While there is no specific mention of which other phones they plan on unlocking (and the verbiage seems to currently only indicate future phones) what do you think this means for our BIONICS?

tehsusenoh · Jul 27, 2012

I think this means absolutely nothing to us Bionic owners. The verbiage, like you said, indicates that it will be for future phones, and not ours. We're going to have to continue like this, and go for the kexec instead.

The only thing that might be positive is that we can reverse-engineer how these phones are able to be unlocked, then apply that to older phones.

dautley · Jul 27, 2012

johnlgalt said:
So, with the newly announced Photon Q, Motorola is stepping up and saying that they are finally making the unlocked bootloader a reality.

Motorola PHOTON

While there is no specific mention of which other phones they plan on unlocking (and the verbiage seems to currently only indicate future phones) what do you think this means for our BIONICS?

This is going to be a Sprint phone, Verizon likes locked boot loaders.

tehsusenoh · Jul 27, 2012

dautley said:
This is going to be a Sprint phone, Verizon likes locked boot loaders.

I mean, I half get Verizon's want for locked bootloaders, as they want a consistent experience to be able to support, but the people who know how to unlock the phones, and want to do fun stuff with them are exactly the people who wouldn't call Verizon up for support.

And for their security reason where they think that unlocked bootloaders will somehow compromise their networks, that's a completely BS reason. They have every other carrier as evidence to see that locked bootloaders don't do anything.

trophynuts · Jul 27, 2012

i'll believe this when i see it. We've only been waiting over a year for Moto to do what they said they wold do.

Thom · Jul 27, 2012

... I'm with you 101%. I'll believe it after I hear that fiver other people have successfully made it through.

The opperative apprach IMNHO is ... NEVER believe a word of what they tell you until it is released and tested by at least five others. (Case in point ... the last Droid X OTA).

... Thom

tehsusenoh · Jul 27, 2012

trophynuts said:
i'll believe this when i see it. We've only been waiting over a year for Moto to do what they said they wold do.

Unfortunately they have done exactly what they had said. They said they would unlock bootloaders if the carriers allowed it.

We can't hold their words against them because it's mostly the carriers fault for not letting them unlock the phones.

trophynuts · Jul 27, 2012

tehsusenoh said:
Unfortunately they have done exactly what they had said. They said they would unlock bootloaders if the carriers allowed it.

We can't hold their words against them because it's mostly the carriers fault for not letting them unlock the phones.

yeah i see you're point but i respectfully don't agree. I still blame Moto for half of it. The carrier didn't stop them from not encrypting the bootloader on the Xoom. Or the OG Droid.

YankeeDudeL · Jul 28, 2012

Considering Verizon is the only carrier worldwide to lock the bootloader on the S3, I'm more willing to blame them. If rooting was easily available, I could see Verizon having an issue. There are def people that root their phones then bring them to me because they messed something up. But I will admit that those people new better than to take it into a corporate store, and knew that I'd be able to help them in the first place.

There are reasons for locking the bootloader, just not good ones. Unlock em, damn it.

johnlgalt · Jul 28, 2012

tehsusenoh said:
I mean, I half get Verizon's want for locked bootloaders, as they want a consistent experience to be able to support, but the people who know how to unlock the phones, and want to do fun stuff with them are exactly the people who wouldn't call Verizon up for support.

And for their security reason where they think that unlocked bootloaders will somehow compromise their networks, that's a completely BS reason. They have every other carrier as evidence to see that locked bootloaders don't do anything.

Disagree. It's not support that they are calling, it's warranty replacements that they are using. I can point to 10 different threads in the last month alone where unscrupulous users have suggested that "that us what insurance / warranties are for". If it was not for that, there would not have been a huge push by VZW for locked boot loaders

trophynuts said:
yeah i see you're point but i respectfully don't agree. I still blame Moto for half of it. The carrier didn't stop them from not encrypting the bootloader on the Xoom. Or the OG Droid.

The OG Droid and the trash of replacements after idiots bricked three phone due to (usually) OCing the phone to much without testing is what lead to this situation.

As for the xoom, i can only conjecture that it was already in development prior to VZWs mandate to lock the boot loaders.

YankeeDudeL said:
Considering Verizon is the only carrier worldwide to lock the bootloader on the S3, I'm more willing to blame them. If rooting was easily available, I could see Verizon having an issue. There are def people that root their phones then bring them to me because they messed something up. But I will admit that those people new better than to take it into a corporate store, and knew that I'd be able to help them in the first place.

There are reasons for locking the bootloader, just not good ones. Unlock em, damn it.

But there are just as many people who take it back to a corporate stores for replacement....

tehsusenoh · Jul 28, 2012

johnlgalt said:
Disagree. It's not support that they are calling, it's warranty replacements that they are using. I can point to 10 different threads in the last month alone where unscrupulous users have suggested that "that us what insurance / warranties are for". If it was not for that, there would not have been a huge push by VZW for locked boot loaders.

True. That's not what warranties are for. You can't be reliant on warranties. Drop it on the ground accidentally? Insurance. Brick your phone because you aren't following directions? You can't send that in. That's not how it works.

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