Help Why FDR?

DDave · Oct 26, 2012

What is the purpose of FDR after getting the ICS update?

I'm 100% stock and always have been. The only issues I've seen to date are

1. Phone seems sluggish
2. Texting seems sluggish
3. Battery doesnt seem to last as long. (Though it could be because I'm using it more). I have teh ext. battery.

Lastly, to date, no data drops.

Please advise on the FDR... thanks,

wildkitten · Oct 26, 2012

DDave said:
What is the purpose of FDR after getting the ICS update?

I'm 100% stock and always have been. The only issues I've seen to date are

1. Phone seems sluggish
2. Texting seems sluggish
3. Battery doesnt seem to last as long. (Though it could be because I'm using it more). I have teh ext. battery.

Lastly, to date, no data drops.

Please advise on the FDR... thanks,

Think of it this way. This is a major upgrade. What we have is not just a phone but a computer, and a poweful computer. It is more powerful than a PC that ran Win 95/98, maybe even higher.

Just like with a computer if you have a lot of things and say you were upgrading from XP to Windows 7, you have a lot of software, a lot of registry entries and would be best to do a clean install than just an upgrade.

Well the same is true for the phone. In fact, you gave very good reasons for doing the FDR right in your question. If your phone is sluggish, somethings wrong. After I did the FDR, my phone is snappier than ever, the battery lasts longer and just overall seems more responsive. There are also a lot of apps out there not compatible yet with ICS.

Best thing to do is save any data that any of your apps have and put that data on the SD card. Pull the SD card and do the FDR. After the FDR, put the SD card back in, go to the play store, reinstall your apps and import any of your data for the apps back in and you should be very happy with the results.

Think of it as a spring cleaning for your phone.

DDave · Oct 26, 2012

Yeah, I'm very familiar with upgrade vs clean install (for windows and such). Just not the phones/VERY power computer in my pocket.

I'll do it.

Thanks.

Thom · Oct 26, 2012

... and 108 of the 111 apps I have installed came from the Play Store. I did nothing other than leave it alone and they were just automatically re-downloaded.

There was trivial stuff in GB that I was living with that is now gone (like all my ringtones were listed twice in the dropdowns).

When I went From Windows XP to Windows 7 I reinstalled everything "out of the box" also.

... Thom

acejavelin · Oct 27, 2012

DDave said:
What is the purpose of FDR after getting the ICS update?

I'm 100% stock and always have been. The only issues I've seen to date are

1. Phone seems sluggish
2. Texting seems sluggish
3. Battery doesnt seem to last as long. (Though it could be because I'm using it more). I have teh ext. battery.

Lastly, to date, no data drops.

Please advise on the FDR... thanks,

The reason's you listed are PERFECT examples of why to do a factory reset, if others didn't mention enough stuff above...

DDave · Oct 27, 2012

The FDR worked out well. I'll give it a few days to report on if I think it was worth it. Although the initial results look good...

All my apps, paid and free came right back with no issues.

Thom · Oct 27, 2012

Excellent decision.

... Thom

wildkitten · Oct 27, 2012

DDave said:
The FDR worked out well. I'll give it a few days to report on if I think it was worth it. Although the initial results look good...

All my apps, paid and free came right back with no issues.

I think you will be glad you did. My phone has stayed just as speedy as it was after the FDR and now that we can disable a lot of the bloat without being rooted, I have more memory free cause none of the Verizon apps now start up all on their own.

And that is the nice thing about the play store, all your apps right there to reinstall.

global2 · Oct 28, 2012

From what I've read, it is best to prep my Bionic for the OTA update ~ which I haven't received yet.
Seems the steps should be:

get and load the update
pull the SD card
perform factory reset
replace SD card
reload apps from Google

I've sent all my media to dropbox, but what other data should be saved before the FDR? I know this is a very individual scenario, but can anyone tell me the data that is typically stored and might be wiped out in a FDR? How will logins and passwords be affected? Can that data be stored in the cloud or should it be backed up on the SD card?
Anxious for the update - not so much for the snags that may come with it...

wildkitten · Oct 28, 2012

global2 said:
From what I've read, it is best to prep my Bionic for the OTA update ~ which I haven't received yet.

Seems the steps should be:

get and load the update

pull the SD card

perform factory reset

replace SD card

reload apps from Google

I've sent all my media to dropbox, but what other data should be saved before the FDR? I know this is a very individual scenario, but can anyone tell me the data that is typically stored and might be wiped out in a FDR? How will logins and passwords be affected? Can that data be stored in the cloud or should it be backed up on the SD card?
Anxious for the update - not so much for the snags that may come with it...

Well any data say for example like for a banking app that may be stored locally. Most apps that deal with saved local data will have a "back up to..." or "export" function. Just do it to the SD card and will be fine.

As for the passwords, I'm not sure what you use. I myself use mSecure where I can sync to Dropbox to keep it synced to my desktop mSecure. But whatever password manager you use it should have a backup/export option and doing it to the SD card should be just fine.

global2 · Oct 28, 2012

Thanks. I'll get busy. Hoping they don't push update for the next few days. Would not be a good time to have phone go quirky while Sandy bearing down on us.

DDave · Oct 28, 2012

Ok, so how do you unload the bloat ware?

Britney · Oct 28, 2012

ICS installed. took 12 hours to complete. one hour on phone and 11 hours on SD.
Most of the known issues are gone, phone is smoother and faster at 1.2 GHz.
I have considered doing FDR, but since phone appears stable, I am a little apprehensive. If phone is working fine, is there any known benefit of FDR? I have already moved data to SD card and backed up other info. Now its just a touch of the FDR key.
Thank you.

Thom · Oct 28, 2012

The deal wit the FDR is that it gives you a clean slate and you get rid of a lot of junk you have been carting around in the past.

Why do it if you don;t have a recognized problem? ... simple ... sometime in the near future you are going to have an off-the-wall problem and will more than likely do an FDR to address it.

Do the FDR when you can schedule it and get it done and out of the way. You will then have a "warm dry rock" to stand on for the near future.

(You are also going to go through the process of ... "how did I set this up in the past? ... now that ICS has xyz ... why don;t I just get rid of it?")

... Thom

wildkitten · Oct 28, 2012

DDave said:
Ok, so how do you unload the bloat ware?

Most bloat still can't be uninstalled, however, if you go to Settings>Apps, almost all of it can be disabled.

Beetlesauce · Oct 28, 2012

DDave said:
What is the purpose of FDR after getting the ICS update?

I'm 100% stock and always have been. The only issues I've seen to date are

1. Phone seems sluggish
2. Texting seems sluggish
3. Battery doesnt seem to last as long. (Though it could be because I'm using it more). I have teh ext. battery.

Lastly, to date, no data drops.

Please advise on the FDR... thanks,

I am having the exact same situation after the ICS update. My hesitation with FDR is the data wipe. I can easily re-install apps from Google Play. However, I am not rooted and would like to retain data and settings in some of my fitness apps, auto maintenance apps, game apps etc. Titanium requires root and so does Mybackup pro (at least to backup data).

Is it inevitable that I must root to retain data? I have no interest in custom roms, flashing kernels, etc.

Borntu · Oct 29, 2012

Got the update two days ago and did an FDR. Since the ICS update I have found the phone to be noticably slower. The touch screen is sometimes unresponsive, perhabs because of it being slower? The battery life is about 2/3 of what it used to be. And of course, there is no FLASH! (It's hard to believe this isn't a bigger deal than it should be) This is the fourth Droid I've owned and the first I didn't feel the need to root. It's getting rooted tonight- because this sucks.

wildkitten · Oct 29, 2012

Borntu said:
Got the update two days ago and did an FDR. Since the ICS update I have found the phone to be noticably slower. The touch screen is sometimes unresponsive, perhabs because of it being slower? The battery life is about 2/3 of what it used to be. And of course, there is no FLASH! (It's hard to believe this isn't a bigger deal than it should be) This is the fourth Droid I've owned and the first I didn't feel the need to root. It's getting rooted tonight- because this sucks.

Do you have a lot of music/photos/video on your SD card and did you pull it when you did the FDR? A lot of the slowness seems to be media indexing when people have a lot of multimedia on the SD card which will also result in what seems like lower battery life because it's using more power to do the indexing.

Also, if you had Flash before, you can still download it off the Play Store. But the ending of Flash support is not the fault of Verizon, Motorola, Google or ICS. Adobe themselves is ending Flash support for all mobile platforms, which means sooner or later, any Flash site you go to will see more and more compatibility issues since Flash will never be upgraded. But the Flash player still works under ICS and even JB.

Thom · Oct 29, 2012

Beetlesauce said:
I am having the exact same situation after the ICS update. My hesitation with FDR is the data wipe. I can easily re-install apps from Google Play. However, I am not rooted and would like to retain data and settings in some of my fitness apps, auto maintenance apps, game apps etc. Titanium requires root and so does Mybackup pro (at least to backup data).

Is it inevitable that I must root to retain data? I have no interest in custom roms, flashing kernels, etc.

My Backup Pro does backup data. You can backup all data and restore it as needed.

I don't know if it will do what you need. I suggest that you install it, do a total app and data backup, and see if you can restore the data that you need. If you can, do the Factory Data Reset.

... Thom

doogald · Oct 29, 2012

Thom Little said:
My Backup Pro does backup data. You can backup all data and restore it as needed.

I don't know if it will do what you need. I suggest that you install it, do a total app and data backup, and see if you can restore the data that you need. If you can, do the Factory Data Reset.

To test it, install an app that you do not currently use (say, a Twitter app, like the official client, or try something like Plume if you already use the official app.) Set it up, run it so that data gets put into the app. Create a backup with MyBackup Pro, uninstall that one app, and then try to restore it. See if it brings back the data for that app.

acejavelin · Oct 29, 2012

Note that many apps that deal with important data have their own way of exporting or backing up the file, or may have a FAQ on the authors website on how to cop a certain file or something.

I say this because I HIGHLY recommend AGAINST using a backup tool to restore apps and data... The Rezound just went through a very similar update from GB to ICS and lots of users tried this approach with MyBackup Pro to backup data and apps before doing a FDR to clear up problems, but in many cases it just put the problem right back into the phone.

Feel free to try it I guess, or only do it for a few specific apps.

DDave · Oct 29, 2012

So far, the results of the FDR are positive. I'll probably do my wife's for her since she was experiencign the same results I was after the ICS update.

Thanks for the feedback everyone and lets hope this gets this phone on track for what it was supposed to be... A device to rule all other machines..

Thom · Oct 29, 2012

acejavelin said:
Note that many apps that deal with important data have their own way of exporting or backing up the file, or may have a FAQ on the authors website on how to cop a certain file or something.

I say this because I HIGHLY recommend AGAINST using a backup tool to restore apps and data... The Rezound just went through a very similar update from GB to ICS and lots of users tried this approach with MyBackup Pro to backup data and apps before doing a FDR to clear up problems, but in many cases it just put the problem right back into the phone.

Feel free to try it I guess, or only do it for a few specific apps.

I agree. Do a backup and then do the FDR and install everything from scratch.

There are a few applications where you might want to restore the data for THAT application.

As was pointed out, sometimes that will be in the backup data and sometimes that will be a location unique to the app ... like a central repository.

My Backup Pro is IMNHO a tool to help this process and should be used very sparingly. If you are going to just restore all data ... why bother doing the FDR in the first place?

... Thom

Vixer · Oct 30, 2012

The only reason I ask is because I am at work and won't be able to reroot until I get home.

Thanks in advance.

doogald · Oct 30, 2012

Vixer said:
The only reason I ask is because I am at work and won't be able to reroot until I get home.

No, it will not lose root. A rooted phone puts the superuser app, plus a few linux utilities, into the /system partition. A factory data reset will wipe the /data partition - where user apps and your data are stored - and the /cache partition, but it does not touch the /system partition.

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