The (maybe) "Epic" Motorola X Pre-Release Thread

svensett · Aug 1, 2013

halon said:
This phone is perfectly fine and capable. It comes down to price. Look at the S4, One, Ultra, G2, iPhone and any another new phone to come out and the specs they have and what the market puts the price of the phone at because of those specs. Now put the X next to those and they want to charge nearly the same price. Not in my book. I'd pay $400, tops, for the X. I'm sure someone can find a flaw in my logic but it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it

To me it's an S3 competitor, only a year late and $100 too expensive...

Now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if that is actually what it was supposed to be but got put on hold while Google was trying to decide what to do with Motorola. Update the processor and release it a year late. Weren't the X phone rumors swirling about the same time as the S3 was rolling out, or was it just after it was released? It had to be in that timeframe because that was the last time I was researching phones...

funkylogik · Aug 1, 2013

halon said:
Hardware customized phones would be nightmare. Every possible combination would have to go through the FCC. That would cost A LOT of money that would be passed on to the consumer and your next phone would cost a few bucks more. And by a few I mean a lot.

stupor pooper

I thought, now that the moto bubble has been punctured a bit, we could talk about our future phone fantasies lol

Me and Emon can be Daft Punk in Tron Legacy at the launch of this impossible phone :beer::beer:

halon · Aug 1, 2013

I don't remember hearing about this phone last year.

I'm not sure if they were joking but while watching The Verge earlier today one guy mentioned that Motorola was asked why the X is coming out the same time as the Ultra(s)? They're response was basically... because they happened to get done at about the same time.

EarlyMon · Aug 1, 2013

svensett said:
To me it's an S3 competitor, only a year late and $100 too expensive...

Now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if that is actually what it was supposed to be but got put on hold while Google was trying to decide what to do with Motorola. Update the processor and release it a year late. Weren't the X phone rumors swirling about the same time as the S3 was rolling out, or was it just after it was released? It had to be in that timeframe because that was the last time I was researching phones...

Motorola's pipeline was full with no new designs allowed for nearly 18 months after the Google acquisition.

This is much like an SGS3 except for the superior processor, superior screen, superior camera, and without a removable battery or sd card.

Wolfedude88 · Aug 1, 2013

No one should be disappointed with the specs. We have known it for a while but the price is the problem plus the exclusives.

Sure apple charges for a premium but they can because they are the only ones making anything iOS related so if you want it you ha d to pay their price.

There are a ton if android oems and they are equally priced and good great experiences and are a lot better specd.

I would sound like a sheep to be happy about going with the x when there are better alternatives for the price.

My problem is why but this over a gs4, htc one, g2? The prices are the same, they are great experiences and are upgrades in most departments.

I really want the x but I'm not sure how anyone could justify the price

Red Devil · Aug 1, 2013

Device manufacturers must be running scared. Every new phone that comes out only elicits groans and complaints nowadays

I firmly believe that we have hit the plateau with smartphones

EarlyMon · Aug 1, 2013

Red Devil said:
Device manufacturers must be running scared. Every new phone that comes out only elicits groans and complaints nowadays

I firmly believe that we have hit the plateau with smartphones

Lot of truth to that imo.

sean76 · Aug 2, 2013

Wolfedude88 said:
No one should be disappointed with the specs. We have known it for a while but the price is the problem plus the exclusives.

Sure apple charges for a premium but they can because they are the only ones making anything iOS related so if you want it you ha d to pay their price.

There are a ton if android oems and they are equally priced and good great experiences and are a lot better specd.

I would sound like a sheep to be happy about going with the x when there are better alternatives for the price.

My problem is why but this over a gs4, htc one, g2? The prices are the same, they are great experiences and are upgrades in most departments.

I really want the x but I'm not sure how anyone could justify the price

What I did was this...I watched every single you tube vid I could find about the X earlier this evening...And I have to say Pocket now's Michael Fisher said it best, this is a great phone...It's just really not for any of us (the geeks) And I gotta say I agree! Yes it's cool, yes it looks comfortable to hold and use, and yes it looks like it's made fairly well.

But I just can't justify spending upwards of $600 for a phone like the X, and from what's being reported that $600ish price tag looks to be real folks.

So I did the only logical thing I could...I ordered a GE GS4 from the Play Store. It's not that I think the S4 is a magical phone, but I feel like If I'm going to spend that dough I want a high range phone with some real kick ass specs. For me the S4 looks to be that phone at the moment. I'm just a little bit more concerned with taking great pics and running a totally clean version of android on a real speedy device then having a custom phrase appear when I boot my phone up.

Also does anyone see the creepiness in a phone that is always listening. How long until moto begins working with the FBI to listen in on all the owners of the X 24/7...creeeeeeeeepy!

DirtyDee · Aug 2, 2013

sean76 said:
What I did was this...I watched every single you tube vid I could find about the X earlier this evening...And I have to say Pocket now's Michael Fisher said it best, this is a great phone...It's just really not for any of us (the geeks) And I gotta say I agree! Yes it's cool, yes it looks comfortable to hold and use, and yes it looks like it's made fairly well.

But I just can't justify spending upwards of $600 for a phone like the X, and from what's being reported that $600ish price tag looks to be real folks.

So I did the only logical thing I could...I ordered a GE GS4 from the Play Store. It's not that I think the S4 is a magical phone, but I feel like If I'm going to spend that dough I want a high range phone with some real kick ass specs. For me the S4 looks to be that phone at the moment. I'm just a little bit more concerned with taking great pics and running a totally clean version of android on a real speedy device then having a custom phrase appear when I boot my phone up.

Also does anyone see the creepiness in a phone that is always listening. How long until moto begins working with the FBI to listen in on all the owners of the X 24/7...creeeeeeeeepy!

I am not worried about the Nsa, I am surfing for a new device in my price range and nothing gives me that feeling the moto x gives gave. I am thinking of taking the plunge and jumping on t-mobile with it pay it off and return to my metro pcs with it in hand. its like i devoted so much time i'm not ready to discard it. I still want her lol

EarlyMon · Aug 2, 2013

Your phone is constantly listening for carrier and wifi and Bluetooth signals, button presses and internal process-to-process messages.

It's listening to everyone and everything else and the NSA is listening to all of that.

Isn't it about time that we get our turn? :rofl:

Cronis · Aug 2, 2013

sean76 said:
What I did was this...I watched every single you tube vid I could find about the X earlier this evening...And I have to say Pocket now's Michael Fisher said it best, this is a great phone...It's just really not for any of us (the geeks) And I gotta say I agree! Yes it's cool, yes it looks comfortable to hold and use, and yes it looks like it's made fairly well.

But I just can't justify spending upwards of $600 for a phone like the X, and from what's being reported that $600ish price tag looks to be real folks.

So I did the only logical thing I could...I ordered a GE GS4 from the Play Store. It's not that I think the S4 is a magical phone, but I feel like If I'm going to spend that dough I want a high range phone with some real kick ass specs. For me the S4 looks to be that phone at the moment. I'm just a little bit more concerned with taking great pics and running a totally clean version of android on a real speedy device then having a custom phrase appear when I boot my phone up.

Also does anyone see the creepiness in a phone that is always listening. How long until moto begins working with the FBI to listen in on all the owners of the X 24/7...creeeeeeeeepy!

Gota agree with that last part, the always on thing is just a little to invasive for me. I know in the grand scheme of things its probably no more invasive then our phones already are (we just don't fully realize it yet). And I know that sounds all tin foil hat sounding but with the recent NSA leaks it really would not surprise me.

the kicker is I really love the formfactor of the Moto X. 4.7" is ideal to me and the really small bezels is just perfect. Sure i can get superior specs in the 5" phones for the same money but thats just pushing the uncomfortable size barrier for me.

funkylogik · Aug 2, 2013

^Alex Jones^

:beer:

sean76 · Aug 2, 2013

Cronis said:
Gota agree with that last part, the always on thing is just a little to invasive for me. I know in the grand scheme of things its probably no more invasive then our phones already are (we just don't fully realize it yet). And I know that sounds all tin foil hat sounding but with the recent NSA leaks it really would not surprise me.

the kicker is I really love the formfactor of the Moto X. 4.7" is ideal to me and the really small bezels is just perfect. Sure i can get superior specs in the 5" phones for the same money but thats just pushing the uncomfortable size barrier for me.

Size wise...Absolutely! It's on the money for a lot of people as far as one handed operation. I got pretty big paws but the S4 and ONE are as far as I'll go these days. The S4 is basically the same size as the S3 (just thinner) and to me that phone was fine. The ONE was ok IMO, after some time the power button placement and weight got a little annoying. But if I had to choose just on size I'd go with the X and it's small bezels. To this day my favorite sized phone out of all the god knows how many phones I've owned is still the Galaxy Nexus! Loved the size and feel of that phone. However Samsung did well IMO with making a 5 inch screen seem very user friendly.

Wolfedude88 · Aug 2, 2013

One last thing why was there still not a release date announced? Learn that from apple.

rivera02 · Aug 2, 2013

To me, if you took away all the hype I don't think many of us would give this phone a second look. It's a sort of mid range moto phone with a 500 million dollar advertising budget and Google's backing. It just doesn't have enough to get me to consider it over the gs4 or the HTC one, let alone what will be coming out in the next few months. Should've been $100 on contract.

sean76 · Aug 2, 2013

Wolfedude88 said:
One last thing why was there still not a release date announced? Learn that from apple.

1st thing I addressed after getting on here when news of the event broke!

This end of the month, beginning of the next month after the following season is so old already.

Wolfedude88 · Aug 2, 2013

sean76 said:
1st thing I addressed after getting on here when news of the event broke!

This end of the month, beginning of the next month after the following season is so old already.

I'm hoping that tomorrow more information will be out but I doubt it.

funkylogik · Aug 2, 2013

Glass half full mate :thumbup:
Or a google half glassed fool

jova33 · Aug 2, 2013

halon said:
Hardware customized phones would be nightmare. Every possible combination would have to go through the FCC. That would cost A LOT of money that would be passed on to the consumer and your next phone would cost a few bucks more. And by a few I mean a lot.

But with the GS4 did they have to send the 16, 32, and 64GB models through the FCC? Each has a different piece of hardware. What would be so different if each had a different screen, but the same radio hardware? Different processor?
Maybe I just don't understand why can't they just get the radio hardware cleared by the FCC, and then have that radio in multiple versions of the same phone.

jova33 · Aug 2, 2013

Do you think the Nexus 5 will be on VZW? If it is, this GS4 is going on eBay.

EarlyMon · Aug 2, 2013

jova33 said:
But with the GS4 did they have to send the 16, 32, and 64GB models through the FCC? Each has a different piece of hardware. What would be so different if each had a different screen, but the same radio hardware? Different processor?
Maybe I just don't understand why can't they just get the radio hardware cleared by the FCC, and then have that radio in multiple versions of the same phone.

Answered in post 1133.

The_Chief · Aug 2, 2013

I have to admit that a locked bootloader didn't stop me from buying the Galaxy Nexus. I had every intention of NOT rooting and ROMming it, but rather just being a blissful user. That is, until 6 months had passed, so had updates, and I wasn't blissful anymore.

By then a wonderful little tool had come out called Wug's Galaxy Nexus Toolkit. It unlocked the bootloader and rooted it. And I've been a blissful rooter/ROMmer ever since.

So what's not to say that there won't be a toolkit for the Moto X in a few months?

Unforgiven · Aug 2, 2013

I won't say I'm disappointed in the X. Heck, that would be unfair. I'm a bit put off by the price. I find myself wondering based on the praise it is receiving relative to slightly below cutting edge specs if they have created a device where the whole is better than the sum of the parts.

Ah, well. I think I have made up my mind. I have known that I will be paying full price for my next phone for the protection of my unlimited data. At this point, my GNex is still serving it purpose, and I'm just getting a tech itch. I'll grab an N72 now and wait until the LTE only (no CDMA) phones are released and see what's available unless something wows me before then.

It's nice not needing a phone or stressing about using my upgrade. I'm sitting in the catbird seat.

mush10 · Aug 2, 2013

Size for me on this phone is perfect. I would like to see some benchmarks but as my daily driver this phone should be fine. Would rather have had 1080P, but if this new Moto chip structure is effective I may still try it. Camera performance is important to me as well as I have two young boys. I do fine with the HTC One and iPhone cameras so hopefully this is okay. Moto has disappointed me here in the past so hopefully they have learned.

EarlyMon · Aug 2, 2013

It's a simple formula -

The CPU cores are the same as those found in the SGS4 (Snapdragon version) or HTC One. Those are superior to the Nexus 4 cores.

The GPU core is the same as the Nexus 4, SGS4 and One - and they're claiming more of them.

An rgb 720p screen has less than half the pixels to update compared to an rgb 1080p screen, and less processing to do than a Pentile 1080p screen.

That adds up to faster performance for the vast majority of things that people care about.

You lose 2 cores, but you also lose half of the screen processing, and lose double the power consumption and extra heat when the phone is running at full blast.

That's why this phone is going to win and that's why people are already saying that it performs well.

It's not a high end quad driving a 1080p display so we can't call it a top end phone.

But if the phone runs faster than the user and you don't see pixilated screens, then those things become theoretical differences to the user, not ones you care about.

In 2010 during our earlier processor arguments, I once said that I didn't care if the core was a hamster in a cage so long as it performed.

I still feel that exact same way.

PS - everyone tells me that the iPhone runs quickly because the software is optimized. Umm, OK. Ever notice how few pixels iPhones have traditionally had? And still do? They've yet to make a high def screen on a phone. They go for a top end GPU driving fewer pixels.

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