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LOL $15 Min wage!!!

But these jobs are not meant to be a career. They are meant for kids in high school to learn how to have a job. I read one article today where a guy in Chicago has worked for McDonalds for 21 years and is upset he is making minimum wage... :rofl:

Really though... $15/hr is more than I make! If the economy were better or even improving people could find better jobs more easily if they wanted. Unfortunately, I'm sure a lot of these people voted to keep the guy in office that keeps making the economy worse instead of better. That is the culture in America now though, people want everything handed to them. I say "Minimum skills, minimum intelligence, minimum effort... you deserve no more than minimum wage."
 
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I think they are asking for $15 as a bargaining price range. I'm sure they would be happy for a couple of dollars more then what they are making.

After all giving them $10-15 per hour is not as bad as the company making billions of dollars a day!

First there isn't a corporation on the planet making "billions of dollars a day", (profit) ESPECIALLY NOT a fast food company.

The fast foot bidness is Extremely competitive. They simply Could Not raise the prices of burgers enough to compensate for the doubling of labor costs and have ANYONE buy a $7 Big Mac for them to still stay in bidness. What would have to happen then is a CUT in the number of bodies being paid at that fast food place. Probably near a 50% headcount cut which would then have the remaining workers working TWICE as hard for the 2x pay. How happy do you think THAT would make them. Contrary to whatever it is you "learned", There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. (Especially from a $15/hr fast food restaurant.)

The only money that grows on trees is the governement's money, not private bidness money.

As was mentioned earlier, minimum wage is meant as a Starting Point, NOT where one is supposed to stay for 21 years. IF you stay at that pay rate for that long you are obviously a non-productive, unable to be trained for anything else probably token mentally deficient person, or the token wanting the world handed to them liberal working there. :p Only 5% of fast food workers are earning minimum wage.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
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I rarely go to these restaurants any more and if I do I buy dollar menu items because that what I can afford. Whatever happened to having 2 and 3 of these jobs at the same time. I went to school and worked two jobs at the same time. I got 4 hours of sleep per night during the week. These burger flipping jobs are treated like a four letter word, and I highly doubt that many are making just the minimum. My son recently left Burger King and he was making just over $9 an hour. Plus he had healthcare provided by them. The media just mentions minimum wage and never touches on what these people actually make.

This is America, if you don't like aspects of your job, you can always quit and work somewhere else.
 
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Whatever happened to having 2 and 3 of these jobs at the same time. I went to school and worked two jobs at the same time. I got 4 hours of sleep per night during the week.

Surely you're not suggesting that people work 2 or 3 jobs to support themselves. Just because you did it and were ok with it doesn't mean it should be required of others.
 
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Not at all, it was just a suggestion. But if they get the desired $15/Hr, it will be interesting to see how many lose their jobs because the business closes their doors.

My (26 year old) son is a classic example of someone who works one job, requires a fancy pickup and a cool phone but is broke a day after payday. I suggest to him that another job wouldn't hurt him, but he would rather sit in his room and play video games.

Just sayin'
 
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Surely you're not suggesting that people work 2 or 3 jobs to support themselves. Just because you did it and were ok with it doesn't mean it should be required of others.

People working 2+ jobs is becoming the new normal in America, thanks to Obamacare. 2+ jobs or welfare, that is the only way to survive in the country that is so far gone... Unless you are lucky and one of a very few good jobs, then you are punished for having that job by having almost 50% of your income stolen by taxes.
 
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Being poor, makes one poor.

Poor concentration: Poverty reduces brainpower needed for navigating other areas of life

"Previous views of poverty have blamed poverty on personal failings, or an environment that is not conducive to success," she said. "We're arguing that the lack of financial resources itself can lead to impaired cognitive function. The very condition of not having enough can actually be a cause of poverty."

The mental tax that poverty can put on the brain is distinct from stress, Shafir explained. Stress is a person's response to various outside pressures that -- according to studies of arousal and performance -- can actually enhance a person's functioning, he said. In the Science study, Shafir and his colleagues instead describe an immediate rather than chronic preoccupation with limited resources that can be a detriment to unrelated yet still important tasks.

"Stress itself doesn't predict that people can't perform well -- they may do better up to a point," Shafir said. "A person in poverty might be at the high part of the performance curve when it comes to a specific task and, in fact, we show that they do well on the problem at hand. But they don't have leftover bandwidth to devote to other tasks. The poor are often highly effective at focusing on and dealing with pressing problems. It's the other tasks where they perform poorly."

The fallout of neglecting other areas of life may loom larger for a person just scraping by, Shafir said. Late fees tacked on to a forgotten rent payment, a job lost because of poor time-management -- these make a tight money situation worse. And as people get poorer, they tend to make difficult and often costly decisions that further perpetuate their hardship, Shafir said. He and Mullainathan were co-authors on a 2012 Science paper that reported a higher likelihood of poor people to engage in behaviors that reinforce the conditions of poverty, such as excessive borrowing.
 
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These workers are not demanding that Congress raise the minimum wage but that the companies that employ them pay a living wage.

You used to have fast-food industry where teenagers were trying to buy schools clothes or have pocket money. Most of the workers are women, retired, or underemployed. They have children. They have rent. They need clothing. They need shelter.

Again, I believe they are using the $15 amount as a bargaining chip!
 
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If these workers can't afford lobbyist, let them eat cake.

The Other NRA: How the Insidiously Powerful Restaurant Lobby Makes Sure Fast-Food Workers Get Poverty Wages and Have to Work While Sick | Alternet

Most tellingly, almost every national chain-from fast-food outfits such as Yum! Brands Inc. (Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC) and McDonald's to full-service dining such as Darden Restaurants Inc. (Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Capital Grille)-have reported higher revenues, profits, margins and cash holdings to Wall Street analysts despite the recession, according to the National Employment Law Project. Giants like McDonalds had 7.8 percent revenue growth over the past decade, according to Gurufocus.com, a financial reporting site. Yum had 10-year revenues of 8.7 percent, and Darden's 10-year revenues grew 9.1 percent.

But last winter, as the NRA was fighting minimum wage increases and paid sick leave, it was telling lawmakers that the industry could not afford to pay employees more. Yet this August, the NRA's newsletter was predicting another profitable year, where revenues would be up 4 percent compared to 2012. "Restaurant and foodservice sales are expected to reach a record high of $660.5 billion this year," another 2013 revenue forecast on its website said.
 
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But these jobs are not meant to be a career. They are meant for kids in high school to learn how to have a job. I read one article today where a guy in Chicago has worked for McDonalds for 21 years and is upset he is making minimum wage... :rofl:

Really though... $15/hr is more than I make! If the economy were better or even improving people could find better jobs more easily if they wanted. Unfortunately, I'm sure a lot of these people voted to keep the guy in office that keeps making the economy worse instead of better. That is the culture in America now though, people want everything handed to them. I say "Minimum skills, minimum intelligence, minimum effort... you deserve no more than minimum wage."

That's not entirely true. Look at McDonald's. You can make a career out of it. $46,000 a year sounds fairly decent for a manager at a fast food restaurant. That's the lowest in the higher up food chain. You could make a career out if anything in all honesty.

Some of these people are working themselves to death.

Let them have a few extra dollars. Who cares
 
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I read one article today where a guy in Chicago has worked for McDonalds for 21 years and is upset he is making minimum wage... :rofl:

I find this hard to believe. If he is making only minimum wage, it's because he is a marginal employee at best and never earned a raise or he is flat out lying. Jobs in Chicago earn more per hour than the same job here in Duluth. I know for a fact that line cooks in McDonald's here in town make between $8 and $10 per hour. Cost of living is higher in Chicago so it makes sense.
 
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If one wants higher wages then one should provide more value to one's employer. Virginia Governor McDonnell embodies these conservative values. :deal:

Gov. McDonnell described as aware of gifts from Virginia businessman - The Washington Post

"Virginia Gov. Robert F. McDonnell was aware of gifts and financial help provided by a wealthy Richmond area businessman during the same months the governor and his wife took steps to help his company, according to people familiar with documents and interviews gathered by federal investigators."
 
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People working 2+ jobs is becoming the new normal in America, thanks to Obamacare

.. something that hasn't been implemented yet :thinking:

And there was me thinking cause precedes effect :rolleyes:

The fast foot bidness is Extremely competitive

Given that all the fast food businesses would be paying the same increased cost it would be a wash so competivity is actually irrelevant.

They simply Could Not raise the prices of burgers enough to compensate for the doubling of labor costs and have ANYONE buy a $7 Big Mac for them to still stay in bidness

From what I see above, they'd be increasing labour costs by around 50-60%, it wouldn't affect their other costs - rent, raw materials, power, management expense etc - so the price would be maybe $5 (assuming the $7 was double the current price) for a Big Mac .. which is not far removed from what they cost here in the UK .. and they sell pretty well here.

Sadly. But that's a different discussion.

The only money that grows on trees is the governement's money, not private bidness money

You're clearly not too familiar with how much US govt cash goes in subsidies to (mostly large multinational) companies :D

IF you stay at that pay rate for that long you are .. probably token mentally deficient person, or the token wanting the world handed to them liberal working there

Kinda tough on the mentally deficient ..

What's also surprising is how many non-liberals seem to be objecting to this when, from what they say about themselves, a $15 minimum wage would have helped them in the past or might even help them now :thinking:

Clearly, $15 is not realistic, but as has been pointed out more than once above: it's the opening bid in a bargaining process and as any fule kno, you don't start where you hope to finish.

An unrelated titbit: saw this STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At All :rofl:
 
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.. something that hasn't been implemented yet :thinking:

And there was me thinking cause precedes effect :rolleyes:



Given that all the fast food businesses would be paying the same increased cost it would be a wash so competivity is actually irrelevant.



From what I see above, they'd be increasing labour costs by around 50-60%, it wouldn't affect their other costs - rent, raw materials, power, management expense etc - so the price would be maybe $5 (assuming the $7 was double the current price) for a Big Mac .. which is not far removed from what they cost here in the UK .. and they sell pretty well here.

Sadly. But that's a different discussion.



You're clearly not too familiar with how much US govt cash goes in subsidies to (mostly large multinational) companies :D



Kinda tough on the mentally deficient ..

What's also surprising is how many non-liberals seem to be objecting to this when, from what they say about themselves, a $15 minimum wage would have helped them in the past or might even help them now :thinking:

Clearly, $15 is not realistic, but as has been pointed out more than once above: it's the opening bid in a bargaining process and as any fule kno, you don't start where you hope to finish.

An unrelated titbit: saw this STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At All :rofl:

I watch indie news. :D
 
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.. something that hasn't been implemented yet :thinking:

And there was me thinking cause precedes effect :rolleyes:



Given that all the fast food businesses would be paying the same increased cost it would be a wash so competivity is actually irrelevant.



From what I see above, they'd be increasing labour costs by around 50-60%, it wouldn't affect their other costs - rent, raw materials, power, management expense etc - so the price would be maybe $5 (assuming the $7 was double the current price) for a Big Mac .. which is not far removed from what they cost here in the UK .. and they sell pretty well here.

Sadly. But that's a different discussion.



You're clearly not too familiar with how much US govt cash goes in subsidies to (mostly large multinational) companies :D



Kinda tough on the mentally deficient ..

What's also surprising is how many non-liberals seem to be objecting to this when, from what they say about themselves, a $15 minimum wage would have helped them in the past or might even help them now :thinking:

Clearly, $15 is not realistic, but as has been pointed out more than once above: it's the opening bid in a bargaining process and as any fule kno, you don't start where you hope to finish.

An unrelated titbit: saw this STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At All :rofl:

The cause is preceding effect. If companies hire full time, then on 1/1/14 they suddenly have to cut hours there are 2 problems. First, they won't have enough people to cover shifts. Second, this country is unfortunately run in large part by unions that do nothing but hurt employees and the country (and yes, I am forced to be a union member) so how do you think they will react to full time employees suddenly becoming part time in mass? Companies have to only hire part time in anticipation of an illegal, unpopular law or face being put out of business.

Corporate subsidies are an atrocity to the world. I won't even get started on that, but our government giving free money to companies that don't pay taxes is sickening. I could go off on a HUGE tangent about our government giving away our tax money to companies, foreign government, terrorists, etc while ignoring the will of the people and medical research. I'm stopping now...

About Fox News. I disagree with that statement (I didn't read it). I agree that relying on Fox makes you less informed than those that get their news from sources that don't rely on government approval, like Drudge. Yes you are less informed if you watch Fox for your only news souce, but if all of your news comes from US TV, then FOX covers a lot more than CNN, NBC, etc. And yes, I occasionally watch CNN and NBC to see what propaganda the government is putting out.
 
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The post up there about fifteen bux being the bargaining starting point bears out in my experience as a union steward. Right away it was made clear to me as I got my chops at the steward job (carpenter at the time) that we never "ask" and we never say where we really want to be. It is the way it goes in union/corporate wage and benefit negotiations, plain and simple.

At least at car dealerships and pawn shops the participants state what the want right away. I hated "demanding" big bux all the while knowing what we needed was most often about 20% lower (wage wise.. the benefits, etc were the most time consuming and frustrating to us).

At any rate, the fact that there exists a minimum wage seems like a blessing to some and a freak curse to others. If the ones who feel it is a curse were all huge conglomerate corporations like the fast food outlets are, I'd have nothing to say about it as it is obvious they are wanting to keep up their yacht clubs, etc, so it's battle time with them.

But some of those who see the minimum wage as "socialism" etc are just trying to stay afloat.. to stay solvent in a recovering economy. That's a tough nut to crack negotiation wise. Maybe there should be a sliding scale on the federal level which somehow addresses the differences between those kinds of companies and how the minimum wage impacts them.
 
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If you factor in the fact that many of the working poor also receive food stamps, Medicaid, and other government benefits, that means the government is actually indirectly subsidizing these huge, extremely profitable corporations for under paying their workers. I agree $15 is a bit much, but if you factor in inflation from the late 60's/early 70's minimum wage would be around $10/hour now.
 
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