9/11/2001

chrlswltrs · Sep 12, 2013

How many people know a third tower fell that was never hit? How many people know it was physically impossible for the 2 towers hit to fall the way they did?

Ben Swann is one of the very few investigative journalist in America. Just watch the interviews in this short video. He presents facts and doesn't state an opinion. He doesn't even address the fact that not a single military jet was sent to escort any of the planes, which is SOP for any commercial jet off course.

Ben Swann Reality Check: More Americans "Rethinking" 9/11? - YouTube

Frisco · Sep 12, 2013

There is a lot of old footage of bomb and V2 blasts felling a large building, and then a few minutes to hours later another building near the target either falling over or partially collapsing. Some from WW2 Berlin and London.

I try to stay away from discussions about the 9/11 U.S. gov conspiracy stuff because those putting that stuff out there are in a belief system they want to stay in, so even friends can't talk about it much without risking their friendship.

I consider you a friend, Charles. Let's see how it goes.

chrlswltrs · Sep 12, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weIjYscff5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Former Marine, aircraft and missile expert, holds 5 engineering degrees. What is the truth?

dibblebill · Sep 12, 2013

I was pretty sure the third tower was common knowledge, it is in almost every timeline I've seen on the official media. I'm not 100% how I feel, one way or the other. I'll watch this one, but I've seen several of these already that are easily dismissed with knowledge of high school chemistry or physics (the one speaking of "high tech" thermite explosives comes to mind), so I am already skeptical.

That being said, you should also already know from my other postings that I'm no fan of the government.

Frisco · Sep 12, 2013

chrlswltrs said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weIjYscff5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Former Marine, aircraft and missile expert, holds 5 engineering degrees. What is the truth?

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States is the site with downloads of the official report generated by the investigations, etc.

Some people seem to want, even need conspiracy theories to help them come to grips with such world shattering events as assassinations and surprise terrorist attacks, etc.

Bi-partisan investigations that pore over all details and document them in step by step, even flow-chart manner in some cases, naming names and showing where those involved were trained, etc, just blow away all the "missile into the Pentagon" and "explosives" in the towers and other buildings stories, in my view.

I've read it all, as have millions of others.

And just like the "Castro/Mafia/Russians/Frank Sinatra shot Kennedy" hollerings decades ago, the "Bush was in on 9/11" and "the Republicans did it to win the election by instigating fear in the public (as if a Democrat President would not respond to a terrorist attack)," all strike me as something the folks saying it want it that way because the simple truth is really hard to handle: a well-planned and well-financed terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon happened because of our policies on Israel and the various other sayings and beliefs by the jihadists of al-quaeda and their supporters. Plain and simple.

Gmash · Sep 12, 2013

All of those conspiracies have been debunked countless times.

saptech · Sep 12, 2013

because of our policies on Israel

Those are some key words. Part of the terrorist attacks was based on it. Sometime during 2000 or early 2001, there was a world conference on racism, inviting Palestine, Israel & the USA, along with other nations. When Israel didn't want to particpate because of Palestine, guess who followed and withdrew from the conference also!!!

chrlswltrs · Sep 13, 2013

Frisco said:
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States is the site with downloads of the official report generated by the investigations, etc.

Some people seem to want, even need conspiracy theories to help them come to grips with such world shattering events as assassinations and surprise terrorist attacks, etc.

Bi-partisan investigations that pore over all details and document them in step by step, even flow-chart manner in some cases, naming names and showing where those involved were trained, etc, just blow away all the "missile into the Pentagon" and "explosives" in the towers and other buildings stories, in my view.

I've read it all, as have millions of others.

And just like the "Castro/Mafia/Russians/Frank Sinatra shot Kennedy" hollerings decades ago, the "Bush was in on 9/11" and "the Republicans did it to win the election by instigating fear in the public (as if a Democrat President would not respond to a terrorist attack)," all strike me as something the folks saying it want it that way because the simple truth is really hard to handle: a well-planned and well-financed terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon happened because of our policies on Israel and the various other sayings and beliefs by the jihadists of al-quaeda and their supporters. Plain and simple.

I won't go into Kennedy, that isn't what this thread is about. I also never mentioned Bush, Republicans, Democrats, Jihadists, Al Qaeda, etc. All I am saying is we have not been told the truth about what happened leading up to the attack, and what happened during the attack. We have all seen the massive expansion of government, loss of freedoms, and endless war that have happened as a result of the attack.

Gmash said:
All of those conspiracies have been debunked countless times.

Any opposing views or questions being instantly dismissed after being labeled "conspiracies" just because the question the official government narrative does not count a "debunked." There is a difference between dismissed and debunked.

Gmash · Sep 13, 2013

I know the difference, and they have been debunked.

Frisco · Sep 13, 2013

Charlie, I was only drawing an analogy wrt Kennedy assassination conspiracy speculation/belief and that of 9/11. Didn't mean to violate my self-imposed agreement with you to keep things mutually respectable; sorry if I did that. I'll try to take the edge off my phrases in here, etc.

Meanwhile, Peter Lawford had Marilyn Monroe killed and John Wilkes Boothe was paid by Andrew Johnson.

SiempreTuna · Sep 16, 2013

Frisco said:
Peter Lawford had Marilyn Monroe killed and John Wilkes Boothe was paid by Andrew Johnson

I knew it!

unnamedny · Sep 16, 2013

there are people who are ready to make money off anything. Everything has a conspiracy theory. What I can tell you is watch documentary on how well twin towers were built, then watch second plane hitting the building. It's like knife going through the butter through all the metal rails. I know people who worked near, and they felt the impact few blocks away, when planes hit. I know a person who was passing on train at that time, right under the WTC and it felt like an earth quake when second plane hit. There are thousands of eye witnesses of it's happening and they do not raise questions of how it fell.

Third tower collapse is not a secret to anyone. It was damaged so it fell or they made it fall, I don't remember for sure.

ElasticNinja · Sep 16, 2013

unnamedny said:
there are people who are ready to make money off anything. Everything has a conspiracy theory. What I can tell you is watch documentary on how well twin towers were built, then watch second plane hitting the building. It's like knife going through the butter through all the metal rails. I know people who worked near, and they felt the impact few blocks away, when planes hit. I know a person who was passing on train at that time, right under the WTC and it felt like an earth quake when second plane hit. There are thousands of eye witnesses of it's happening and they do not raise questions of how it fell.

Third tower collapse is not a secret to anyone. It was damaged so it fell or they made it fall, I don't remember for sure.

WTC7 was also built over another building, another fact these people conveniently forget.

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