Root [Verizon] can you root S3 after latest Jelly update 4.3?

ut_icedragon · Jan 17, 2014

I have heard people saying the new 4.3 update from Verizon does not allow rooting or you will brick your phone.

Can anyone explain this or clarify the issue?
I am holding off on the update because I would like to root my S3 eventually once I learn more about rooting and feel comfortable going through the process.

Reaper351c · Jan 17, 2014

You can root but you won't be able to unlock the boot loader to install custom recovery I would say stay on 4.1.2 because you can unlock the boot loader and root is way less complicated then on 4.3

Can0dope · Jan 18, 2014

Stay on 4.1.2, root using the no-wipe tutorial on XDA. Then flash a 4.3 ROM. Step 10: PROFIT

ut_icedragon · Jan 18, 2014

Can0dope said:
Stay on 4.1.2, root using the no-wipe tutorial on XDA. Then flash a 4.3 ROM. Step 10: PROFIT

Say I wanted to root so I could get rid of the bloatware and change the voltage settings so I could extend battery life.

Could I use the tutorial you mentioned for that?

How far do I need to go in that tutorial to get to the step I need?

Can0dope · Jan 18, 2014

Follow the complete tutorial. It only took me about 15 minutes. From there, you can pretty much do whatever you want. Just make sure you have a backup.

With the no-wipe tutorial, you basically just end up with a rooted stock ROM and unlocked bootloader.

ut_icedragon · Jan 18, 2014

Can0dope said:
Follow the complete tutorial. It only took me about 15 minutes. From there, you can pretty much do whatever you want. Just make sure you have a backup.

With the no-wipe tutorial, you basically just end up with a rooted stock ROM and unlocked bootloader.

To confirm, is this the link?

Also, what Image recovery did you use?

Finally, this will install stock ROM. Is that 4.1.2, or different?

ut_icedragon · Jan 18, 2014

I found this root video for rooting the S3 on linux.

[Root] Galaxy S3 Jelly Bean on Mac OSX/Linux [Motochopper] - xda-developers

If possible I would like to do this as I run primarily in linux but I need to know a couple of things.

1) Will this be a non wipe root?
2) Will it unlock the bootloader?
3) where can I find the motochopper file they used? I looked for th link in the video bu couldn't find it. But it might have been staring me right in the face the whole time.

Any help much appreciated.

Mikestony · Jan 18, 2014

As far as that Linux method, I'm not sure if it will wipe your data.
I found the motochopper download link here:
How to Root Galaxy S3 on Mac OSX/Linux/Ubuntu! [Jelly Bean] U.S./Canadian ~ Android Rootz | Source for Android Rooting, ROMS, Tricks and more! (under step 3)

I rooted via this method which will not wipe your data, root, and unlock your bootloader:
[GUIDE] Root for Jelly Bean 4.1.1 or 4.1.2 OTA ***UPDATED 5/29*** - xda-developers

Since I rooted, this method came out:
★[8/27] [Casual] [Root, Unlock, Recovery] Vzw S3 Toolkit or 1-Click!![Up to MF1]★ - xda-developers

Are you on 4.1.1. or 4.1.2?

ut_icedragon · Jan 18, 2014

Mikestony said:
As far as that Linux method, I'm not sure if it will wipe your data.
I found the motochopper download link here:
How to Root Galaxy S3 on Mac OSX/Linux/Ubuntu! [Jelly Bean] U.S./Canadian ~ Android Rootz | Source for Android Rooting, ROMS, Tricks and more! (under step 3)

I rooted via this method which will not wipe your data, root, and unlock your bootloader:
[GUIDE] Root for Jelly Bean 4.1.1 or 4.1.2 OTA ***UPDATED 5/29*** - xda-developers

Since I rooted, this method came out:
★[8/27] [Casual] [Root, Unlock, Recovery] Vzw S3 Toolkit or 1-Click!![Up to MF1]★ - xda-developers

Are you on 4.1.1. or 4.1.2?

4.1.2

I just did a factory reset and cache clear today to get rid of the 4.3 update, so if it does wipe its no big deal.

Stupid question but if you do a method that does wipe the data do you have to remove the SD card to keep its contents from being wiped?

Stupid Question #2: Once I'm rooted, to remove bloatware, can I just pick and choose apps to delete like I would do normal apps on a non-rooted phone, or is there more to it than that?

Mikestony · Jan 18, 2014

ut_icedragon said:
4.1.2

I just did a factory reset and cache clear today to get rid of the 4.3 update, so if it does wipe its no big deal.

Stupid question but if you do a method that does wipe the data do you have to remove the SD card to keep its contents from being wiped?

Stupid Question #2: Once I'm rooted, to remove bloatware, can I just pick and choose apps to delete like I would do normal apps on a non-rooted phone, or is there more to it than that?

Good, legit questions!!
Some root methods (I don't know of any for our phones) will wipe the external sd card. But, as a precaution, you can save the content of the sd to your computer

Some root methods will wipe internal memory, and that is why you need to make sure your contacts, or apps, voicemails etc are backed up somewhere, such as Google. Or there are apps to backup such things too.

To remove bloatware, a good idea is to research what you can remove safely. (I have a link somewhere that lists the "safe to remove" apps.

Some apps are dependant on other apps to run.
TitaniumBackup to the rescue! TB (along with the ProKey (the paid version) ) can freeze apps before removing them. After freezing, if your phone acts fine, then you can use TB to backup the app, then uninstall it....even system apps (some bloat apps are in /system/app)

Can0dope · Jan 18, 2014

ut_icedragon said:
To confirm, is this the link?

Also, what Image recovery did you use?

Finally, this will install stock ROM. Is that 4.1.2, or different?

Yeah. That's the one. Pretty sure it's 4.1.2. I used the Boot chain w/CWM.

ut_icedragon · Jan 18, 2014

Mikestony said:
Good, legit questions!!
Some root methods (I don't know of any for our phones) will wipe the external sd card. But, as a precaution, you can save the content of the sd to your computer
Some root methods will wipe internal memory, and that is why you need to make sure your contacts, or apps, voicemails etc are backed up somewhere, such as Google. Or there are apps to backup such things too.

To remove bloatware, a good idea is to research what you can remove safely. (I have a link somewhere that lists the "safe to remove" apps.
Some apps are dependant on other apps to run.
TitaniumBackup to the rescue! TB (along with the ProKey (the paid version) ) can freeze apps before removing them. After freezing, if your phone acts fine, then you can use TB to backup the app, then uninstall it....even system apps (some bloat apps are in /system/app)

I found this list:
http://androidforums.com/metropcs-t...-remove-about-500-mb-bloatware-stock-rom.html

EDIT: I found your list!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AqTvctlW89DtdC1qVUlLeVFTV3ZOdUtDclpBdVRQOUE&pli=1

Thanks Much!!

That the one of safe to remove apps?

Good tip about backing up the SD card contents before root. Do you NEED the SD card in to root or can I just pull it for the root and then put it back when done? I know I have seen the SD card involved in some root guides but is that just when you flash a ROM?

Mikestony · Jan 18, 2014

ut_icedragon said:
I found this list:
http://androidforums.com/metropcs-t...-remove-about-500-mb-bloatware-stock-rom.html

That the one of safe to remove apps?

Good tip about backing up the SD card contents before root. Do you NEED the SD card in to root or can I just pull it for the root and then put it back when done? I know I have seen the SD card involved in some root guides but is that just when you flash a ROM?

That list is for an LG phone, and I wouldn't go by that.
I'll have to find the list I thought I had bookmarked

As far as your sd card, the first root method I linked, you will need the card installed.
The second link, Casual root, you dont need it, but with either method, you won't lose the contents of the sd card. But like I said, better safe than sorry and back it up

Edit: just saw your post edit...

Yes, that is the one...and fwiw, it's not my list

ut_icedragon · Jan 18, 2014

Mikestony said:
That list is for an LG phone, and I wouldn't go by that.
I'll have to find the list I thought I had bookmarked

As far as your sd card, the first root method I linked, you will need the card installed.
The second link, Casual root, you dont need it, but with either method, you won't lose the contents of the sd card. But like I said, better safe than sorry and back it up

Edit: just saw your post edit...
Yes, that is the one...and fwiw, it's not my list

Well thanks to everyone's help and after a good bit of reading and research I think I'm comfortable going to try and root with the methods you listed. I might not get to it tomorrow but if not then next weekend should be rooted.

Thanks again for all the help everyone. This place ROCKS!

arty:

Mikestony · Jan 18, 2014

No problem..

We'll all be here.
Read thru the guides a little more and if you have time, read thru the threads too, to see what issues others have had, and the solutions for them....just in case

The better informed you are, the better you will feel

ut_icedragon · Jan 20, 2014

Mikestony said:
Usually the rom's download page will have instructions on how to flash, but basically like D-U-R-X said, make a nandroid backup (done in recovery), make sure the rom.zip is on the sd card (internal or external), wipe data/factory reset, navigate to the rom.zip and install it.

When you are ready, if you are unsure, we can walk you thru flashing it

Couple of curious questions:

In the process of flashing a ROM, you say to make a backup. Where is the backup saved? I ask because the next step is doing a factory wipe, and below you say the ROM can be stored on internal or external SD. I thought a factory wipe wipes all internal memory, including the internal SD card. Maybe I'm confusing the internal and external SD card definitions.

Second, you say you could walk someone though the steps of flashing a ROM. Does this also apply to rooting, and if so, is there a certian thread to go to for that? Or should I just make a new thread asking for help walking through root/flash steps?

Thanks in advance.

Mikestony · Jan 20, 2014

ut_icedragon said:
Couple of curious questions:

In the process of flashing a ROM, you say to make a backup. Where is the backup saved? I ask because the next step is doing a factory wipe, and below you say the ROM can be stored on internal or external SD. I thought a factory wipe wipes all internal memory, including the internal SD card. Maybe I'm confusing the internal and external SD card definitions.

Second, you say you could walk someone though the steps of flashing a ROM. Does this also apply to rooting, and if so, is there a certian thread to go to for that? Or should I just make a new thread asking for help walking through root/flash steps?

Thanks in advance.

The nandroid backup can be saved to either internal or external. The reason I say either, is because at least in TWRP recovery, there is an option for the backup location.
And doing a factory reset in recovery before flashing a rom, will not wipe the internal card...i.e. pictures an music on the internal will not be affected.
So no worries there

And as far as rooting or flashing a rom, if you want help with that, you can start a new thread when ready and check out the sticky for rooting:
http://androidforums.com/verizon-ga...ot-root-list-utilities-roms-kernels-more.html

ut_icedragon · Jan 20, 2014

Mikestony said:
The nandroid backup can be saved to either internal or external. The reason I say either, is because at least in TWRP recovery, there is an option for the backup location.
And doing a factory reset in recovery before flashing a rom, will not wipe the internal card...i.e. pictures an music on the internal will not be affected.
So no worries there

And as far as rooting or flashing a rom, if you want help with that, you can start a new thread when ready and check out the sticky for rooting:
http://androidforums.com/verizon-ga...ot-root-list-utilities-roms-kernels-more.html

Okay cool.

As for that thread you linked, I have that saved in my favorites. Its my reading assignment for the week.

Mikestony · Jan 20, 2014

ut_icedragon said:
Okay cool.

As for that thread you linked, I have that saved in my favorites. Its my reading assignment for the week.

There will be a test on Friday.

ut_icedragon · Jan 20, 2014

Mikestony said:
There will be a test on Friday.

What is the difference between these two root guides?

[GUIDE] No-Wipe Jelly Bean Factory Images ***Final Update: 6/1/13*** - xda-developers

[GUIDE] Root for Jelly Bean 4.1.1 or 4.1.2 OTA ***UPDATED 5/29*** - xda-developers

I think the second one is rust a guide to root the phone and nothing else, correct? Does the second one wipe your phone in the process?

Mikestony · Jan 20, 2014

They do look similar yes...and I think you could go with either

FWIW, I used the second link to root back about a year ago:
[GUIDE] Root for Jelly Bean 4.1.1 or 4.1.2 OTA ***UPDATED 5/29*** - xda-developers
and did not lose any data

Others used the Casual One-Click method to root....that method came around later after I had already rooted. (I did end up using the One Click Method on my wife's Note 2 and was amazingly easy)

By the way, I'm going to move our posts over to your original thread here k?:
http://androidforums.com/verizon-ga...-root-s3-after-latest-jelly-update-4-3-a.html

ut_icedragon · Jan 20, 2014

By the way, I'm going to move our posts over to your original thread here k?:
http://androidforums.com/verizon-ga...-root-s3-after-latest-jelly-update-4-3-a.html

Ok

EDIT: ... and from the looks of it they are already here...:stupido2:

Mikestony · Jan 20, 2014

ut_icedragon said:
Ok

EDIT: ... and from the looks of it they are already here...:stupido2:

Yeah, I moved them after I posted and also sent you a pm

verizonuser13 · Jan 20, 2014

So if I do a factory reset it doesn't make my phone back to 4.1.2?? I could've swore it would

tensazan · Jan 21, 2014

verizonuser13 said:
So if I do a factory reset it doesn't make my phone back to 4.1.2?? I could've swore it would

Nope. If you took the ota for 4.3 you're must likely stuck there for a while.

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